The Coming Darkness - Day Four

[robuko]

I am going to do some guarding.

Town, please do not use witness cards on the Otko case, I have shown that all 3 clues are good.

It might be worth using them on the Roweena case, as they could lead us to either a killer or a liar.

Remember, we just have to vote together

For now,

Proxy Camanakin

[badboytje88]

My my my what has been happening. Looks like I overslept. I don't like to be accused of something I'm not. I am town and have been with the town this entire time. Therefor I will investigate the murder of Roweena.

[Rumble Strike]

I admit that perhaps my voting action yesterday could be seen as irratic. It felt like it was late into the night before the investigation happened and my thoughts were clouded. I honestly believed that the second Flutwuck clue which had not been verified would reveal more people as suspects. However Robanakin's deductions were much better than mine and he analysed the clues more thoroughly. I know that makes me look suspicious, but that is the honest truth.

I was hopeful that we would get the chance at an investigation that would clear my name and prove conlusively that Mugg is scum. I know this for a fact but he is a highly skilled Dark One and has managed to look less suspicious. However there was the

matter of offering to show his clues so that his fellow Dark Ones could claim the conviction. I think that is the only slip up he has made.

I actually agree that the evidence against us is much more solid than any of the evidence shown today and I think we should be voting to lynch myself or Mugg. I would normally be happy to die for the Town cause but if I interpret things correctly this lynching is crucial. I hope Mugg trips himself up today because otherwise it does look bad for me. I do not know what else I will be able to do to convince my fellow Town that I am with them and have always had the Town's interests at heart.

[def]

Vote Tally:

Ms. Le Goninja/Mrlegoninja 1 (CallMePieOrDie)

Bananakin 2 (sok117, Mrlegoninja)

Proxy votes:

Camanakin/Big Cam 1 (Robuko)

A bit more than 13 hours in the day.

[badboytje88]

The person I saw fleeing the crime was a woman. So that was my clue for Roweena's murder.

The same clue as Le Goninja got. Only slightly different... So she was either truthful but slightly changed the wording of her clue. Or she made up the clue and had a lucky guess.

Roweena Karnata

The person fleeing was a woman. (Le Goninja)

The person fleeing the crime was a woman. (Womanakin)

The killer was wearing mostly white. (Shenanikin)

The killer had blue eyes. (Shenanikin)

Addy Kupp

Mistress Kupp

So, no clues for the Kupp families murders

[Bob]

My last card, I'd like to investigate the murder of Mistress Kupp. I'm rather surprised no one has investigated the murders of my family.

[Mrlegoninja]

The person I saw fleeing the crime was a woman. So that was my clue for Roweena's murder.

The same clue as Le Goninja got. Only slightly different... So she was either truthful but slightly changed the wording of her clue. Or she made up the clue and had a lucky guess.

Roweena Karnata

The person fleeing was a woman. (Le Goninja)

The person fleeing the crime was a woman. (Womanakin)

The killer was wearing mostly white. (Shenanikin)

The killer had blue eyes. (Shenanikin)

Addy Kupp

Mistress Kupp

So, no clues for the Kupp families murders

Yes, that was my clue. I just didn't want to copy the exact words in my post.

[sok117]

Well, I'm back from my sleep, and it seems that I can now chat it up with the one I am accusing.

Seriously? You guys believe that after three days of lynches where the cards led us to two suspects, today they'll lead us to one? That alone to me seems to disprove your theory.

Well, I already answered this when Scotty brought it up, so I should let you go dig it up, but I'll make it easy on you and just restate my theory. It would appear as though the clues are set in stone before the actual crimes take place. And the clues will always leave us with more then one person because we all bear striking resemblances to one or more people, but, I believe that now that our numbers have dwindled, the clues make the case easier, the same thing happened yesterday with flutwicks death, to a certain extent. One of the clues did nothing for the case, however if there were more suspects still alive, the clue would have been more useful. It is my belief that when Bananikin killed someone, Flutwick would be the second suspect at the end of all three clues, however, Flutwick is dead, and thus there is only one person who is woman, wearing mostly white, and has blue eyes. My theory may not be correct, however, the clues don't lie.

I got time to finally read listen to all the stuff you guys said, and I find it most interesting that the only ones accusing me appear not to be confirmed Townies...

Confirmed townies is such a flimsy phrase, how can we ever know someones true allegiance unless their dead and burried, you see, scum could easily investigate scum and say they are town, its an easy way for the scum to secure trust, by brandishing the title of "confirmed townie". However, I do not believe there is such a thing as a confirmed townie in these games, one must look at these events from all possible angles, and the angle I'm looking at, coincides with the clues I have received.

The way I see it, (and I realize I might be repeating what others have already said, but I've been out, missed three-odd pages of talk, and need to get it written down sitting before me) we had two crimes Yesterday. Both were Witnessed thoroughly. One was solved, the other has three clues, two from confirmed Townies (Mistress Kupp and Scotty), and one from me. Among those clues, we have the suspect list down to two.

However, I believe that my suspect list is down to one, but, that suspect is you and will therefore not want to dwell on the rowena case any longer. Once again you say confirmed townies, however I believe that you are scum. And I also believe that you will use the Crime of yesterday to tip the odds in your favour because its a 50/50 vote, you know as well as I that no member in that suspect list has acted very suspicious since yesterdays case, it would be very easy for you, the trusted player to just start a vote against one, have your scum friends agree and casually drop their votes in, next you'd have the town follow you, and all the pieces will fall into place.

There should be no reason to continue where we left off. The only way the evidence could be wrong is if either Robanakin or myself is scum.

Okay, I'm going to assume for that first sentence that you meant "there should be no reason to not continue where we left off". I believe we shouldn't because I believe you to be scum, thats practically the biggest hint right there.

They head off with their own clues, playing Witness cards where the Town doesn't need to. Those clues then somehow lead straight to one person, even though all previous sets of clues always led to two. And the one person happens to be a weak point in Yesterday's evidence. No Townie would start off pursuing a new scum when an old one is almost caught, especially since in this situation we can only kill one a Day.

The reason I started to persue a new scum is because I didn't feel comfortable voting for either members of yesterdays case, although the clues lead to them, neither seemed more suspicious then the other, we already supposedly have all the "confirmed clues" and I can't make a decision as to which is guilty and which is innocent, so I started looking for clues in a different direction, sue me.

And the only reason a scum would try to pull the Town away from a path is if they can tell that the path the Town is currently on is heading towards a scum. Therefore, we can infer from the actions of some that either Mugg Kupp or Ram Strut is probably scum.

Well, I already told you why I've started a new path, but I quite admire your choice of wording, "infer from the actions of some that either Mugg Kupp or Ram Strut is probably scum". What do you mean "probably scum" we got all the clues, didn't we? They were all by "confirmed townies", weren't they? Why would either Mugg Kupp or Ram Strut probably be scum? With all the evidence against them, one of them is definitely scum. I guess I could infer from that choice wording, that neither of them are scum. However, I will assume you are still correct and give you the benefit of the doubt, however, that will not change the warpath I have already set out.

Furthermore, the only reason scum would suddenly start accusing with fishy 'evidence' as their reasons is if they're panicking. If they weren't panicking, they would slowly build up the case against a Townie with plausible information, sowing distrust and biding their time until they could move in for the kill.

wow, thats quite a gameplan you have! Slowly building up yesterdays case, check. Sowing distrust, hmm, theres a lack of that, but if you mean the fact that I distrust you, then check. Moving in for the kill, well I for one hope theres none of that! I'm so glad our "confirmed townie" is an expert in scum tactics!

The only reason the scum would be panicking is if they know that they are on the verge of defeat. If they're panicking because they know they're on the verge of defeat, and in that panic trying to distract the Town from the progress they had previously made, it's even more reason for the Town to stay concentrated on said previous progress.

Hey, if the town wants to take a supposed 50/50 shot in the dark, then by all means go for it, but If they want to get a solid 100% kill, then I would advise to use the last witness cards up on Rowenas case. Once they get word from the witnesses, it will be clear who the killer is (it's Bananikin )

whew, okay, now that was a lot of writing.

[Big Cam]

Wow, we got hammered last night. 3 more town deaths!!! I'm shocked.

Sorry for being absent for almost half of this day, damn time zones.

So I've read over what has been discussed so far this day, and I'm very suspicious of sok117 and Mr.Legoninja becasue Bananakin has been a loyal townie for 3 days now, supporting our group votes adn even prooving a townies innocense. I'll admit anything is possible but if he was dark, I can't see a plan that invloves protecting Toenies and killing dark ones

With that said I am suspicious of the clues pointing towards Bananakin, so I want to use my last card on the Roweena Karnata murder partially to verify but 5 clues on one murder seems like overkill. I am pretty sure Scotty Pie is with me on this line of thought, that Bananakin is town.

Therefore I think it'd be best to use my card for Mistress Kupp since that would make 2 for that murder. I want to know what bananakin and Scotty thin of this.

As for focusing on Craig'd murder, I think that makes no sense. We already have all these clues for today's crimes, and maybe 2 or 3 cards left to use? Why waste them on duplicate clues. Every time we get 3 clues, and then dupes of those, it's not worth our valuable witness cards on this last day.

[Mrlegoninja]

[quote name='sok117' date='16 July 2011 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1310830946' post='1028960'

Hey, if the town wants to take a supposed 50/50 shot in the dark, then by all means go for it, but If they want to get a solid 100% kill, then I would advise to use the last witness cards up on Rowenas case. Once they get word from the witnesses, it will be clear who the killer is (it's Bananikin )

whew, okay, now that was a lot of writing.

I agree. Another person has proved my clue, and if someone else decides to use a witness card , the casket for Bananakin can be sealed.

[Rumble Strike]

Bubb, the reason no-one is investigating your family murders is simple - we don't have that many witness cards remaining to us, so it is worth doublechecking what we do have rather than going off and finding fresh evidence that we cannot corroborate.

I know I am a suspect still, but I would also like to play my last witness card. I think the Roweena case is the most interesting as the clues have the possibility of being tampered with by the Dark Ones. If we can verify all 3, that would go some way to proving things.

I do agree with the argument that some clues are now pointing at only one person, due to the amount of deaths so far it would be hard to keep finding 2 possible suspects with all 3 cards used. However, that may mean it is worth investigating the other murders if we can narrow it down easier now.

[Big Cam]

Well, I recieved my clue. The person fleeing was a woman.

I know I am town, and I trust that Bananakin is town, so I Vote: Womanakin Skywalker/ Badboytje88

Being that you are a woman it seems like you used this to single out Bananakin, whom almost everyone agrees is trustworthy, adn likely Town.

I got my clue for Rowena's murder

"The killer was wearing mostly white"

That leaves Mrs. Le Goninja or Bananikin. I have an odd inkling that perhaps Bananikin is a Dark One. I know that she has done a whole lot for this town, but I can't help wondering why she hasn't been killed already. She is a great player that I would believe that she would be an easy target that the dark ones would eliminate. It's just a feeling, but its slowly creeping over me. I await the other clues desperatly. I will hold onto my other witness card until we can get some more information, specifically Mrs. Le Goninjas clue.

Okay, so in the time it took me to think up my speech, the other clue has surfaced. I'm kinda sceptical about this clue, because that coupled with my clue, doesn't do anything to help narrow down the killers.

The list remains the same and I still retain that feeling that Bananikan is possibly the killer, but I may just be over thinking.

See by posting this clue, you again single out Le Goninja and Bananakin. I think you and Le Goninja are conspiring together, because later you'll post a 3rd clue pointing at Bananakin, hence clearing your friend Le Goninja

Bananakin is the scum. He made the perfect cover, helping the town so that he could cover for himself. If someone can play a third witness card we will know that Bananakin is scum. So, I Unvote: Womanakin.

Please explain to me a scum plan that involves saving a town member and helping to vote off 3 scum???? Regardless of your theories, even if by crazy some chance Bananakin was dark, he's be the worst dark player ever, and if that was the case, I'd be happy to have him on my team, if he keeps killing dark ones with me.

Well, with less and less people alive there will be less suspsects, duh! Haven't you noticed that we all share striking resemblances with one another? It means that the clues were meant to be so that several others would be in the same boat as the killer, but for instance, with this bought of clues, Flutwick would be the second person that we would have at the end of all our clues, but shes dead! So consequently the clues have dwindled the suspects down to one! which is a bloody good thing! By all means, lets wait until we get more people with witness cards, and just throw them all at this one murder, and therefore we will see that I am right and you are wrong!

And your second point doesn't make any sense, my two clues alone give me all the evidence I need to cote for Bananikin,

my clues

wearing mostly white

blue eyes

how the hell is Womanikin in the same boat? I'm not in tune with the latest fashion trends, but red is bloody well no the new white now your really just being stupid. I can't even understand your logic anymore. Womanikin is a woman, hence the name, why should she not be included in Le Go's clue of "the killer was a woman", I know she isn't the killer because shes not wearing mostly white, stupid.

Very clever, there are two female suspects in white, and your third clue is the tipping point, sending speculation towards Bananakin, which I might add you two were suspicious of well before the clues came in.

Yes, I'm saying those 2 clues could both be falsified by you, giving you an excuse to vote for Bananakin.

Sorry, I thought Le Goninja gave the white clothing clue.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with scum. I don't see how it could be any more obvious you are.

Yes, I agree, Bananakin and Camanakin should be here, I want to hear their thoughts.

I agree with the possibility of these clues being falsified, more so just the blue eye one.

The only card I`m believing today is Camanakin`s.

My only question at this stage is:

is it better to go on what we know, which gives us Ram or Mugg, and probably Ram eg it is a 50/50 with a strong bias on behaviour on day 3 to make me think it`s Ram; or

should we just vote on behaviour on day 4, knowing we have either a 4/6 or 5/6 chance of convicting scum eg the odds are a bit higher to start with?

Since we can only vote one person a day, lets just go with what we have from today. There were more than 3 witness cards played on Craigs murder adn we started getting duplicate clues, so why waste the time.

[sok117]

Wow, we got hammered last night. 3 more town deaths!!! I'm shocked.

Sorry for being absent for almost half of this day, damn time zones.

So I've read over what has been discussed so far this day, and I'm very suspicious of sok117 and Mr.Legoninja becasue Bananakin has been a loyal townie for 3 days now, supporting our group votes adn even prooving a townies innocense. I'll admit anything is possible but if he was dark, I can't see a plan that invloves protecting Toenies and killing dark ones

With that said I am suspicious of the clues pointing towards Bananakin, so I want to use my last card on the Roweena Karnata murder partially to verify but 5 clues on one murder seems like overkill. I am pretty sure Scotty Pie is with me on this line of thought, that Bananakin is town.

Therefore I think it'd be best to use my card for Mistress Kupp since that would make 2 for that murder. I want to know what bananakin and Scotty thin of this.

As for focusing on Craig'd murder, I think that makes no sense. We already have all these clues for today's crimes, and maybe 2 or 3 cards left to use? Why waste them on duplicate clues. Every time we get 3 clues, and then dupes of those, it's not worth our valuable witness cards on this last day.

Please use your witness card on Rowenas murder. It will help us to clear up everything

[Mrlegoninja]

You can't prove any clues are false or true or anything unless you play a witness cardd.

Womanakin got the same clue as I did. So that means we are both lying?

[Big Cam]

I agree. Another person has proved my clue, and if someone else decides to use a witness card , the casket for Bananakin can be sealed.

I am convinced you and Sok117 are scum, so I'll see what comes up, I feel I need to prove his innocence. This might be a questionable move, but with many people waiting to believe what I say, and not enough cards to make a case against another crime, I feel this is a wise move. My only fear is I get the white clothing clue which will proove pointless, it's the blue eye clue I want to verify. Should I do this?

You can't prove any clues are false or true or anything unless you play a witness cardd.

Womanakin got the same clue as I did. So that means we are both lying?

I don't think you are lying, I think Sok117 is lying to protect you.

[Rumble Strike]

Camanakin, if there is a pattern to the cards that we have identified (which we believe there is), then I will use mine to ensure you get the clue we want to verify. That way my card does not go to waste and it's not a vital piece of evidence (as I am under suspicion).

[Brickdoctor]

Well, I already answered this when Scotty brought it up, so I should let you go dig it up, but I'll make it easy on you and just restate my theory. It would appear as though the clues are set in stone before the actual crimes take place. And the clues will always leave us with more then one person because we all bear striking resemblances to one or more people, but, I believe that now that our numbers have dwindled, the clues make the case easier, the same thing happened yesterday with flutwicks death, to a certain extent. One of the clues did nothing for the case, however if there were more suspects still alive, the clue would have been more useful. It is my belief that when Bananikin killed someone, Flutwick would be the second suspect at the end of all three clues, however, Flutwick is dead, and thus there is only one person who is woman, wearing mostly white, and has blue eyes. My theory may not be correct, however, the clues don't lie.

Okay, this is metagaming, but does anyone here really think that god would give someone clues leading people to one suspect, making the choice for a lynch only be one person, and by doing that hand the Town a victory? It could be set in stone, but if it were, it would be some seriously unfair game mechanics.

Confirmed townies is such a flimsy phrase, how can we ever know someones true allegiance unless their dead and burried, you see, scum could easily investigate scum and say they are town, its an easy way for the scum to secure trust, by brandishing the title of "confirmed townie". However, I do not believe there is such a thing as a confirmed townie in these games, one must look at these events from all possible angles, and the angle I'm looking at, coincides with the clues I have received.

Fine. Don't call them confirmed Townies. I'll say it this way: "I find it interesting that everyone accusing me appears to have less reason to be considered a Townie than a good portion of the remaining players."

However, I believe that my suspect list is down to one, but, that suspect is you and will therefore not want to dwell on the rowena case any longer. Once again you say confirmed townies, however I believe that you are scum. And I also believe that you will use the Crime of yesterday to tip the odds in your favour because its a 50/50 vote, you know as well as I that no member in that suspect list has acted very suspicious since yesterdays case, it would be very easy for you, the trusted player to just start a vote against one, have your scum friends agree and casually drop their votes in, next you'd have the town follow you, and all the pieces will fall into place.

That depends entirely on the supposed fact that your clues are true.

Okay, I'm going to assume for that first sentence that you meant "there should be no reason to not continue where we left off". I believe we shouldn't because I believe you to be scum, thats practically the biggest hint right there.

I did mean that, sorry.

So it's a hint that I'm scum that I want to pick up where we left off? If your clues led us to a suspect list of two, of which one was myself, I'd have no problem following them. But as it is, your clues suspiciously lead to only one person, and since I know that person is a Townie, of course I don't want to follow that path. It's not about danger to myself. It's about catching someone who actually is scum.

The reason I started to persue a new scum is because I didn't feel comfortable voting for either members of yesterdays case, although the clues lead to them, neither seemed more suspicious then the other, we already supposedly have all the "confirmed clues" and I can't make a decision as to which is guilty and which is innocent, so I started looking for clues in a different direction, sue me.

I find that understandable.

Well, I already told you why I've started a new path, but I quite admire your choice of wording, "infer from the actions of some that either Mugg Kupp or Ram Strut is probably scum". What do you mean "probably scum" we got all the clues, didn't we? They were all by "confirmed townies", weren't they? Why would either Mugg Kupp or Ram Strut probably be scum? With all the evidence against them, one of them is definitely scum. I guess I could infer from that choice wording, that neither of them are scum. However, I will assume you are still correct and give you the benefit of the doubt, however, that will not change the warpath I have already set out.

'Probably' because there is a very very very very small chance they are. If both Scotty and Burrito were scum and Robanakin lied, the clues would be tainted. Besides, like you said, there's no such thing as a truly confirmed Townie, remember?

wow, thats quite a gameplan you have! Slowly building up yesterdays case, check. Sowing distrust, hmm, theres a lack of that, but if you mean the fact that I distrust you, then check. Moving in for the kill, well I for one hope theres none of that! I'm so glad our "confirmed townie" is an expert in scum tactics!

Firstly, remember that I've been scum in situations such as these before. I was for a short time a Communist spy in a small town. Secondly, you can't win a war if you don't anticipate the enemy's moves. Besides, who did I build up a case against Yesterday? Burrito. Who is not alive anymore. And who was scum.

[Big Cam]

Camanakin, if there is a pattern to the cards that we have identified (which we believe there is), then I will use mine to ensure you get the clue we want to verify. That way my card does not go to waste and it's not a vital piece of evidence (as I am under suspicion).

Sounds good.

[Mrlegoninja]

Besides, like you said, there's no such thing as a truly confirmed Townie, remember?

Exactly. When someone makes accusations against scum like you, people like Cam come up and say 'He's definetly town' . But there's no such thing as a truly confirmed townie?

[Rumble Strike]

OK, I have gone through the clues list for Roweena's murder and I think the next one is the "Mostly white clothes" one. So I shall play my last Witness card to confirm that so Camanakin can confirm the most important 3rd clue.

I would like to investigate Roweena's murder.

[Brickdoctor]

Exactly. When someone makes accusations against scum like you, people like Cam come up and say 'He's definetly town' . But there's no such thing as a truly confirmed townie?

But there is such a thing as someone who is very likely Townie.

OK, I have gone through the clues list for Roweena's murder and I think the next one is the "Mostly white clothes" one. So I shall play my last Witness card to confirm that so Camanakin can confirm the most important 3rd clue.

[snip]

I would like to investigate Roweena's murder.

Just remember you can't request a specific clue.

[Big Cam]

Just remember you can't request a specific clue.

True, we are just hoping.

[Rumble Strike]

That may have read like a request, but it wasn't. I was explaining my reasoning behind why I am doing it, and then just asking for a clue to the murder. I did not request a specific clue.

[Brickdoctor]

That may have read like a request, but it wasn't. I was explaining my reasoning behind why I am doing it, and then just asking for a clue to the murder. I did not request a specific clue.

Oh, okay, I see that now. My bad.

[Rumble Strike]

It's OK, I was also clarifying for God the witness too, hopefully!