[CONTEST] Return of the Classic Pirates - WIN a 10320 Eldorado Fortress

[Marooned Marin]

On 7/5/2023 at 10:16 PM, BrynnOfCastlegate said:

Is there a separate prize for each category (remakes versus classic-style sets), or is it one prize for both?

From my understanding, it is one main prize, and second and third prize for builders category, whether you chose to do a Re-Make or completely new set it's up to you. But... I'm maybe wrong so we need to wait the final word on that from the Governor later this month.

As for you second observation, yes, I agree with that majority of entries so far have been Re-Makes, but this should not discourage anyone from making something new and outstanding. If I find time, I will enter this little show with a new build.

3 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

Will there be a thread showing all entries with a picture?

Most probably, or we can compile all entries in one brief blog-post on Classic-Pirates.com with links to voting thread. We will see with the Governor what works best when he returns from his long due leave pillage and plunder on high seas by the end of this month.

[BrynnOfCastlegate]

On 7/8/2023 at 9:29 PM, Marooned Marin said:

As for you second observation, yes, I agree with that majority of entries so far have been Re-Makes, but this should not discourage anyone from making something new and outstanding. If I find time, I will enter this little show with a new build.

I am planning on entering a new build. I will be taking the below instruction far too seriously. 

On 6/17/2023 at 7:13 AM, Mister Phes said:

the onus is to convince everyone your creation is an official set.

[Eggyslav]

May I have your attention, please. Due to the fact that this contest has had it's rules violated in favour of two entries who's names and authors i shall have the decency to not speak out loud, and due to none of the organizers, nor Eurobricks staff reacting apropriately to aformentioned violations, With deep grief and sadness I have decided to withdraw from this unfair, unregulated mess of a contest. First entry was frontpaged which gave it prestige and advantage in the voting process. Second got gratitious help from outside, improving the images. These two entries already had an extremely high chance to win, and I find both instances to be unfair and violating the generally understood rules and ideals of fair play and sportsmanship. As such, I do not want to participate in a contest that plays favourites, and others don't have an equal chance to win. For me this contest is already over, but I wish the best of luck to the remaining participants. That is all, thank you.

[Marooned Marin]

Thank you for your explanation and I'm sorry to hear all of this was such a bad experience for you.

As you felt the need to call-out Eurobricks staff, let me address two things here.

44 minutes ago, Eggyslav said:

Due to the fact that this contest has had it's rules violated

Regarding the Frontpage, please allow me to highlight point (3) of the terms on which you also agreed by entering the contest.

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By participating or viewing, as an entrant, critic, commentator or observer, you hereby:

• Agree to these Terms & Conditions
• Agree to the Classic Pirates Terms of Use
• Grant Eurobricks and Classic Pirates permission to share your images, textual contributions and other media via our various websites and social media accounts.

As you can see, there is NO RULE which dictates that Contest Entries are not allowed to be frontpaged by EB staff.

As for your other objection (of an already outstanding entry getting outside help) you can accuse me of doing the same for helping several members who did not knew how to upload images on Flickr and share them inside the forum for all to see. Should I avoid teaching people how to share their work on forum?

Following the same line of thought, you can also accuse other members, those constructive critiques, for giving valuable advice to designers how to improve their build. Should they avoid commenting great builds? Giving any advice?

The individual who took time and energy to improve images (of an already outstanding entry) gave you reasonable answer and valuable offer to help you with your entries if you need help.

If you want help with photos just reach out - I'm happy to advise and help out. I'm not really hyped about the competition itself (even though I'm planning to submit my build too) - I'm just excited we're getting some amazing MOCs from the Pirates lore.

In summary, no rule was violated, nor is this contest broken or prearranged for one or two participants to win. Winners are chosen by the vote, remember? And I feel we will see even better entries in August when heavy-hitters begin to enter the contest, you know, those 10K Club-members builders who are also in love with Pirates.

[zinnn]

@Marooned Marin could you please move all the off-topic exchanges from [ENTRY] 6278/6292 Enchanted Island Remake here, so that entry thread is not littered with all this drama?

[evancelt]

2 hours ago, zinnn said:

@Marooned Marin could you please move all the off-topic exchanges from [ENTRY] 6278/6292 Enchanted Island Remake here, so that entry thread is not littered with all this drama?

I've removed the off-topic chatter. Thanks for brightening the photos! Indeed easier to see. Reviewers when voting, however, should use the original images as submitted by the creator.

@Eggyslav has been put in timeout for the moment.

[Eggyslav]

I'm Back! All I want to say, I'm sorry for the whole mess.

[evancelt]

4 hours ago, Eggyslav said:

I'm Back! All I want to say, I'm sorry for the whole mess.

Welcome back

[MstrOfPppts]

OK, now that the rules have been clarified the rules make more sense, but the contest makes less ...

It was strange that in the remake category the Eldorado fortress and the Barracuda were omitted, when there's a lot of room for improvement in a full blown MOC version. Therefor a presumption of a LEGO styled remake was in seemingly a lot of people's minds. However there were some more MOCy examples given, but most followed the LEGO sets style. Thanks to @Marooned Marin for finally clarifying the rules. I already expressed my concerns about this topic in this thread but no discussion nor replies emerged. No answer to my fleshies question either, nor any discussion around someone else's question about the omitted sets ... Also this does not help the description of the second category:

On 6/17/2023 at 8:13 AM, Mister Phes said:

Which classic LEGO Pirate set should the LEGO Group remake next?

Anyway I'm really happy that this is the case for this second category!

But now for the less reasonable part. How is a LEGO styled set creation able to compete against a full blown MOC in the same category? Well it's impossible in my eyes.

[Mister Phes]

3 hours ago, MstrOfPppts said:

It was strange that in the remake category the Eldorado fortress and the Barracuda were omitted, when there's a lot of room for improvement in a full blown MOC version.

They were omitted because those particular sets have already been remade. 

But it was also said that rule could be appealed...

 

3 hours ago, MstrOfPppts said:

How is a LEGO styled set creation able to compete against a full blown MOC in the same category?

There seems to be a misunderstanding.  All entries are supposed to be LEGO styled set creations, irrespective of the category. 

Nowhere has it been stated that full blown MOCs should be entered and the briefing has instructed to limit part count as the objective is to invent an entirely new LEGO Pirate set or remake an existing pirate set.

Perhaps it wasn't stressed enough that the remake entries should still be LEGO set style, in the same way new Eldorado Fortress has an increased part count and modern pieces, but is by no means a full blown MOC.

[MstrOfPppts]

2 hours ago, Mister Phes said:

There seems to be a misunderstanding.  All entries are supposed to be LEGO styled set creations, irrespective of the category.

Yes there sure is, since what you are saying is clearly not what we've been told by staff in the ENTRY topic of a great MOC which could obviously not pass as an official set?

 

[Mister Phes]

11 minutes ago, MstrOfPppts said:

Yes there sure is, since what you are saying is clearly not what we've been told by staff in the ENTRY topic of a great MOC which could obviously not pass as an official set?

How unfortunate.  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

I shall discuss the matter further with staff.

[Marooned Marin]

3 hours ago, MstrOfPppts said:

we've been told by staff in the ENTRY topic of a great MOC which could obviously not pass as an official set?

I misunderstood the scope of the second category and unintentionally gave wrong clarification. I can only offer my sincere apologies for the confusion.

[A_Goodman]

On 6/16/2023 at 11:13 PM, Mister Phes said:

Existing Examples

 

6 hours ago, Mister Phes said:

All entries are supposed to be LEGO styled set creations, irrespective of the category.

As it unfortunately seems my submission will become a casualty of these rule clarifications I wanted to quickly present an argument in favor of my MOC style remake of 6292 Shipwreck Island. Although it seems that all entries are supposed to be in the LEGO style, as is clear by the images above 2 out of the first 3 examples presented for category 2 of acceptable remakes, shown on the first page of this thread, contain brick-built bases utilizing a parts intensive water design fairly similar to the one I used. Compared to the image of the build in the center which is reminiscent of the recent Pirates sets, the two using the tiled water technique would never be considered Official Lego style yet were prominently shown as potentially acceptable submissions, had they been built during the period of this contest. I argue that my submission does exactly what the contest intends it to do "show [LEGO] how it's done" or at least how I wish they would do it. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Edited July 27, 2023 by A_Goodman

[Blechbek]

Do the MOCs need to have the two piece LEGO cannons, or can they be brickbuild?

[Eggyslav]

1 hour ago, Blechbek said:

Do the MOCs need to have the two piece LEGO cannons, or can they be brickbuild?

Use whichever you preffer, really. In my case, a brick built cannon (incorporating stud shooters) made a vast improvement.

[Mister Phes]

On 7/28/2023 at 5:03 AM, A_Goodman said:

I argue that my submission does exactly what the contest intends it to do "show [LEGO] how it's done" or at least how I wish they would do it.

Your entry was not going to be disqualified, rather we'd leave it for the voters to decide whether the build had strayed too far from the objective.

But you appear to have removed the images so it seems you've disqualified yourself.

[A_Goodman]

5 hours ago, Mister Phes said:

But you appear to have removed the images so it seems you've disqualified yourself.

I figured it was in the best interest of the contest, it seemed to really rub some people the wrong way.

[zinnn]

On 7/29/2023 at 5:34 PM, A_Goodman said:

I figured it was in the best interest of the contest, it seemed to really rub some people the wrong way.

you should put the images back because it's an amazing build. just change the topic title to [MOC]

[Elephant Knight]

4 hours ago, zinnn said:

you should put the images back because it's an amazing build. just change the topic title to [MOC]

Agreed, it was an awesome MOC.

EKnight

[Rui Miguel]

Damn, I just saw this contest now! Good grief... I wish I had seen it sooner... I just finished my entries for the Adventurers contest which I'm summiting this week. If I knew about this sooner I could have done something special as well.  I still have 1 month but for this category, it's impossible for me I would need two months at least to make something realistic and new. Good luck to those who participate 

[Mister Phes]

54 minutes ago, Rui Miguel said:

I still have 1 month but for this category, it's impossible for me I would need two months at least to make something realistic and new. Good luck to those who participate 

You've got the right spirit, lad!

We've just introduced a Mini Set Building category where the aim is to design or update a small LEGO Pirate set with less than 50 pieces.

Maybe there's enough time remaining for you to take a stab at that!

[Rui Miguel]

53 minutes ago, Mister Phes said:

You've got the right spirit, lad!

We've just introduced a Mini Set Building category where the aim is to design or update a small LEGO Pirate set with less than 50 pieces.

Maybe there's enough time remaining for you to take a stab at that!

Thank you for the welcoming    is the deadline for that one also August 26? I'll see what I can do in a short time. 

[Yperio_Bricks]

I have only one question. Why is nobody remaking Lagoon Lock-Up? It's the best Pirates Set, no?

[Mister Phes]

On 8/7/2023 at 9:52 PM, Rui Miguel said:

Thank you for the welcoming    is the deadline for that one also August 26? I'll see what I can do in a short time. 

At this stage yes, but we may offer a small extension depending upon requests from participants.

2 hours ago, Yperio_Bricks said:

I have only one question. Why is nobody remaking Lagoon Lock-Up? It's the best Pirates Set, no?

Yes, it's definitely the best set!

Maybe you could be the one to remake it...