What If Battle : British Line VS Samurai

[- Spark -]

This will be a new seris called What If Battles? this is where i place Brittish line infantry against opponents they may have not encountered.

Story: The Brittish have deliberated and planned for many years about the attack and occupation of japan and have been givin the all clear by the king... who do you think will win?

Edited August 31, 2011 by - Spark -

[Sebeus I]

well, the samurai ofcourse, they may have not gunfire but they are swift well trained warriors, as long as they don't battle in open fields, as that is where the Brittish soldiers could use their cannons and rifles effectively

Nice pics.

[Big Cam]

I like the idea, but your pictures are a little fuzzy and the backdrop really takes away from the scene, a human sized window with flowers and plants outside is not a good backdrop for a battle.. I'd suggest building a small grassy area and then placing the battle in a studio for photographing, the studio can be as simple as a few pieces of white paper.

[- Spark -]

well, the samurai ofcourse, they may have not gunfire but they are swift well trained warriors, as long as they don't battle in open fields, as that is where the Brittish soldiers could use their cannons and rifles effectively

Nice pics.

Good Choice with the samurai! And i agree the Brittish would destroy them in open grounds.

I like the idea, but your pictures are a little fuzzy and the backdrop really takes away from the scene, a human sized window with flowers and plants outside is not a good backdrop for a battle.. I'd suggest building a small grassy area and then placing the battle in a studio for photographing, the studio can be as simple as a few pieces of white paper.

Thanks! and i will do my best on the next one with the background, i was in alittle rush and the table i would have used was occupied by something else

[Bart]

The British will win, although I doubt that the samurai will run out of fear like many of the British opponents in the rest of the world. But the British infantry will over run the samurai.

Bart

PS please edit your first post the writing is just horrible with all that capitals

[Erdbeereis]

PS please edit your first post the writing is just horrible with all that capitals

Please let the moderating team handle these matters in the future, as we usually discourage regular members telling others what to do. Thanks!

You are correct though. Spark, it would be a good idea to fix up your capitalization in the first post.

It looks like your photos are a little out of focus. Did you use your camera's macro mode?

[- Spark -]

The British will win, although I doubt that the samurai will run out of fear like many of the British opponents in the rest of the world. But the British infantry will over run the samurai.

Bart

PS please edit your first post the writing is just horrible with all that capitals

Thanks! yes the brittish do have an number advantage

Please let the moderating team handle these matters in the future, as we usually discourage regular members telling others what to do. Thanks!

You are correct though. Spark, it would be a good idea to fix up your capitalization in the first post.

It looks like your photos are a little out of focus. Did you use your camera's macro mode?

I will do that right now And im not too sure how to do that?

[kurigan]

Your entire concept is dubious at best. In what year did you set this? What subdivisions of either army are involved? Who is in command? Where does the battle take place?

In actuality the conflict between the old and new played out in 19th century Japan between the samurai and the new imperial army. The army won hands down. Proven technology and tactics of a superior nature took the samurai and their code of honor by storm. Because the samurai would not resort to guerrilla tactics, and though they had but out of date fire arms (the use of which they deemed less honorable) they lost their nation and became little more than show ponies. It’s a tragic story, but history if full of modern forces destroying indigenous, tribal cultures, by their own failure to adapt.

[kurigan]

Wow, I was pretty hard there, and I apologize for that, but my point is still valid. This sort of speculation can be an interesting distraction, but any time you’re playing with history it’s best to have all the facts worked out ahead of time. I suppose my initial attitude was brought on by the though “this doesn’t belong here”. Though I don’t wish to over step the bounds of my station, this seems it would be more at home in the historic forum, since it seems to have nothing to do with pirates. Again, sorry to be so harsh.

[- Spark -]

Your entire concept is dubious at best. In what year did you set this? What subdivisions of either army are involved? Who is in command? Where does the battle take place?

In actuality the conflict between the old and new played out in 19th century Japan between the samurai and the new imperial army. The army won hands down. Proven technology and tactics of a superior nature took the samurai and their code of honor by storm. Because the samurai would not resort to guerrilla tactics, and though they had but out of date fire arms (the use of which they deemed less honorable) they lost their nation and became little more than show ponies. It’s a tragic story, but history if full of modern forces destroying indigenous, tribal cultures, by their own failure to adapt.

Haha! very nice lesson I couldnt pin point and exact year because there from two complitly diffrent periods thats why its a what if? the Commander is the redcoat on the horse. its just a simple line infantry regiment (well Part of). The battle takes place in Japan of course!

Wow, I was pretty hard there, and I apologize for that, but my point is still valid. This sort of speculation can be an interesting distraction, but any time you’re playing with history it’s best to have all the facts worked out ahead of time. I suppose my initial attitude was brought on by the though “this doesn’t belong here”. Though I don’t wish to over step the bounds of my station, this seems it would be more at home in the historic forum, since it seems to have nothing to do with pirates. Again, sorry to be so harsh.

Well i thought that at first, which topic forum should i place this but yet again i looked at there subtitle and it said ''Pirates, Islanders, Armada, Napoleonic Wars, Age of Sail, Aztec, Maya, Inca, Pirates of the Caribbean'' and i will be foucsing on Brittish Line Infantry which to be comes under napoleon wars.

[LandShark]

I think it's slightly unfair that you've been getting mainly negative comments.

It's a very interesting concept, with lots of potential.

While the background is a bit distracting, it gives you something to improve on next time.

The different heads you used on the minifigures work very well, too. I wonder what the next battle will be? (British Vs Vikings, British Vs Robots, the list is endless )

Edited August 31, 2011 by LandShark

[- Spark -]

I think it's slightly unfair that you've been getting mainly negative comments.

It's a very interesting concept, with lots of potential.

While the background is a bit distracting, it gives you something to improve on next time.

The different heads you used on the minifigures work very well, too. I wonder what the next battle will be? (British Vs Vikings, British Vs Robots, the list is endless )

Thank you Landshark! Yes i will be adding a background on the next one i was alittle rushed today Ahh i already have the next What If Battle in mind

[Cpt. Tristan]

well, the samurai ofcourse, they may have not gunfire but they are swift well trained warriors, as long as they don't battle in open fields, as that is where the Brittish soldiers could use their cannons and rifles effectively

Nice pics.

Well actually there is a good chance the samurai could win, because in the early 1600's some Portugese explorers came to Japan and sold three muskets, which the Japanese reverse-engineered to create more. So in fact, depending on the period the Japanese military would have muskets.

Haha! very nice lesson I couldnt pin point and exact year because there from two complitly diffrent periods thats why its a what if? the Commander is the redcoat on the horse. its just a simple line infantry regiment (well Part of). The battle takes place in Japan of course!

Well actually the British were still setting up colonies in the 1600's (redcoat era), and the samurai were still around (according to Japan-Guide.com, they did use guns too) even though it was an era of peace. So you could have the Samurai and British fighting at the same time (same year, day, etc.) and the Samurai would have guns.

BTW a historical side note: there once was a battle in which a military leader had a group of gunmen divided into three lines. The front line would shoot through the gun slits in a wall and once they had, they would move to the back and reload while the second line came forward to shoot. The second row would do the same as the first and the third row would move up. This allowed a constant barrage of gunfire on the enemy, and the side that used this technique won.

[lightningtiger]

The Samurai would win, unless the British sends so many troops.....the Samurai fight to the death if they must and they both have guns and cannons so that takes those out of the equation !

Brick On Fight On !

[- Spark -]

View PostSebeus Iniwum, on 31 August 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

well, the samurai ofcourse, they may have not gunfire but they are swift well trained warriors, as long as they don't battle in open fields, as that is where the Brittish soldiers could use their cannons and rifles effectively

Nice pics.

Well actually there is a good chance the samurai could win, because in the early 1600's some Portugese explorers came to Japan and sold three muskets, which the Japanese reverse-engineered to create more. So in fact, depending on the period the Japanese military would have muskets.

View Post- Spark -, on 31 August 2011 - 11:36 AM, said:

Haha! very nice lesson I couldnt pin point and exact year because there from two complitly diffrent periods thats why its a what if? the Commander is the redcoat on the horse. its just a simple line infantry regiment (well Part of). The battle takes place in Japan of course!

Well actually the British were still setting up colonies in the 1600's (redcoat era), and the samurai were still around (according to Japan-Guide.com, they did use guns too) even though it was an era of peace. So you could have the Samurai and British fighting at the same time (same year, day, etc.) and the Samurai would have guns.

BTW a historical side note: there once was a battle in which a military leader had a group of gunmen divided into three lines. The front line would shoot through the gun slits in a wall and once they had, they would move to the back and reload while the second line came forward to shoot. The second row would do the same as the first and the third row would move up. This allowed a constant barrage of gunfire on the enemy, and the side that used this technique won.

Ahh i did not know that! Well when i thought up this battle i was thinking of the redcoats during the napoleonic era and the samurai between 1192 to 1867. So i guess they could have battled.

The Samurai would win, unless the British sends so many troops.....the Samurai fight to the death if they must and they both have guns and cannons so that takes those out of the equation !

Brick On Fight On !

Well i wouldnt have had enough lego pices or troop on bothsides to make the full scale battle so this is just like a cut scene to show you what i mean Its more a discusion and to get you thinking who would win?

Edited September 1, 2011 by - Spark -

[Tomcat RIO]

I quite like this small vignette and theme. Having studied Japanese Medieval History in high school years ago..

The Japanese samurai began arming themselves with arquebuses and muskets imported by the Dutch and Portuguese in the 15th century, both of whom were eager to gain favours with local daimyos, fief lords, and gain influence. Guns were used on all sides in the 100 years reunification war, where the Tokugawa Shogunate then banned the production of guns and confiscated them from the populace, closed its doors on foreigner trade(because of the gun sticks they brought)..

When Oliver Perry from the US Navy and the black ships went to Tokyo in 1850s, they were showing off their western guns to the Japanese whom they thought might not have seen guns before. The shogunate and daimyos brought out their troves of ancient arquebuses and cannons in reply..

Since the Meiji Restoration in 1868, the new imperial army was modernized on Western armies, with guns being standard equipment. Pockets of resistant samurai held off in the southern islands, until they were defeated as well. Watch Tom Cruise's Last Samurai..

If the British redcoats were to have fought the samurai, it would have well been in the 1800s! With Pith helmets like those deployed to India and the tropics..

I think if you could take the pictures against a plain background it will be nice, I too have just built a Samurai ship (Atakebune) on this forum, have a similar idea to yours but pitting them against bluecoats.

Keep on brickin' !

[- Spark -]

I quite like this small vignette and theme. Having studied Japanese Medieval History in high school years ago..

The Japanese samurai began arming themselves with arquebuses and muskets imported by the Dutch and Portuguese in the 15th century, both of whom were eager to gain favours with local daimyos, fief lords, and gain influence. Guns were used on all sides in the 100 years reunification war, where the Tokugawa Shogunate then banned the production of guns and confiscated them from the populace, closed its doors on foreigner trade(because of the gun sticks they brought)..

When Oliver Perry from the US Navy and the black ships went to Tokyo in 1850s, they were showing off their western guns to the Japanese whom they thought might not have seen guns before. The shogunate and daimyos brought out their troves of ancient arquebuses and cannons in reply..

Since the Meiji Restoration in 1868, the new imperial army was modernized on Western armies, with guns being standard equipment. Pockets of resistant samurai held off in the southern islands, until they were defeated as well. Watch Tom Cruise's Last Samurai..

If the British redcoats were to have fought the samurai, it would have well been in the 1800s! With Pith helmets like those deployed to India and the tropics..

I think if you could take the pictures against a plain background it will be nice, I too have just built a Samurai ship (Atakebune) on this forum, have a similar idea to yours but pitting them against bluecoats.

Keep on brickin' !

Ah well thank you for awnsering the question about the samurais fire power But who do you think would win?

[Tomcat RIO]

Ah well thank you for awnsering the question about the samurais fire power But who do you think would win?

Hehehe.. I think historically speaking the Redcoat British woulda won, since they probably had 200 years more to hone field tactics and weapons to conquer Pax Britannia, defeat Napoleon, race against other European military powers, lessons learnt from the American revolution etc etc..., whilst the Japanese had relative peace for about 200 years from 1600s to 1800s.. Moreover, Japan had no Navy to speak of in these years, where the Royal Navy was nigh at her prime. They could coastal bombard Edo and Tokyo to bricks and tiles.

In LEGO however, your imagination makes anything possible! Ninjas in the dead of night stealthily kill the best British officers, and scream Ninjago!!! and whirl around the panicking redocats.

[Bjornu]

Hmm, a weird post I can see

Whats next, Pirates vs Aliens ?

Altough it's a fun idea, I think the Samurai win!

[- Spark -]

Hehehe.. I think historically speaking the Redcoat British woulda won, since they probably had 200 years more to hone field tactics and weapons to conquer Pax Britannia, defeat Napoleon, race against other European military powers, lessons learnt from the American revolution etc etc..., whilst the Japanese had relative peace for about 200 years from 1600s to 1800s.. Moreover, Japan had no Navy to speak of in these years, where the Royal Navy was nigh at her prime. They could coastal bombard Edo and Tokyo to bricks and tiles.

In LEGO however, your imagination makes anything possible! Ninjas in the dead of night stealthily kill the best British officers, and scream Ninjago!!! and whirl around the panicking redocats.

True the Brittish were use to fighting in there style for many years! And yes in Lego anything is possible

Hmm, a weird post I can see

Whats next, Pirates vs Aliens ?

Altough it's a fun idea, I think the Samurai win!

I thought i would try something diffrent

Thanks glad you like it and yes that could be a possibility

[LEGOMAN132]

Very cool I like the fuzzy/blurry pics makes it look like a cameraman is running along with them.

[- Spark -]

Very cool I like the fuzzy/blurry pics makes it look like a cameraman is running along with them.

thanks, that was kind of the effect i was going for on a couple of them,

[rloesberg]

put the British in a square formation and they will probably win the battle ;-)

[- Spark -]

put the British in a square formation and they will probably win the battle ;-)

True! but that was only effective against Cav