Star Wars

[Robert8]

RIP Carrie Fisher 

[ChiefPie]

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So sad that Carrie has passed. Now I wonder if they will change anything with episode 8 or 9.

[xboxtravis7992]

15 minutes ago, ChiefPie said:

So sad that Carrie has passed. Now I wonder if they will change anything with episode 8 or 9.

Yes I have been wondering if any plot points will be changed in Episode 8 or 9 to reflect this. Or will we get some CGI resurrection for Episode 9?  

Again wishing Han was somehow still in the franchise. Knowing that the sequel trilogy has killed of Han already and will soon has to address the death of Carrie by probably writing off Leia means that most of the original cast will be killed in the new series. That is really depressing. 

[N-4K0]

Sad to see this. Rest in peace, Carrie. May the Force be with you, always.

[dr_spock]

Rest In Peace Princess.

 

[VaderFan2187]

She will be dearly missed. ? 

[ChiefPie]

I would have been fine with Han dieing in ep 8 or 9 instead of the first movie of a new trilogy. I read somewhere that Luke and Leia were to be both alive in ep 9. I know Carrie had finished filming episode 8. Perhaps there will be a time break between 8 and 9. So perhaps when 9 begins it starts with Leias funeral? I'm not sure I want to see a CGI general leia even though I would like to see leia live. Gonna be rough for Carries family since her and her mother have passed now.

[Leo604]

If they do decide to write her character off it better be done right - a good example is Leonard Nimoy's death and his character's passing of Spock Prime in Star Trek Beyond. It conveyed the emotion everyone felt at Nimoy's passing, and was respectful enough to be worked into the movie. I think Disney will make it work either with Leia's death or a retirement write-off.

[Ultron]

I'd rather them not compromise the story. I say either recast her or use CGI. I miss her like hell, but I want them to tell the best story that they can. 

[Leo604]

It wouldn't be the same at all with a recast/CGI'd Leia, not to mention the huge backlash from fans and everyone else. Disney would be better off retiring her character and put in someone completely new as the leader of the Resistance if they wanted to go ahead with whatever the plan for Episode 9 is.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Young Leo

[xboxtravis7992]

11 hours ago, Young Leo said:

If they do decide to write her character off it better be done right - a good example is Leonard Nimoy's death and his character's passing of Spock Prime in Star Trek Beyond. It conveyed the emotion everyone felt at Nimoy's passing, and was respectful enough to be worked into the movie. I think Disney will make it work either with Leia's death or a retirement write-off.

Great example! The way Star Trek Beyond handled Nimoy's passing was perfect. If Leia isn't killed of dramatically, she should be killed of peacefully sort of in-between the plots of Episodes 8 and 9. Imagine Luke and Rey off on some mission, only to return at the start of Episode 9 to the shocking news that Leia passed away while they were gone. Imagine Kylo Ren's reaction. Would it turn him closer to the dark side? Or reagnite some of the light still in him?

Edited January 3, 2017 by xboxtravis7992

[Leo604]

8 hours ago, xboxtravis7992 said:

Great example! The way Star Trek Beyond handled Nimoy's passing was perfect. If Leia isn't killed of dramatically, she should be killed of peacefully sort of in-between the plots of Episodes 8 and 9. Imagine Luke and Rey off on some mission, only to return at the start of Episode 9 to the shocking news that Leia passed away while they were gone. Imagine Kylo Ren's reaction. Would it turn him closer to the dark side? Or reagnite some of the light still in him?

I would love to see some Kylo self-conflict sometime in this trilogy, even though I think he's beyond redemption. It would be interesting if he somehow found out Vader was not in actuality anything like Kylo's perception of him, which would lead him to question Snoke's teachings. If they go down the Leia-passing-away route, that would definitely add to his conscience as well.

[xboxtravis7992]

1 hour ago, Young Leo said:

I would love to see some Kylo self-conflict sometime in this trilogy, even though I think he's beyond redemption. It would be interesting if he somehow found out Vader was not in actuality anything like Kylo's perception of him, which would lead him to question Snoke's teachings. If they go down the Leia-passing-away route, that would definitely add to his conscience as well.

Yes, I would love to see Kylo have to reconcile the "redemption" of Vader. It would be interesting if Haydnn C. reprised his role as Anakin Force Ghost just to tell Kylo how wrong he is about Vader. Then to top it off, Kylo getting pissed and becoming MORE evil. 

(Wasn't there actual early scripts for Episode VII though with force ghost Anakin showing up being conflicted between the light and dark? Makes me wonder if force ghosts don't appear as they are, but how the viewer sees them. I.E. Luke would see an Anakin ghost, and Kylo a Vader ghost; but both are manifestations of the same spirit; just seen differently by the observer...)

[Leo604]

13 minutes ago, xboxtravis7992 said:

Yes, I would love to see Kylo have to reconcile the "redemption" of Vader. It would be interesting if Haydnn C. reprised his role as Anakin Force Ghost just to tell Kylo how wrong he is about Vader. Then to top it off, Kylo getting pissed and becoming MORE evil. 

(Wasn't there actual early scripts for Episode VII though with force ghost Anakin showing up being conflicted between the light and dark? Makes me wonder if force ghosts don't appear as they are, but how the viewer sees them. I.E. Luke would see an Anakin ghost, and Kylo a Vader ghost; but both are manifestations of the same spirit; just seen differently by the observer...)

Apparently so: http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-anakin-skywalker-force-ghost-images-hayden-christensen/

[Forresto]

I saw this on Facebook and it made me smile. 

[N-4K0]

I agree with the FB post. I enjoyed hearing Diego Luna with his actual accent.

[Leo604]

If anything, I think the accent actually enhanced his character - sneaky spy-ish guy running around, kind of like what you would see in old Western's.

[xboxtravis7992]

Wow, flashback time! When Disney and Lucasfilm really started collaborating 30 years ago with Star Tours:

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2017/01/star-tours-at-30-celebrating-three-decades-of-star-wars-at-disney-parks/?CMP=SOC-FBPAGE20170110020300

Edited January 10, 2017 by xboxtravis7992

[VaderFan2187]

On 03/01/2017 at 4:57 PM, Young Leo said:

If they do decide to write her character off it better be done right - a good example is Leonard Nimoy's death and his character's passing of Spock Prime in Star Trek Beyond. It conveyed the emotion everyone felt at Nimoy's passing, and was respectful enough to be worked into the movie. I think Disney will make it work either with Leia's death or a retirement write-off.

This is Star Wars! No Star Trek allowed!

 

On 04/01/2017 at 0:39 PM, Young Leo said:

I would love to see some Kylo self-conflict sometime in this trilogy, even though I think he's beyond redemption.

I'm pretty sure they will redeem him. All the inner conflict in the movie, and all the things they do to try to pretend he's irredeemable points to the fact that he probably will have a Vader-like redemption.

[N-4K0]

Perhaps they will write Ep 9 in a way that has Kylo reaching the point where he finally understands why his grandfather did what he did and returned to the light side of the Force.

Speaking of writing, I'm curious of how they will handle Carrie Fisher's death. Since the filming of Ep 8 was wrapped in July, I think they will either make some reshoots/editing if they decide to have Leia die in Ep 8 (if they didn't already do that) or write in an accident or attack that kills her in the beginning of Ep 9.

[dr_spock]

On 1/10/2017 at 4:38 PM, VaderFan2187 said:

This is Star Wars! No Star Trek allowed!

How about Jar Jar Binks accidently causes a reactor core breach when he pressed the wrong button?  Leia goes in to stop it and saves everyone but exposed herself to a fatal dose of radiation.

Perhaps Snokes gets Kylo to kill his own mother to test his loyalty to the Dark Side. 

Many paths to death there are.

 

[VaderFan2187]

28 minutes ago, dr_spock said:

How about Jar Jar Binks accidently causes a reactor core breach when he pressed the wrong button?  Leia goes in to stop it and saves everyone but exposed herself to a fatal dose of radiation.

That escalated quickly  so... Jar Jar is to blame for Leia's death? Also, if Jar Jar is Snoke, then he'd be to blame for Han's death 

[BrickG]

Rogue One Spoilers:

I thought... it was an okay movie. Nothing great. I don't see how people could like it that much. It felt like (exaggeration warning) the Transformers of Star Wars. Lots of amazing visuals. Very little anywhere else.

First off the characters. They just didn't have nearly enough identifiable character and weren't developed nearly enough. By the end of the movie everyone died and I literally didn't care. One of the big signs was I didn't remember what most of the character names were.

We had the Han Solo-like guy who didn't have the charisma and was just sad and depresing. He was a darker, broodier, more boring Han Solo.

We had the hero girl Jyn who had about as much emotion as an prune. She was one of the more developed but I question if she had any actual character. We saw what happened to her, what shaped her to a limited extent. However we didn't see her express herself in any significant way. She didn't want to go to Toshi Station for power converters. She didn't bicker with a princess in a flirty manner. She had NO character. She was stale. The biggest character she had was that she cared about her dad which still felt stale.

K-2SO was probably my favorite character. And he wasn't important at all. Just comic relief that does the same variation of jokes we've all heard before.

Saw-man was just a crazy, broken guy who had like 10 lines. Then he wanted to stop running... from the GIANT EXPLOSION. Come on man. The ship is right over there. What? Why are we leaving you here? GIANT, SLOW MOTION EXPLOSION over there! We have plenty of time! Come on! You could have helped confirm the hologram that nobody believed Jyn about!

Ip Man was a decent guy. Blind Monk. A bit overdone but still slightly cool I guess. The mysteriousness that surrounded him was pretty cool but then he just died. He didn't do much. I don't remember him doing anything I guess. He fought. Yeah. He liked the asian dude I have no idea the name of.

Asian dude character. Idunno... I don't remember anything about him. Really useless? He was friends with Ip Man.

Pilot dude. He was a pilot. He did some things. He joined "good" guys who are all dark and depressing and have no redeming qualities when it comes to making them interesting.

I'm sure there were more characters. Imperial Man. The Darth Vader scene was cool but his role was minor and regulated to cool parts. I want to see more of his story.

Then when Roger Rabbit popped up I was kind of surprised. It looked ridiculous. I don't know why they're putting Roger Rabbit into these movies. He looked slightly different. Kind of like that dead guy from the original trilogy who played Tarkin. Oh god, why am I watching cartoons? I want to watch Star Wars!

I really wish cartoon Leia at the end was just a silhouette. It was so terrible.

 

The movie was a bit emotional. Despite the fact that the characters weren't developed and they were boring and I didn't care about them I still found myself experiencing a bit of emotion. I really wish the movie had about HALF the characters. I would have loved to have seen more of the father. He was just a plot device. More character development in general. I would have loved to have seen Vader himself handle finding the Rebels more rather than being a "he's cool lets show him for a few seconds from time to time doing cool things" cameo tool. More character from basically ALL the characters. More emotion would have been appreciated. 

Just look at Finn and Rey. Rey is almost OVER THE TOP with her expressions. Finn is highly expressive too. Poe has CRAZY amounts of character from just his first scene in the opening! None of the Rogue One characters have HALF the interesting character as any of the characters in Episode VII. Maybe K-2SO is an exception. Even BB8 had more character than everyone here!

I won't complain about the TONE. Star War should keep doing experiments and seeing what it could do without feeling super restricted by the Star Wars feel and tone of all of the rest of them. I just think that you could have a movie like this with a much darker, more depressing tone WITHOUT making the characters incredibly TONELESS and plain and dark and depressing. If anything, if we could fall in love with any of these characters and then watch them die it would be more impactful. If Luke, Hand and Leia all died to destroy the first Death Star you all would know you'd care about 10x as much as any of these boring people in Rogue One who were almost DESIGNED to die horribly.

 

I'd rate this movie as a pretty average movie. I have higher expectations for Star Wars movies than average which means I'm going to be more harsh against it honestly. Episode VII, despite the rehashed plot, was just a superior movie. Rogue one feels like Michael Bay got his fingers in there somewhere. It's like a bad Saving Private Ryan. 

 

P.S. Why are AT-ATs (I know they're not exactly AT-ATs) being destroyed so easily? heh. Forgot to mention that. Why didn't the Rebels in the Battle of Hoth just fire a few X-Wing torpedos at the AT-AT's legs and call it a day?

 

[RetroInferno]

AT-ACT as a whole were sort of shoe horned in the movie, there's got to be more energy effective means to transport cargo than a humongous 4 legged metal beast.

They were destroyed more easily because they had way less plating than a regular AT-AT, and they had that big hole in the middle section for cargo that doesn't make things hold up very well vs proton torpedos I guess. From the visual book I think it's mentionned that their legs are supported by some sort of magnetic field to support the cargo weight and that's why the U-wing ''electric'' gun could disable them. 

They should have remained in the background and used AT-STs instead. 

Edited January 12, 2017 by RetroInferno

[quark12000]

On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 4:38 PM, VaderFan2187 said:

This is Star Wars! No Star Trek allowed!

Aww!  But I want to see a Jar-jar Binks/ Wesley Crusher death match!