Capt. Redblade Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Exactly my point my Harmonious half-wit! We cannot be sure of anything, however the puppet appears to have inside knowledge on the affairs of the undercover agents. Harmonious, maybe, but half-wit? Certainly not!
Professor Flitwick Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I myself once heard a tale of an island resort plagued by a mere four traitors. There may have been a pattern of five in times past, but how can we be sure Batman and the GCPD are following that pattern? 'Ow many where dere ova all? Yeah see, it's the job of da person in charge of da infiltrators ta make sure dat dey make up about one fifth of all da members. In dis case, us 24 would let as reasonable educate person da guess deres about five.
Capt. Redblade Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Harmonious, maybe, but half-wit? Certainly not! I'm so angry I can't even be bothered to colour my words properly!
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I- uh- what? Is the only reason your Riddles are unsolvable due to bad wording? Sheesh, I guess I have to spell it out for you, in that Heist we were originally told there were 5 bad guys, but when it ended, there were six bad guys. When is five actually six? When they change the rules without telling you of course! So it gives reason to believe that one can not know the number of bad guys, however you appear to know the number of bad guys. Therefore that makes me suspicious of you. Harmonious, maybe, but half-wit? Certainly not! You know I'm only joking, or riddling, or whatever. 'Ow many where dere ova all? Yeah see, it's the job of da person in charge of da infiltrators ta make sure dat dey make up about one fifth of all da members. In dis case, us 24 would let as reasonable educate person da guess deres about five. If you choose to dabble in guess work scarface, then please present it as such instead of trying to state it as fact.
Capt. Redblade Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 'Ow many where dere ova all? Yeah see, it's the job of da person in charge of da infiltrators ta make sure dat dey make up about one fifth of all da members. In dis case, us 24 would let as reasonable educate person da guess deres about five. And, if you must know, there were sixteen! So there! The Ventriloquist Is the man who must learn to do math So learn some basic algebra, Or it will be a bloodbath!
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I wonder how are pal Wesker over here already knows the number of Undercover agents we have to deal with? How else would he be able to make those conclusions. Please, do explain yourself. Interesting observation, Nygma! Yes, who would know the number of scum better than an agent? However, I don't think the scum would really want to give away their numbers this early in the game... of life. Also, Wesker and Pinocchio were arguing against a Day 1 lynch when they said that, but a conviction on Day 1, as much as I hate to admit it, is in the the favor of the scum. Good eye. This is a rather interesting turn of events. Have we already found our first Agent? Pengy, break out the champagne! Don't celebrate just yet, people. While I am suspicious of the Ventriloquist and his little doll, Nygma's accusations aren't quite enough for even a slightly-educated-guess. My master and I have been in situations like this before- Some of our guys thought dey could rat us out to da cops! We had 24 suspects, and five of them were infiltrators. Being the smart guy dat you are, I woulda thought dat ya woulda learn a thing or two about pattern recognition! That's true, sir. Riddler, didn't you once partake in a similar event recently, with similarly stacked numbers? That's true, and five scum does seem like a pretty reasonable guess considering that there are twenty-four of us. However, you acted like it was a concrete fact that there are five scum. That makes you look like you know something, and the only people who know anything this early in the game are the scum. How can you believe we can deduce any sort of pattern from two separate hesists? What happens in one hesit doesn't set a precedeant for all the rest. We can't think that everything is a carbon copy of the last. That's some bad reasoning for a supposed underworld mastermind. Although it's true that these games books are not always the same, they do often follow a sort of 'balance'. Generally, around 1/4 to 1/5 of the people are scum. So five is a pretty reasonable guess. Again, what has me worried is how concretely he said it.
Capt. Redblade Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Interesting observation, Nygma! Yes, who would know the number of scum better than an agent? However, I don't think the scum would really want to give away their numbers this early in the game... of life. Also, Wesker and Pinocchio were arguing against a Day 1 lynch when they said that, but a conviction on Day 1, as much as I hate to admit it, is in the the favor of the scum. And yet, no lynch equals a random kill, which nobody wants. If at all possible, we should keep Joker away from the weapons, so we must come to a consensus, however early in the day it may be.
Professor Flitwick Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Sheesh, I guess I have to spell it out for you, in that Heist we were originally told there were 5 bad guys, but when it ended, there were six bad guys. When is five actually six? When they change the rules without telling you of course! So it gives reason to believe that one can not know the number of bad guys, however you appear to know the number of bad guys. Therefore that makes me suspicious of you. Dey started out with five. Da sixth was converted, which is summat dat ain't always possible in dis sorta situation. If you choose to dabble in guess work scarface, then please present it as such instead of trying to state it as fact. I prefer the term hypothesising. At the time, we were all hypothesising about the pro's and con's of lynching a random person. I was using statistics we've all faced before to try and demonstrate a point. And, if you must know, there were sixteen! So there! Exactly, da numba of infiltrators is dependent on da numba of people ova all. Dere's more than sixteen people here, which obviously indicates dere's more dan four. The Ventriloquist Is the man who must learn to do math So learn some basic algebra, Or it will be a bloodbath! [/color] Wha? Ain' we talkin' 'bout fractions here? That's true, and five scum does seem like a pretty reasonable guess considering that there are twenty-four of us. However, you acted like it was a concrete fact that there are five scum. That makes you look like you know something, and the only people who know anything this early in the game are the scum. Although it's true that these games books are not always the same, they do often follow a sort of 'balance'. Generally, around 1/4 to 1/5 of the people are scum. So five is a pretty reasonable guess.[/color] Again, what has me worried is how concretely he said it. Again, just hypothesising using previously reliable knowledge to help form a conclusion on random lynchings.
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Although it's true that these games books are not always the same, they do often follow a sort of 'balance'. Generally, around 1/4 to 1/5 of the people are scum. So five is a pretty reasonable guess.[/color] Again, what has me worried is how concretely he said it. I see a mind such as your own can come to the same conclusions as myself. Although there may very well be 5 agents, the fact of the matter remains how Wesker was able to say concretely the number of undercover agents. I also agree that it may not be enough to condemn him for now.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 How can you believe we can deduce any sort of pattern from two separate hesists? What happens in one hesit doesn't set a precedeant for all the rest. We can't think that everything is a carbon copy of the last. That's some bad reasoning for a supposed underworld mastermind. I have a riddle for you, when is five actually six? If you can answer that then you can see even further evidence as to why you can't make ratios of survival like that without actually knowing the number of undercover agents from the beginning. Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe the great mind that is the Riddler has answered your first question. Now it's chilly and I think we need some firewood What is a hesist?!
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 What is a hesist?! OOC: I'm referring to a heist as a past mafia game and it would appear as though I spelled it wrong You know what a Heist is Zsaz, it's when you plan with other guys to steal something!
Capt. Redblade Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Wha? Ain' we talkin' 'bout fractions here? "Algebra" fits better with the tempo.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Sheez, these bunch of bozos talk a lot, why do I even find myself in the company of these goons? All I wanted was to have my damned TV show back on air , and now I'm gonna be involved in some nuke business?? Finding these undercover agents will be a tough task for sure, especially in our first day as we've only gathered together just now, unless someone has a suspicious slip-up... I wonder how are pal Wesker over here already knows the number of Undercover agents we have to deal with? How else would he be able to make those conclusions. Please, do explain yourself. There we go, something to look into. But we have to be mindful of our thoughts, they betray us. We have to search our feelings about this. Why am I suddenly talking like some sort of ancient space religion?
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 And yet, no lynch equals a random kill, which nobody wants. That's a good point, Music Meister. Wesker could have easily argued against a lynch in hopes that a random innocent would be killed. I see a mind such as your own can come to the same conclusions as myself. Although there may very well be 5 agents, the fact of the matter remains how Wesker was able to say concretely the number of undercover agents. I also agree that it may not be enough to condemn him for now. Glad to see you're finally talking sense. While it is suspicious that Wesker acted like it was set in stone that there are five scum, a slip of the tongue could happen to anyone. He may have meant that he thought there were five scum, but just forgot to add that last part.
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Glad to see you're finally talking sense. While it is suspicious that Wesker acted like it was set in stone that there are five scum, a slip of the tongue could happen to anyone. He may have meant that he thought there were five scum, but just forgot to add that last part. Was I not before? Obviously I had to have been if you came to the same conclusion. That is why I said that if he is going to use guess work like that then he should at least make it clear that he is making an educated guess.
Bob Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I wouldn't read too much into it. I doubt that an agent would slip up like that so early in the day. It's of course possible that he's an agent, but he was likely making a logical deduction that there's only five agents. Keep in mind, however, we still have plenty of time left in the day. The twenty-four hour mark hasn't even occurred yet, and we have seventy-two hours in the day. We shouldn't be hellbent on a person this early in the day. We should think logically and clearly before we cast our votes. It's unlikely we'll catch an agent, however it's obvious we don't have a choice. Time is still on our side everyone.
Tamamono Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Was I not before? Obviously I had to have been if you came to the same conclusion. That is why I said that if he is going to use guess work like that then he should at least make it clear that he is making an educated guess. I suppose I phrased that wrong. I meant that you weren't talking sense when you were going off about how you had 'solved the first question' and all that. While it's important for us to be proactive today (and all the other days, for that matter), we have to remember not to go down the route of thinking of ourselves as automatically right in our accusations.
Nightshroud99 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 You know what a Heist is Zsaz, it's when you plan with other guys to steal something! I don't steal! I kill But now that this is taken care of, we need to figure out who would be a good person to lynch, I'm itching for a mark, I need to FEEL it again. So far, I don't think we have anything to go on. Sure the wuss and his talking plank were speaking about numbers of piggies, but it's just a guess most likely. I wouldn't read too much into it. I doubt that an agent would slip up like that so early in the day. It's of course possible that he's an agent, but he was likely making a logical deduction that there's only five agents. I agree.
Brickdoctor Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Was I not before? Obviously I had to have been if you came to the same conclusion. That is why I said that if he is going to use guess work like that then he should at least make it clear that he is making an educated guess. I think it was rather obvious that it was an educated guess. I know I've made similar guesses and assumptions in past situations.
sok117 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I suppose I phrased that wrong. I meant that you weren't talking sense when you were going off about how you had 'solved the first question' and all that. While it's important for us to be proactive today (and all the other days, for that matter), we have to remember not to go down the route of thinking of ourselves as automatically right in our accusations. Thats just my obsession my friend, by all means I don't think a simple slip up is enough to condemn anyone yet.
Oky Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 I already know what I'd do with the money! Same here, my dear. I guess our goals are similar in that we both desire to nurture our beloved flowers. That is, if you are not one of the spies and are planning something much different with the money. So basically dey gonna nuke 'emselves? Ow lawd! Dey's even dumber den you! And dats saying summit! I must agree, my wooden companion. The world is full of fools who seek to destroy other peoples' lives. I am the living proof of that. I do like the sound of a nuclear winter though, and I need the money, so I am fine with this operation. In the meantime...strip club? If your visits to a strip club always end up like this, count me out.
Mrlegoninja Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Wow. I came at the right time. You guys are really mental...
WhiteFang Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 My gut feeling tells me that if we want and truly going for the conviction. We got to make it count and associate the one nearest to the possible agent. Normally, the hit rate of getting one is slim. We got to do something still, plus I also agreed on the 5 plus 1 possibility. It might be something worth noting. Damn it. My signal equipment is failing me soon. Going into radio silence.
badboytje88 Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Glad to see you're finally talking sense. While it is suspicious that Wesker acted like it was set in stone that there are five scum, a slip of the tongue could happen to anyone. He may have meant that he thought there were five scum, but just forgot to add that last part. Could be a slip up, but It also could mean that he's not thoroughly explaining himself because he thinks he is doing this heist with a team of professionals who would know how he got that number. Lets see how it works out. Same here, my dear. I guess our goals are similar in that we both desire to nurture our beloved flowers. That is, if you are not one of the spies and are planning something much different with the money. Oh no mister Freeze. I guess our books are on the same page. Flowers are the sweetest things God ever made, and forgot to put a soul into. I just want to correct that mistake.
XimenaPaulina Posted November 11, 2011 Posted November 11, 2011 Mr. Happy Head and I have been debating about this throughout the morning whether to tell this to you goonheads or not. But in the best interest of the criminals (town) and hoping that this could somehow help us in the long run, we have decided to make this revelation. When The Penguin and the Joker summoned me to join this, they know already that I am faithful and loyal to them and that I would never betray them, so they know 100% that I am NOT an undercover agent. Tomorrow, if I make it alive through the night, they will reveal to all of you that I am only a mere criminal like the most of you here. I know this is a bold "suicidal" move on my part, but here are the reasons why I'm doing this instead of just flying under the radar and being content in "surviving" the day: 1. One confirmed criminal is always good for the overall majority. And in this ordeal where there is a high level of distrust and paranoia, it would be helpful to the criminals to have at least one person to trust. 2. Anyone of you who has been given investigative abilities can pursue other possible target instead of wasting your investigation on me. 3. Having put myself in this precarious situation, I know these muthafuckin' undercover agents would most likely target to kill me tonight. So if anyone of us here have the protective ability and would like to have a higher chance of protecting someone, then you could consider me instead of taking a gamble on some other random dude, at least this way the protector is protecting one of his own which is a highly probable target for killing. Also, this would cast doubts on the scumbag's minds whether or not to kill me, knowing the protector has the option to protect me. Kill me or not? Am I protected tonight or vulnerable? Let the mindgames begin shitholes. 4. The most important thing of all is this gives the chance to those are truly concerned criminals to approach someone who they can trust, and it would be greatly advantageous to the criminal's cause if we work together as early as possible. So I suggest everyone to talk to me privately so we could discuss matters. Of course I would expect the scumbag agents to try and "be one of us", and would definitely make a move to infiltrate us, but let them do it at their own risk, I have my ways of detecting. This might also help us in finding out a possible lead for our vote today. I think this move is better than just sitting around and waiting for something to happen. 5. Making this revelation would somehow mess the minds of these scumbag undercover agents. They think they'll just sit comfortably behind the scenes and watch us scheme against each other. This would make them think twice and work doubly hard. Remember that the best way to weed out these scoundrels is for all of us to be proactive and let us make this difficult for them as it is for us. So that's it, I hope this would help us in one way or another. Should you have further questions, feel free to talk to me, whether publicly or privately, where you deem it's appropriate. And don't forget to bring some lollipop for Mr. Happy Head!
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