Baritones 2-Conclusion

[Silent-Sigfig]

I followed this game, and by day 8 I knew that Ian had to be a rat. I mean seriously, if you trust someone that much, something's wrong.

[Alice]

I was really a follower on killing Dickie. I didn't ever want Dickie to die because I knew once Dickie died, I would be dead because he was loyal. No one seemed to understand that we had to be on the same side because he was my protector. I even suspected Dickie a couple of times and I think we both became suspicious of each other at multiple times during the game. It just didn't make sense for us to be on opposing sides and at the end we both couldn't have been rats. And Dickie, baby, I still love you.

I really was the most obviously loyal person after that whole saving Johnny and blowing up the truck that had all the evidence incident. No well respecting rat would have shot at the cops. Geez guys!

I really did totally miss the clues leading us to Ian. I feel sort of stupid for that, but hey there are 3 other fine mafia game players that missed them as well. Everyone seemed to trust Ian which made me suspicious because Shadows is such a good player and I know how cunning he can actually be. I knew that pointing him out as a suspect was probably a bad idea. I seemed to get left out of a lot of the PMing. I PMed Dickie a lot and Draggy several times. It was fun to plot.

Even though, TinyPies wasn't a rat, I'm glad he got killed after I watched the Witch Hunt Mafia Game so intensely. That was horribly frustrating.

A well played game. Thanks for taking a risk and letting me play Hinckley!

[Hinckley]

Thanks everyone for playing and making this a great game. Here are some observances I made during the game and people who made moves that changed the course of the game.

Lego12: Why would you guys listen to an obnoxious 12 year-old? For all intents and purposes, this kid should've been banned a long time ago, but somehow still remains a member of EB. He randomly guesses one rat right and everyone turns to him for advice, and he in turn clearly demonstrates being unstable and rambling. So, why would people listen to him when he says there's a cheating wife and one of the adulterous couple is a rat? I never said anything to him about Alicia and Dickie. The kid was literally just making crap up and for some reason you people believed him. And he was loyal, so I have no idea why he would want to spread confusion. So, I wonder if I would add him to a game in the future or not.

Trexxen: Wow, dude. Good moves. You killed off every goon with a night action except Quarryman and Johnny Blue. Too many spot on kills leads me to hinder your winning streak by giving away your position with the tried-and-true "look who showed up late." However, this lead to the best match-up of the game. Quarrioni vs. Trexxisanti. Both players were hilariously brilliant in saying, "Hey, let's not worry about each other and we'll just kill who people tell us to." Yeah right. My favorite part was when Ian suggested Quarrioni kill Willie and Trexxisanti kill Pavarti, who was the rat. I'm sure if you all would've taken that bait, you would've woken up with Willie and Quarrioni dead. As it was, a coin toss decided the outcome of the battle. One for each. Coin toss for Trexxen-failed to kill. Coin toss for Quarrioni-killed. If both had failed, no death would've taken place, if both would have killed, I probably would've killed them both off...But, honestly-Trexxen removed most of the goons who had night actions, admitted it-even to killing his own wife-and people were still surprised to see he was a rat. He also made a brilliant conversion with Ian.

Quarryman: Made great choices in night killings. If it weren't for you, the rats would've blown the goons out of the water! Next to Trexxen, I think you are the most successful Night Killer ever in an EB mafia game. I would say even more successful than Trexxen, even though he took out all of the night action players, he had a lot of info to decide who had the night actions, you followed your instincts and took out 3 of the 5 dead rats and only killed 2 innocents.

Jlblue and Alice: I was really proud of these two. As first time mafia gamers, I was very happy I chose them. I believe they were the only two first-timers and they were awesome. Jlblue, in particular, was pleasing since I knew nothing about him. He could've been another Lego12. But something about his request in the entry thread lead me to choose him as one of the first-timer slots. Both newbies played really well until the lockdown, where they both went inexplicably brain-dead. Another example of how well Shadows played his part.

Sir Dillon: In the only blindside of the game, I was even shocked to see that everyone turned on Dragonator. While Dragonator couldn't be turned, being met by Agent Black caused problems for him, for sure. Sir Dillon did a good job convincing everyone that if one of them had to go, it was Dragonator. Your landmine, BTW, was that you were a paranoid gun owner, as was Shadows.

Zepher I chose characters and roles at random and he was a woman again! I literally rolled my eyes when I drew his name and I believe it was the second female character I was creating. Anyway, it was a shame to see her go so early because she was playing a hell of a game. I doubt she would've fallen for Shadows' crap!

Adam: Through apathy and disinterest he weakened the Baritones by a number of one. If you'd have had one more person, perhaps Quarrioni and Adalaide would've figured out it was Ian. But at the time I killed Adam off, I had PMed him twice to remind him to vote, he went on a business trip without letting us know he'd be gone and even when he was around wasn't posting in the game. I'm not a 12 year-old lawyer babysitter and I didn't think he deserved a hash in the win column for not participating-at the time I thought the goons would win... I was disappointed in anyone who lost interest in this game when there was a waiting list as long as the list of players. Then again, I did allow Pencoin to play.

Shadows What the hell, dude? I knew he was a great choice as a convert, but I didn't think he'd steamroll you guys. I could have (as someone mentioned) told everyone it was him and he could've convinced you all not to trust me. I felt I was being a bit unfair with some of the clues I was giving-a chef's hat for God's sake!-but I could've hit you guys over the head with a hammer and you wouldn't have noticed. I tried to make it a little more fair for everyone since everyone seemed to trust him so much. Quarryman laid out the order in which he trusted people so I had Dickie back him up in the botched job and Alicia save Johnny Blue's life and tried to throw 100 clues towards Ian being suspicious and nothing changed his outlook. I believe you guys called my clues "red herrings" . What the hell.

Let's take a look at those "red herrings" that you dismissed and it got you killed:

1. Piav said he heard Ian "knock something out of the truck."
   
2. Ian said it was out of the back. I clearly told Piav it was out of the CAB, but who can pay attention to detail when clues are being given?
   
3. Alicia saw a crushed wire outside the truck in the alley.
   
4. Let's go over that again, Ian drops something-Piav hears it fall-Johnny Blue notices them crash into eachother-Alice sees a crushed wire on the ground where they ran into eachother-but let's just dismiss the wire as a red herring...morons.
   
5. Fiber Con
   
6. Chef Hat
   
7. Picture of family *
   
8. Feds sitting outside his house.
   
9. Iris nearly shot at him. Seriously, I can't make a joke in this game without someone thinking it's a clue, ie-Dickie shooting Pavarti before she can reveal the final rat. Seriously, you cling to that but the clues are just red herrings? I can barely mention someone's name in an introduction and everyone thinks it means something. You believe Dickie is the hitman, Iris says to trust the hitman but he shoots Pavarti before she could end the game for everyone-like that would happen-and you think it means he's a rat. Was she about to tell him that he was the final rat????
   
10. I tried to warn everyone that the last rat had become a killer. I can't believe nobody counted the guns in the closeup of the gun box I posted. What kind of game players are you? And nobody looked any deeper into the attacks on Johnny and Quarrioni!
    

* the picture of the girl and her grandmother was originally part of Ian's motivation for flipping sides. I kept Ivan in the pocket in case he was killed. I didn't want to kill Ivan off so I could use him in Baritones 3. So in the case that Shadows lost-which I thought likely considering he was so outnumbered-I would have left him as Ian.

Anyway, thanks a lot to Hinckley for hosting this, it's been great I was a bit worried about the balance in the beginning, but it turned out to be just right. (clearly, only one person survived) The conclusion was especially nice, (though I'm still missing Steve and the crossdressing construction worker )

I think Steve and the crossdressing construction man would've made it in if I'd have had more time to put the conclusion together. I am very pressed for time right now, as it is. However, I think they should feature in the third installment.

Right there in my house, all the proof you needed. Chefs hat, FiberCon (you can't take my word about what it is, you have to Google it yourselves, though I did find a perfectly suitable cover for it in the concrete reinforcement company, whew...).

I could have killed Hinck for that clue.

I won't even get into my name being Ian after playing Ivan. Even when I was loyal, I suspected me.

The name thing was not intentional. Although, once you were the last remaining rat, someone should have at least thought of it, especially after finding the chef's hat. I name people after names that are similar to their usernames and men's names that start with I aren't too common. I suppose I'll have to be more creative next time, although I have a feeling you won't make it far in these games anymore

Looks like Lego12 and I were right.

What gave it away for me was the whole "Ian, your ear is bleeding". I thought that meant that he had one of those microphones in his ear, that the FBI use often.

That's disgusting that you guys figured it out and these guys couldn't. I mean you two are morons. just kidding. The ear bleeding was a bullet graze and it gave Ian a fighting chance since I thought so many clues would point to him after the botched job. However, everything that happened was just a "red herring." Shadows clearly didn't need the help.

Who killed me by the way?

That was Trexxen. He figured out you had a night action and took you out. I started out by letting everyone involved in night actions interact in what I told them. So if a character blocked another character I wrote a scenario about those characters interacting. I spent a lot of the game feeding important information to only one or two players to see how it would manifest through the rest in the thread and by PM. The wives could've told everyone that the rats didn't know who the other rats were. I said not to say anything, but there wouldn't have been any penalty if you had.

Oh. My. God.

No. Way. Night Four?

Geez, I feel like such a complete newbie now for trusting him so much. But to be fair, I'm sort of glad that the FBI won, because technically they're the good guys, and Sky shooting Iris was too awesome for words. Plus Ian being Ivan... why didn't I expect that?

By the way, how many conversions did the FBI actually have? Clearly they couldn't do it every night, otherwise we would've been overwhelmed.

At least I got a "crazy type death" for my playing the game. Good job.

Trexxen was allowed to convert two. He chose Dragonator for the first, but Draggy couldn't be converted. Instead it set a lot of suspicious clues towards Dragonator, which ended up getting him killed... Don't feel bad. You played so well. Shadows is very convincing. Check out Mystery Castle. The same thing almost happened. Luckily we still had an investigator. Until he was investigated, nobody was listening to me... although I remember thinking a few times early on, that Shadows and Zepher would be the last people I voted off.

I told you Zepher! Zepher and I conferred after we both died, and I suspected Ian. I've had my suspicions from the start (Though obviously those were unfounded), but the real nail on the coffin was when on the day I died, he asked me about my role. I knew I was going to die anyway, so I sent him who I was. He then proceeded to give out lies about me, clearly showing he was a rat.

Thank you so much for this game Hinckley, it was a lot of fun. Words can't express how thankful I am for you hosting this (And letting me play ). Is there going to be a Baritones 3? I guess not, but we could have a remix sort of, where the FBI has rats, and they have to kill them . Thanks again.

Yes, Shadows has a few tells when he's evil. One (I won't tell the others ) is when he starts vehemently accusing people who have previously not been suspected at all.

I knew he was the damn rat. I just knew it. Manipulative... Son of a Bi.. OH JUST WAIT. And my God.. I was the most obviously loyal person at the end and everyone wanted to target me. My role was fairly calm except for the affair and badassness at the end. I think we did well avoiding Dickie's death and convincing everyone that Draggy needed to die. That was kinda funny actually. Draggy needs to die because Alicia is having an affair on him with Dickie. I'm curious, what would have happened if Draggy lived? I'll post more later when I have more time.

I really thought you would come through! Aw, it killed me. I really wanted you to win. What stopped you from publicly accusing Ian?

I guess my favourite time of this game was when I had to make sure people didn't kill me so I could have a go at Trexxinsani the following night, and then woke up to find the hilarious fight. And the suspense just kept building as I scrolled down (my laptop monitor is rather small so not much fit at a time) until I came to the part where I knew I had survived the night. Which I suppose I'll let Hinckley explain how was resolved, if he wants to.

Correct, I killed LeAnn, Trexxinsani killed Intertiatieri. That was completely unplanned and a funny coincidence.

It's sadly ironic that if I'd let my metagaming urge get the better of me and killed him we probably would have won.

(yes, I got it, good one actually)

I did roll my eyes at you when you sent me your final night action. Thanks for sticking to your instincts instead of following my clues. That "lying low" of you and Trexxen was one of my favorite moments of the game. You two were hilarious acting like you wouldn't just go kill each other the minute the day ended. See above for a detailed explanation of how the outcome of that fight was decided.

Wow, that was quite the game! Thanks very much Hinckley, I had a blast playing it.

Congratulations Shadows, well played. When you told me that "we shouldn't trust Iris", I became very suspicious of you, because that just seems like a stupid thing to say. I never did anything about it, though even if I did I'm not sure if it would have mattered... everyone trusted you, and they obviously didn't trust me.

The highlight of the game for me was probably living through the day when JLBlue announced I was having an affair with Alicia. I never really believed I would last, so I was thrilled when I did. If Dragonator had any other night action, I probably would have been killed, but fortunately for me, the Night Killer was an weird role that we had never seen before, and that combined with Dragon's frequent disappearances (which wasn't really his fault) were enough to make him look more like a rat than I did. I was lucky that no one seemed to remember when Iris said on the first day that her Night Killer was one of us.

Was there any good reason for you guys voting me off other than a feeling? I understand I looked suspicious when I killed Pavarti like that (which was not my fault!), but I had also thought that it would be obvious that I was innocent, considering Iris said "don't kill the hitman!" and the overalls thing.

Ev[snip]

Thanks again Hinckley, and thanks to everyone who played.

I explained your land mine above and gave you mad props for surviving the lovers thing. Alicia and Dickie were lovers and had to vote the same. I stopped because I was sick of having to coordinate it by PM. Sir Dillon wasn't voting fast enough for Alice and I thought "this is too complicated. I should simplify for my sake." I did do it at an opportune time: White Fang was a Busted Heroin Dealer and the rats had control of his vote. That was a pain since I had to just give another vote to whoever the rats had a majority vote for. They didn't know who the other rats were so couldn't decide who to tell White Fang to vote for. That was so convoluted, I couldn't wait for it to end. They lost interest in White Fang when Ian was converted and I let Wille vote for himself. Since I was doing that, I broke up the lovers' voting as well.

Way to catch the overalls thing. Man, sometimes people pay attention to every little minute thing and sometimes they just start blowing through the thread. I understand it's easy for these games to get out of hand and you start paying less and less attention the longer they go... that's when people start to miss subtle clues. Especially since more than one day had to be compared. It takes work to investigate such a clue and we are all busy people...

Yes, we most certainly did LeAnn! =P

This game was great - not only was I the killer for the rats, but I was the converter. My first attempt was on Dragonatieri, but it was unsuccessful. Thankfully, Ian had mistakenly contacted me early in the game and we happen[snip]yone wants them I can either post them here or e-mail them to people. It's been great, and I too am looking forward to a Baritones III - although after what happened in this game, I think there won't be one...=P

~Trexxen

I gave you mad props and explained the outcome of your battle with Quarryman above. You did awesome in this game. I do want to do a third installment. I was hoping the goons would win so the playing field would be even. But I think I have a concept for Baritones 3 that will be unlike any mafia game played before on EB. Basically, it will rely on conversions and not voting. Two factions of mafia or good guys and bad guys and a bunch of citizens with no affiliation. The winner either converts everyone or wipes out the entire side. Lots of room for crazy land mines and extra roles in that version. Now that Ivan has killed so many people and since he's Russian, maybe we can have Russian vs. Italian mob in 3... we'll see how it fleshes out. It won't be for quite a while.

I'm sure I'll post more as it comes up. Again, great game everybody!

[Shadows]

How come Shadows is always the last and most silver tongued rat?

Hey, this is only my second appearance as a rat, and this was by conversion after the fact. In Baritones I, I was loyal and true Ivan and we won and then in Witch Hunt... well, we all know about that one. Whole town of non-witches and Hinck.

And well... Revenge shall come in the next mafia game! I'll get you one day Shadows!

I have no doubt about that.

Your landmine, BTW, was that you were a paranoid gun owner, as was Shadows.

Really? How would my landmine have worked? I had no idea it even existed, but early on I faked one that I don't think anyone noticed. It was when I would drink and put my gun on the table in front of me then start yelling in red. I was setting it up as a way to scare someone off if it looked like they were going to vote for me (and this was while I was loyal... ). Mostly just copying Adalaide's rant at Pedro the loon.

Shadows What the hell, dude? I knew he was a great choice as a convert, but I didn't think he'd steamroll you guys. I could have (as someone mentioned) told everyone it was him and he could've convinced you all not to trust me.

Witch.

The name thing was not intentional. Although, once you were the last remaining rat, someone should have at least thought of it, especially after finding the chef's hat. I name people after names that are similar to their usernames and men's names that start with I aren't too common. I suppose I'll have to be more creative next time, although I have a feeling you won't make it far in these games anymore

Lies! Iris is lying again! She's trying to mislead us, guys, let's vote her off next!

[Jlblue]

The only problem is that I couldn't think past what Johnny would do, not what I would do. Johnny's a big damn goofy, lovable teddy bear and characterization and all that is very important to me- I love writing and all that, and maybe I got too into it at times (the concussion plotline might've downplayed any clue I got during the operation, especially with me brushing off some things as me being "disoriented").

I'm glad to have gotten the opportunity, however, and I'm looking forward to participating/following along in future Mafia games. Oh, and was I landmine? I thought I might have been from my PM:

Welcome to the Mafia Game: Baritones 2. You are playing Johnny Blue-one of the made men. You are loyal to the Mafia. Your night action is Rat-Catcher. You can check on one player every night to see if they stay home or not. Every “night” you can PM me the name of the player whose house you’d like to check and I will PM you back letting you know if they stayed home or not. You are one of Iris’s (the Baritones Godfather) most trusted men. You are older & a little quirky with an occasionally violent temper. Most of the time you are jovial and kind, but if someone makes fun of your hair, there’ll be hell to pay!

Please confirm that you’ve received this PM in the Baritones 2 discussion thread. If you have any questions about your role, please ask by PM and not in the discussion thread as that may give away your role and you want to keep it secret! If you have any questions about the basic rules of mafia games please read this thread…although the format of this game will be a bit different when it comes to the vote. default_devg1.gif

Look for day one to be posted soon and thanks for playing! default_classic.gif

[Adam]

Adam: Through apathy and disinterest he weakened the Baritones by a number of one. If you'd have had one more person, perhaps Quarrioni and Adalaide would've figured out it was Ian. But at the time I killed Adam off, I had PMed him twice to remind him to vote, he went on a business trip without letting us know he'd be gone and even when he was around wasn't posting in the game. I'm not a 12 year-old lawyer babysitter and I didn't think he deserved a hash in the win column for not participating-at the time I thought the goons would win... I was disappointed in anyone who lost interest in this game when there was a waiting list as long as the list of players. Then again, I did allow Pencoin to play.

You are quite right, of course - had my flight not come 45 minutes early, I probably would have notified you guys. I must admit, I had completely forgotten about the game as I waited in the airport, but since I was surfing Eurobricks on my phone, I most likely would have remembered. Stupid "Airplane Mode"...

Adalaide away (y'all)!

[Trexxen]

Hinck - Thanks man, most of what I was going off of were the...ahem...suggestions of Perry and Ian, and that was before I knew Perry was a rat, and before I converted Ian. You have to know how to gamble to win people over - basically, I abused the "free PM system" and it worked, though both of them turned out to be on my side in the end... The game was great; several of the aspects of it I want to keep for the Pirate Mafia game Ian (gotta get used to not calling him that anymore =P) and myself are working on - the number of unique night actions and the relationships were brilliant; who'd have thought that the deadliest rat would be married to the gamebreakingly powerful loyalist? =P By the way, that brings up a question, though it's kind of topic - if Ian was Ivan all along, then how was he not a rat from the start of the game?

Ian IS - Very, very well played - and I'm lucky that my conversion action wasn't a direct one, it seems! Even though you were late to the rat party, you turned out to be by far our most useful member - I thought it was over once they got Pavarti, but I knew you wouldn't go down without a fight - and I was dead on! I'm so glad that you PM'd me after that...trip you guys took on day 2, that won the game for the side of...err, evil? Good? I'm not sure (And by the way, I really should have listened to you and Perry and taken out Quarrioni - but my reasoning was that if I shot him dead, and then they discovered that I was the other killer, I'd be a surefire target - and so I backed down...Worst mistake of the game, that XD)

Everyone - Well played on all sides (Well, except for the people that were banned during the course of the game - cough, cough...)! Here's some tidbits of information:

-I corresponded with LeAnn, Perry, and Ian throughout the game; though the first one I talked to only for her information, knowing that she had to be a nutjob.

-I killed Inertia because he was getting close to the truth, so TECHNICALLY I didn't lie in-game - he was saying too much private info in the game, but it wasn't because I was worried about it giving away night actions...

-I shot Boyd while almost certain that he was a rat...sorry man, but someone has to be the scapegoat =P

-That crumpled up note found in the trash was from Pavarti to me.

-My next kill if Quarrioni had gone well? Willie. =P

-The fight between myself and Quarrioni was the most awesome moment in ANY mafia game, ever. Two night killers, fighting barehanded to the death - so very awesome, it was. I'll probably keep the hung Trexxisanti in my avatar for a while (at least until the next game...=D), mainly because it's the most awesome thing I've seen in a long time - hung with a fishnet, who'da thunk it? XD

~Trexxen

[Alice]

I did become brain dead in lockdown. Seriously. I am not sure what happened. I was so confused because despite knowing Shadows is cunning, I wanted him to be loyal. Go figure. I didn't know who else could have been a rat. When I was told that Dickie was the target, I was quite discouraged because I knew they didn't need my vote to go after him.

[Shadows]

By the way, that brings up a question, though it's kind of topic - if Ian was Ivan all along, then how was he not a rat from the start of the game?

Brainwashing. In the slightly altered plot version where Ivan lives, he had been brainwashed by the Baritones as revenge and Agent Black 'cured' him.

Ian IS - Very, very well played - and I'm lucky that my conversion action wasn't a direct one, it seems! Even though you were late to the rat party, you turned out to be by far our most useful member - I thought it was over once they got Pavarti, but I knew you wouldn't go down without a fight - and I was dead on!

I felt bad because it became obvious that you weren't going to last long after I was turned and I couldn't think of any way to save you, but at least it led to the Quarrioni vs. Trexxesani showdown, which will long be remembered, and referenced, I'm sure.

-The fight between myself and Quarrioni was the most awesome moment in ANY mafia game, ever. Two night killers, fighting barehanded to the death - so very awesome, it was. I'll probably keep the hung Trexxisanti in my avatar for a while (at least until the next game...=D), mainly because it's the most awesome thing I've seen in a long time - hung with a fishnet, who'da thunk it? XD

Exactly.

[Ricecracker]

Lego12: *snip*

Trexxen: *snip*

Quarryman: *snip*

Jlblue and Alice: *snip*

Sir Dillon: *snippity-snip*

Zepher *snip*

Adam: *snip*

Shadows *snip*

So where's the rest of us? Or did you just do the noteworthy ones....

[Lego12]

Thanks everyone for playing and making this a great game. Here are some observances I made during the game and people who made moves that changed the course of the game.

Lego12: Why would you guys listen to an obnoxious 12 year-old? For all intents and purposes, this kid should've been banned a long time ago, but somehow still remains a member of EB. He randomly guesses one rat right and everyone turns to him for advice, and he in turn clearly demonstrates being unstable and rambling. So, why would people listen to him when he says there's a cheating wife and one of the adulterous couple is a rat? I never said anything to him about Alicia and Dickie. The kid was literally just making crap up and for some reason you people believed him. And he was loyal, so I have no idea why he would want to spread confusion. So, I wonder if I would add him to a game in the future or not.

........................

I'm not obnoxious.......... Kid? Excuse me? And very mature.........right? I was making crap up..........you guys are silly.

You don't know if you would add me or not to a future game? I don't think thats nice.........but its your choice.

[Sir Dillon]

I tried to warn everyone that the last rat had become a killer. I can't believe nobody counted the guns in the closeup of the gun box I posted. What kind of game players are you? And nobody looked any deeper into the attacks on Johnny and Quarrioni!

At least for me, the left side of the box is kind of dark, like there could have been a gun down there... even if I (or anyone else) had noticed that, I don't know how much good it would have done. We knew there was a rat, so even if he had a gun, that wouldn't help us find him. Did Johnny and Quarryoni know what happened to them? Quarryoni especially was rather vague about the attacks.

The clues were very good though, and I'm annoyed I didn't get more of them, especially when we all went on that last mission.

Sorry I was slow in voting. I would confer with Alice beforehand, which probably slowed it down.

I forgot to say that I liked your sets. Being able to see the locations and people add a lot of atmosphere to the game. My favourites were the foggy dock, and the way you made Piav leaning against a pillar in the warehouse.

Alicia, I still love you too. I hope they buried us next to each other.

[Scouty]

Now that's a fun ending! I'm glad the good guys (The Fed's side) won!!

I didn't follow the game very much, just the beginning and last posts of the threads.

[Zepher]

Wow. I must admit, you had me Ritz.

I thought you were a traitor while you were good, and then when you became a traitor, I started to think you probaly weren't one after all.

My suspects from Day 2 were Alicia and Trexxi. I was right on one. Sorry Alicia.

I'm going to go back and reread the clues.

But as for the chef's hat... I thought that was just a shout out.

[Alice]

At least for me, the left side of the box is kind of dark, like there could have been a gun down there... even if I (or anyone else) had noticed that, I don't know how much good it would have done. We knew there was a rat, so even if he had a gun, that wouldn't help us find him. Did Johnny and Quarryoni know what happened to them? Quarryoni especially was rather vague about the attacks.

The clues were very good though, and I'm annoyed I didn't get more of them, especially when we all went on that last mission.

Sorry I was slow in voting. I would confer with Alice beforehand, which probably slowed it down.

I forgot to say that I liked your sets. Being able to see the locations and people add a lot of atmosphere to the game. My favourites were the foggy dock, and the way you made Piav leaning against a pillar in the warehouse.

Alicia, I still love you too. I hope they buried us next to each other.

Yeah we always discussed who we were voting for, but I didn't want Hinck to know how much we were talking so I'd always PM him to find out who we voted for. Plus it was a good check on Dickie's honesty. He always checked out.

Maybe they buried me between Dickie and Draggy!!!!

[Zepher]

Juyst a side note to anyone who plans on hosting the next Mafia Game.

-I need to be a women.

-I need to be married to a rat, who I suspect but don't want to say publically due to not wanting to break character. (Seroiusly. I so would of accused Trexxi if I hadn't been his wife. And I was married to Hinck, who was a witch.)

-I need to live longer

For real. Out of all the Mafia games I would of liked to die in first, I can't this would of been my top pick.

So, let me figure out this final sequence.

3 Baritones, One Rat. Alica dies at Qurryman's hands.

2 Baritones, One Rat. Qurryman dies at Ian's Hands.

1 Baritone, One Rat. Ian wins.

Oh yeah. I almost yelled at the Ian ear shot. But I guess it would of been to late then anyways.

Edited March 6, 2009 by Zepher

[Hinckley]

I'm glad to have gotten the opportunity, however, and I'm looking forward to participating/following along in future Mafia games. Oh, and was I landmine? I thought I might have been from my PM:

You were a landmine. If anyone had made fun of your hair, which Perry came dangerously close, you would've killed them. I think the other one was Tony, who if anyone said Megablocks more than three times, he would've killed them... Of course, they were coin flip kills. If the target wouldn't have died, their loyalty would've been revealed to the hitman. Did my rules get a little complicated? yes.

You are quite right, of course - had my flight not come 45 minutes early, I probably would have notified you guys. I must admit, I had completely forgotten about the game as I waited in the airport, but since I was surfing Eurobricks on my phone, I most likely would have remembered. Stupid "Airplane Mode"...

Adalaide away (y'all)!

You were also spending a lot of time in the Pirates' forum which is understandable. Having new responsibilities is more interesting, I suppose.

-I killed Inertia because he was getting close to the truth, so TECHNICALLY I didn't lie in-game - he was saying too much private info in the game, but it wasn't because I was worried about it giving away night actions...

-I shot Boyd while almost certain that he was a rat...sorry man, but someone has to be the scapegoat =P

-That crumpled up note found in the trash was from Pavarti to me.

That's very interesting. Nice job on Boyd and it's fascinating to hear what trouble the "free PM system" caused. I like it.

Yes, and that crumpled up note needlessly took Stanton out of the game. Seriously, when everyone jumped on him because the note was found in the trash of his theater, I almost intervened. I almost intervened a few times, but just let things play out instead. But, everyone was meeting at the theater every day. That was the point, sheesh. Next time I'll leave the garbage can in the park. That was annoying to lose Stash2sixx again for no good reason. Seriously, you guys picked up on that non-clue but refused to pick up on the over-abundance of clues pointing to Shadows. Maybe it wasn't Shadows skill that won the game after all. I hope talking megablocks gets you guys all fired up for all out war for Baritones 3.

I did become brain dead in lockdown. Seriously. I am not sure what happened. I was so confused because despite knowing Shadows is cunning, I wanted him to be loyal. Go figure. I didn't know who else could have been a rat. When I was told that Dickie was the target, I was quite discouraged because I knew they didn't need my vote to go after him.

Well, you were the deciding vote that took Dickie out.

ricecracker:

Sorry, I didn't mention you. You also played very well as did most people in the game. I was just pointing out people who either purposely or inadvertently changed the game drastically. You were another one who died unfairly, I think. I would've liked to have seen you play longer and the reasons you were voted out were ridiculous.

May I point out that the goons only made one successful conviction and it was process of elimination because they killed off everyone else on the second botched job already. Ptdapen started out with some good strategies, trying to convince people not to kill people who she knew to be goons. She was the investigator for the rats, trying to find all the others so they could start coordinating. But then he lost interest as well and for some reason nobody paid attention to that and took out every other member of the theater job before taking him out. Honestly, that's a horrible track record for the players in this game. Where would the goons have been without Quarryman?

[Shadows]

Well, you were the deciding vote that took Dickie out.

Speaking of votes! How many people ever voted for me, and was I loyal or a rat at the time?

[Jlblue]

Unfortunately I got a little bit too immersed into my character and what my character should and shouldn't know. I didn't think of Ian as being Ian, played by Imperial Shadows who also played Ivan, he was just... Ian. I completely forgot that they were played by the same person.

[Ricecracker]

ricecracker:

Sorry, I didn't mention you. You also played very well as did most people in the game. I was just pointing out people who either purposely or inadvertently changed the game drastically. You were another one who died unfairly, I think. I would've liked to have seen you play longer and the reasons you were voted out were ridiculous.

Ok, thanks . I just wasn't sure, but that was what I thought.

[Zepher]

I'm afraid Staton's death was my fualt. I said if I died, he died. And he did.

As for that... I was fairly pissed. I was dead either way. If I revealed my night action, which I ended up doing, to prove I could be trusted, I was dead at night. If I didn't they'd vote me off for having a Night Action I didn't reveal. You put me in a really hard spot Hinck. I mean, I could of come up with a shitty excuse, had not a bunch of people have called me out becuase they knew I had a Night Action. Any Night Action in the game would of made me a target. And even when I almost flat out said I was the investigator, someone didn't protect me.

As for Trexxi not getting voted off the second they figured he killed me... THEY KNEW I ADMITTED MY NIGHT ACTION! He knew I was the investigator and killed me any way. That should of been a red flag.

[Shadows]

We all made our mistakes...

-I need to live longer

Sadly, when I was loyal, I came to the conclusion that you were Agent Black (Draggy had told me about the visit). I thought you had probably tried to convert Adalaide, failed, and gone after him next. I mentioned this suspicion to Trexx, who I trusted completely at the time. When you turned out to be loyal, he was incredibly understanding and said that as sad as it was, mistakes happen...

[Zepher]

Well Ritz, I would like to take this moment to compliment you on a really wonderful game.

If only I could of been your little sidekick again.

[Stash2Sixx]

WOW! Unfrigginbelievable! Nicely done Shadows. You're skills at duping are A++++!

And for the record, yes, I was contributing, but there was so much crap being thrown around and I didn't see a need to reiterate the things that had already been said multiple times.

And Zepher, thanks. Kill him if I die???????? And you people did?

I just saw a lot of voting based off what other people had stated, and they were following them because they trusted them. Or I guess I should say 'claiming to vote' because as Iris said, some people didn't vote.

[Admiral Blockbeard]

A loud dark grumble come across the now empty town. Perry's ghost has appeared to tell his story.

I could have killed Hinck for that clue.

SAME HERE!

Seriously, this was, by far, the best game yet, and I'm not just saying that because you're all dead, I really mean it. Once I had been converted, I realised the situation I was in. Everyone seemed to trust me at that point, and suddenly it was my job to misdirect and lead you to disaster, right as I was getting a grasp on the rat situation.

If it hadn't been for that conversion, we would have continued down the path of killing Willie and Pavarti and probably figured out Trexxesani along the way, but he would have had to convert someone else (he was the one sending Agent Black, the one who decided to turn me at just the right moment to insure rat success) and then we would have either won or been stuck figuring out who the last rat was. Picking me to convert was the perfect choice since I was widely trusted at the time (though night-actionless).

From there, madness ensued, mostly subtle misdirection and letting the natural suspicions take over. I didn't have to fight very hard on some, I was practically talked into Dickie (who, when I was loyal, I suspected was a rat ) which opened the door to the whole endgame.

Thanks to everyone for a great game, especially crazy witch Iris... Ivan was wanting to make you the deadness since Baritones I and the Johnny Blue death was absolutely beautiful (and dammit, now I need a yellow handtruck ).

The mastermind behind this position was the brains trust of Trex and myself. If we had not made contact so early and I had not shared ALL my conversations with Ian, we would have been in a much worse position. Trex if only you had killed Quarryman before he could get to me! abd then you! Ian has avenged us! I was also the one whom figured out Zephs power and convinced Trex to kill his own wife! that to me won us the grounds to win. If she had survied just a little longer we were fried.

I guess my favourite time of this game was when I had to make sure people didn't kill me so I could have a go at Trexxinsani the following night, and then woke up to find the hilarious fight. And the suspense just kept building as I scrolled down (my laptop monitor is rather small so not much fit at a time) until I came to the part where I knew I had survived the night. Which I suppose I'll let Hinckley explain how was resolved, if he wants to.

Correct, I killed LeAnn, Trexxinsani killed Intertiatieri. That was completely unplanned and a funny coincidence.

It's sadly ironic that if I'd let my metagaming urge get the better of me and killed him we probably would have won.

This was actually set in motion from my dealings with Inertia, and Trex heeded my warning (just before my death) that inertia was a remaining block in the game for him moving freely, I had kept him busy enough for trexx to get his dirty job done!

It's too bad Zabrina was killed off so early, we could have really used her powers towards the end.

yes yes it was :skull:

My role was a short one this time around but my PM playing really brought the rats to a win-able situation by the time I died. Yes my mistake was revealing the rats did not know each other, then Hinckley went and told all the women! I was dead meat from tht point on... Trexx and I really hit the ground running once we aere sure of each others alligiance. I still think however Trex you should have killed Quarryman then convert Ian... but thats history.

I have a copy of most pms, Yes IS even my original pm from hinkley!

We should find a way to post them all in order...

Great game guys, I hope you will all see just how much went on behind closed doors. It really was magical how IS pulled it off, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for him! they were goldfish at that completely forgetting anything from 5 seonds ago...

Regards, Cpt. PB