LDD Community Build?

[ADHO15]

It's absolutely possible... I didn't read the whole topic!

I think it is better and simpler than using private message, however.

But surely that means more chaotic. What happens if multiple people post at the same time? I'm sure there would be issues of people not paying attention and adding to the model at the same time. Without a host, it'll be especially difficult to manage these issues.

[Brickdoctor]

You could also do a tag system, where the builder finishes and then chooses the next builder, but it means that newbies will probably get a lot less build time than others.

I think we should probably start with something like a normal City, since everyone can build onto that. And instead of a piece limitation, I'd do something like 'everyone can build buildings on one 32x32 baseplate, and you must have x-amount of sidewalk, road, etc. on the borders'.

A good thing to take into account might be the speed of peoples computers; everyone could post their hardware specs so that the builders with faster machines build last and therefore get the larger models that need faster computers to edit.

Either way, count me in.

[Calabar]

But surely that means more chaotic. What happens if multiple people post at the same time? I'm sure there would be issues of people not paying attention and adding to the model at the same time. Without a host, it'll be especially difficult to manage these issues.

I think there will be not confusion: the post order is an incontestable referee: the writer of the post immediately following the one of the user who shares again the file is the only one who can take it!

The forum can't write two post "simultaneously".

[ADHO15]

You could also do a tag system, where the builder finishes and then chooses the next builder, but it means that newbies will probably get a lot less build time than others.

I think we should probably start with something like a normal City, since everyone can build onto that. And instead of a piece limitation, I'd do something like 'everyone can build buildings on one 32x32 baseplate, and you must have x-amount of sidewalk, road, etc. on the borders'.

A good thing to take into account might be the speed of peoples computers; everyone could post their hardware specs so that the builders with faster machines build last and therefore get the larger models that need faster computers to edit.

Either way, count me in.

Thats sounds exactly like a normal community build.

Posting PC specs means it's getting too complicated. A simple 50-part limit makes everything much more simple.

I think there will be not confusion: the post order is an incontestable referee: the writer of the post immediately following the one of the user who shares again the file is the only one who can take it!

The forum can't write two post "simultaneously".

I guess so, but not everyone looks once they've posted. I know I'm being picky, but someone could just post to say they're next and immediately start on the model, not knowing somebody else posted while they were writing. It happens more often than you'd think!

Edited November 4, 2010 by ADHO15

[prateek]

Thats sounds exactly like a normal community build.

Posting PC specs means it's getting too complicated. A simple 50-part limit makes everything much more simple.

Then people with crappy computers should go closer to the start of this build, so their computers have less bricks to handle.

[Brickdoctor]

Then people with crappy computers should go closer to the start of this build, so their computers have less bricks to handle.

What I said.

[Superkalle]

I don't think we should aim for such massive builds that our computers can't handle it

I think the aim should somehow be that the finished model should be possible to build with physcial bricks. So if we set a target of 3000 bricks, then we just have do divide it with the number of participants to see how many bricks each of us get

Anyway, ADHO15 volunteered and is now Moderator for this first shot at a relay community build. I think he will have the build up and running in a day or two.

[thatLDDguy]

Count me in aswell. I think if we use a mix of a couple of them it should work pretty well

My Idea

we have at least one moderator, and a list of maximum of 30 builders(just so people with slow or slower computers are able to help)

Have the builder check in and out the model.

And along with some of your other ideas this could be PERFECT!

[XimenaPaulina]

Interesting! I would like to participate, count me in!

[Bojan Pavsic]

Well, very nice idea, count me in too!

[private_lego]

I guess there are some possible ways:

1. Moderator controlled relay

The topic moderator creates a list of builders

The topic moderator PM's out the LXF-file to the first person in line. When that person is done, he mails it back to the moderator, who mails it to next etc.

2. Semi-structured

The topic moderator creates a list of builders

First person post an LXF in the topic. The next person in the list downloads, builds, and then uploads in the topic. BAsically same as 1) above, but without PM/Mail involved.

3. Crazy-time

No list of builders is created. First person posts an LXF. Then whoever sees it grabs it by posting "Checked out by NN". After he's done, the next person can "check it out" and so on.

1. Is the most structured solution. In this way you can controle the flow and prevent that the project dies quickly. Mail with read acknowledgement.

2. Should also work with a small group

3. Will be chaotic. But as an experiment it is worth to try it as a second line, and see what will be the result compared to option 1.

Create a seperate file for each step by adding a number after the file name. This way nothing gets lost and you can see it grow.

Possibly start more than one line. A free theme and fixed themes

Put a deadline for building to prevent that it take weeks. Lets say 3 days. That should be enough for 50 or 100 bricks

Build in standard or Universal mode?

I want to participate in this adventure.

Edited November 5, 2010 by private_lego

[Calabar]

I guess so, but not everyone looks once they've posted. I know I'm being picky, but someone could just post to say they're next and immediately start on the model, not knowing somebody else posted while they were writing. It happens more often than you'd think!

But the rules will be not: "post and take the file" but "verify your post is the following and than take the file". No chance of confusing about that.

Besides there will be an implicit double check: other users can clearly see who is the user from who they should expect to receive the file, so if another user take his own wrong initiative they could auto-manage that situation.

I think this method is not only easy to manage, but faster too: no need that a moderator manage the passage of the file. Besides the file would be available to all users immediately, if someone want it for some reason.

So, my "vote" is for this method, but that's not really important: any method will be chosen, it will be ok.

Another aspect could be those related to the starting model:

- who starts? Ever the same user (the moderator) or another user?

- what about theme? Free theme or a theme decided before starting to build? The "risk" in the firs case is the risk that a user insert in his creation some specific bricks in order to force the project in a specific theme: in this situation, I think it is better if the theme is decide before.

[alienwar9]

I think for the next relay we should try the artzy random build (testing one of the different forms of passing along the model), and the one after that, some fun modular or scenic moc that can use lots of minifigs(using whichever form has worked the best).

I for one think that the artzy random build could be started concurrently with the relay CC build now, since it doesn't take much effort to run it. I'd love to moderate it, but unfortunately I know I would not have the free time to be prompt with that.

What say you all?

anyone willing to moderate this one?

Edited November 5, 2010 by alienwar9

[Superkalle]

I think for the next relay we should try the artzy random build (testing one of the different forms of passing along the model), and the one after that, some fun modular or scenic moc that can use lots of minifigs(using whichever form has worked the best).

What say you all?

anyone willing to moderate this one?

Good idea and no problem with me. I think we can handle running two concurrent RCB:s, so let's go

Maybe this RCB can work even withour moderator. First person just throws out the start. Then however posts next "checkes it out". Once done, check it in to the forum (with link to your file sharing account, no image since we don't want to spoil the fun) and anyone else can grab it. After some time (or number of iteraions), let's close the topic, and whatever is then, is the final artwork.

Proposals for rules:

1) Don't add to many bricks. How about max 75

2) Only bricks in colors made by LEGO can be used.

3) Avoid messing up what your peers before you have done.

The topic is closed whenever the following is reached first:

a) 10 days

b) 20 iterations

But, you decide the rules Aliewnar. If you start the build, and then start the topic we should be ready to go. I think that's all you need to do. Oh and, then to tell me when I shall close the topic. At the end of the run, you can present the artwork

[Hinckley]

Hey Superkalle, I'll volunteer to moderate one if you need. I'm on a lot and can easily coordinate a build. It might be fun to start two teams with one file and see what they end up with at the end, how different they become.

So, are we starting separate threads for each Relay Race? Is there an official signup? I'd of course like to participate in one as well as moderate another.

[Superkalle]

Hi Hinckley. Great to see ya!

Well, right now we have two things ongoing. We have the "artsy" more anarchistic community build which I think Alienwar will kick-off. That one there is no signing up for, you just grab the MOC as it flies by (sort of) And basically no moderation is required.

Then there is the more structured build that ADHO15 is moderating. There should be just about one spot left for you Just drop him a PM.

[Hinckley]

Hi Hinckley. Great to see ya!

Well, right now we have two things ongoing. We have the "artsy" more anarchistic community build which I think Alienwar will kick-off. That one there is no signing up for, you just grab the MOC as it flies by (sort of) And basically no moderation is required.

That's going to splinter.