Shanley Sheepdog Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 Claiming could indeed be risky. Especially with the trickster already manipulating things. A framer would mess up the results of both cops. Come to think of it if a framer and an insane cop targeted a townie, the framer would frame him as guilty but the insane cop would get the opposite result; the right one. I'm assuming the scum could perform two actions in one night if they were to receive a one shot action?
Maddock Monkey Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 The only way it's risky to claim if you get the framer action is if you're scum and actually want to use it. I don't think anyone advocates for the people who get the investigations to claim straight away, but it would be nice to hear from them in the new day.
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Hendrick Horse Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 Just now, Maddock Monkey said: *snip* Wow that is vewy wude. Poop belongs on the floor where your standing or the basket under your butt! Not in anyone's hands! *you're
Keyarra Crocodile Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 I am in agreement with the suggestion that rancid farts ... sorry, recipients of the framer actions should claim today and not use them. I do not see any way that those roles would benefit the town at all. If by some stroking duck the framer actions end up with town defectors, then at least that only leaves the puzzle of figuring out which of the investigation results is false tomorrow, assuming of course that all three go ahead and all three report back ... I must say, it is most interesting to have some idea of what the night ahead has in store for us, it is both a blessing and curse in a way at this early stage. There should be no harm in the investigators claiming tomorrow as their one-shot actions will be gone, so at least we know we will have something to talk about.
Evren Elephant Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Caylin Cow said: How do we not have room? I want a zoo! I'll buy one myself if I have to. And Matt Damon can run it! If you have the funding, by all means by my guest! But really you ought to hire Joe Exotic for the extra attraction that he is. So by my count we have about 3 hours till these framers and investigators find out. 3 Investigators alone will be enough chaos for tomorrow, not counting ralph's nonsense with my breakfast, that really we need the framers to just stay home.
Calissa Cat Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Evren Elephant said: 3 Investigators alone will be enough chaos for tomorrow, not counting ralph's nonsense with my breakfast, that really we need the framers to just stay home. Meow. I agree with you, but furthermore we should still be wary of those who claim to have this action and claim not to use it. As Keyarra said, it’s possible we won’t get all three investigation reports back and I am struggling right now to see how these investigations will help us until we get further down the line of this crisis and maybe get some sort of pattern, because it’s going to be very difficult to trust the results I think. It might be not too bad if the insane investigator is actually told they’re insane, but then I can’t believe that would actually happen because it would then just be an inverse investigator, surely? So we won’t know which are the right results, and would anyone know if the scum got an action and didn’t claim it? Or claimed it and used it but said they stayed home? The more I think about this, the more complicated it gets. Meeoow.
Fergus Fox Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Caylin Cow said: And what's wrong with short hair? No issue with short hair, it's just that long hair is better for twiddling with. 7 hours ago, Calissa Cat said: A hairball for you to play with. You're welcome. I usually prefer it attached to someone, but sure, why not? 7 hours ago, Pembroke Panda said: Will the Loyalists get some of those roles tonight along with the rest of us? That'd mean extra actions for them, right? What is the point of us having 2 framers, it makes no sense to me that a Defector would want to frame anyone...I'm very confused by all of this. There is definitely the possibility that the trickster could give one of the actions to a loyalist. I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know anyone's alliances either at this stage. The rules suggest that some may be able to target themselves. Thoughts on whether this would apply to the trickster? Another thing to take into consideration. The set up seems to be aimed at creating as much confusion as possible. 6 hours ago, Maddock Monkey said: Isn't it obvious? We don't know how this trickster person wins. It's possible they could win with us or with the scum - the door is left open in the rules and we of course aren't privy to their role PM. The trickster may accidentally give or may even want to give the framing action to a scum to fuck with both investigators (since a frame would mess with an insane cop as well as a sane one). Since these actions seem all to be one-shot, I think our course of action should be to claim early and claim often. Perhaps the people given the investigation roles should stay quiet until tomorrow, but I think whoever is given a frame today (or any similarly anti-town action in coming days) should reveal it as early as possible. Let's put the scum into an awkward position - do they want to claim to have a frame or do they want to keep quiet? I agree that any defectors given a framing action should withhold from using it. Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but what are the reasons for claiming once you have received the action? What will we learn from that, other than whether or not the two framer actions were handed out? Do the one-shots have to be used straight away? Or can we save them for another night, when we might have more info? Could they (the framing actions) actually be useful once we have more information? I feel like we would give the loyalists information that is probably more valuable to them at this stage than us. Happy to be convinced otherwise, but I'm not seeing it at the moment. Anyone given an investigative actions should stay quiet until after they have used the action and received the outcome.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fergus Fox said: I agree that any defectors given a framing action should withhold from using it. Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but what are the reasons for claiming once you have received the action? What will we learn from that, other than whether or not the two framer actions were handed out? Do the one-shots have to be used straight away? Or can we save them for another night, when we might have more info? Could they (the framing actions) actually be useful once we have more information? I feel like we would give the loyalists information that is probably more valuable to them at this stage than us. Happy to be convinced otherwise, but I'm not seeing it at the moment. Anyone given an investigative actions should stay quiet until after they have used the action and received the outcome. how could a framing ability possibly benefit us? It can only be used to sew confusion by tripping up the investigator(s) or possibly to reverse frame a scum. Also I've never heard of a nutty investigator being TOLD that they'll get a false result. That kinda defeats the point of that role, does it not? (I think I'm responding to someone else here but it makes sense for me to mention it now I think) The reason the framers should claim is so that they can be held accountable. If someone is investigated and lynched under false pretenses then we'll know either the investigator was a dud, or one of the framers was lying. ALSO if a framer fails to claim at this juncture and is later revealed to have been the recipient of the ability, then we can be assured of their scumminess. This of course is all assuming the role recipients even KNOW what their actions would do. Considering the deep anals of history are overflowing with examples of duplicity, I wouldn't be surprised if the trickster hands out "Bananas, Apples, and Baguettes" without further explanation to the recipient than "you have an item you can use and you'll find out later what it did." Which would be hilarious but would make strategizing far more difficult. To concisely state my opinion: There is nothing Townie at all about concealing a Framing ability if you know you have one.
Fergus Fox Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 That was quick. Someone answered the questions I had by giving me a framer action. I am claiming, despite what I said like five minutes ago, because it is a compulsive action that must be used tonight.
Hayleigh Hippo Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 All this trickster talk is starting to make sense. I also took it as an NPC, but now I think it's a ridiculous 3rd party designed to give the host and his multiple personalities a good show by torturing us. I thought it was going to benefit the loyalist scum more than us, but now I realise it's just going to confuse everyone but the neutral and any psychopathic observers watching this. Like aliens. With all of that against us, I don't know where to begin. I hope the reality isn't quite so bleak, but only time will tell.
Caylin Cow Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Keyarra Crocodile said: I am in agreement with the suggestion that rancid farts ... sorry, recipients of the framer actions should claim today and not use them. I do not see any way that those roles would benefit the town at all. If by some stroking duck the framer actions end up with town defectors, then at least that only leaves the puzzle of figuring out which of the investigation results is false tomorrow, assuming of course that all three go ahead and all three report back ... I must say, it is most interesting to have some idea of what the night ahead has in store for us, it is both a blessing and curse in a way at this early stage. There should be no harm in the investigators claiming tomorrow as their one-shot actions will be gone, so at least we know we will have something to talk about. Stroking duck? Can that go into our zoo? 58 minutes ago, Evren Elephant said: If you have the funding, by all means by my guest! But really you ought to hire Joe Exotic for the extra attraction that he is. Well I need more funds. For the penguin pedicures. Believe me, their wittle toes will look the best. 33 minutes ago, Calissa Cat said: Meow. I agree with you, but furthermore we should still be wary of those who claim to have this action and claim not to use it. As Keyarra said, it’s possible we won’t get all three investigation reports back and I am struggling right now to see how these investigations will help us until we get further down the line of this crisis and maybe get some sort of pattern, because it’s going to be very difficult to trust the results I think. It might be not too bad if the insane investigator is actually told they’re insane, but then I can’t believe that would actually happen because it would then just be an inverse investigator, surely? So we won’t know which are the right results, and would anyone know if the scum got an action and didn’t claim it? Or claimed it and used it but said they stayed home? The more I think about this, the more complicated it gets. Meeoow. Why would the insane investigator be told they're insane? That's insane. It would be an inverse investigator as you have stated. Just now, Fergus Fox said: That was quick. Someone answered the questions I had by giving me a framer action. I am claiming, despite what I said like five minutes ago, because it is a compulsive action that must be used tonight. So the first claim of framer. I'm not surprised the role is compulsive. The only way we could be sure is if we designate a person the investigators investigate and hopefully everyone lives and reports back. But I doubt that will happen, and I doubt it's a good idea, as everyone would know who the target is. Anymoo, I started spiking my milk and went back to read Omrom's first post. It only says the setup for this day. Does this mean tomorrow's setup could be completely different roles? How perverse. 1 minute ago, Hayleigh Hippo said: All this trickster talk is starting to make sense. I also took it as an NPC, but now I think it's a ridiculous 3rd party designed to give the host and his multiple personalities a good show by torturing us. I thought it was going to benefit the loyalist scum more than us, but now I realise it's just going to confuse everyone but the neutral and any psychopathic observers watching this. Like aliens. With all of that against us, I don't know where to begin. I hope the reality isn't quite so bleak, but only time will tell. What if the neutral is the trickster? What if we're all just the host playing his multiple personalities? I'm udderly offended by such an idea.
Lyev Lion Posted July 13, 2020 Posted July 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Shanley Sheepdog said: the framer would frame him as guilty but the insane cop would get the opposite result; the right one. I'm presuming a insane cop can't know they're insane right? Otherwise...well...duh. 6 hours ago, Maddock Monkey said: I don't think anyone advocates for the people who get the investigations to claim straight away, but it would be nice to hear from them in the new day. Yeah unless scum want revenge and don't have anyone better to kill, there's no risk. Nice. 16 minutes ago, Fergus Fox said: That was quick. Someone answered the questions I had by giving me a framer action. I am claiming, despite what I said like five minutes ago, because it is a compulsive action that must be used tonight. Ugh I don't see anything good coming out of a framer role. And if you don't use it it'll be used anyway. Probably best to use it and then tell who you used it on in the mornig.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Aha! So we do have a claimant now. Interesting. I don't know why I failed to consider that the role would be compulsory but that makes perfect sense. Now I feel we should ensure that both framers coordinate and target the same person who's identity is publicly known so that none of the investigators waste their time on that target.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hendrick Horse said: Now I feel we should ensure that both framers coordinate and target the same person who's identity is publicly known so that none of the investigators waste their time on that target. Are you volunteering?
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Lyev Lion said: Are you volunteering? Sure, I would volunteer, but it could be anyone.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hendrick Horse said: Sure, I would volunteer, but it could be anyone. But why shouldn't the investigators investigate the framed person? If they know they're framed then they can just reverse their result accordingly. Unless of course they're insane but that's a different issue that can't be helped.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hendrick Horse said: Sure, I would volunteer, but it could be anyone. As long as both framers target the same person, and that person's identity is publicly known, we should be able to adroitly minimize the danger posed by the framers. I'd further suggest that this person be different each day, assuming a similar scenario, so that that person's affiliation can eventually be ascertained. Just now, Lyev Lion said: But why shouldn't the investigators investigate the framed person? If they know they're framed then they can just reverse their result accordingly. Unless of course they're insane but that's a different issue that can't be helped. Because we won't be able to trust that both framers actually did target that person. Also unless we have the framers ask Pernilla to clarify their ability, we can't know if they counter eachother or if a negative plus a negative simply equals a negative. There's far too much guesswork to make that strategically sound.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hendrick Horse said: Because we won't be able to trust that both framers actually did target that person. So that person should just be ignored? IMO that framed person has a better chance of being correctly investigated (again not accounting for the damn insane investigator. ) than someone random who could possibly hav3 been framed. 6 minutes ago, Hendrick Horse said: or if a negative plus a negative simply equals a negative. It probably is.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Lyev Lion said: So that person should just be ignored? IMO that framed person has a better chance of being correctly investigated (again not accounting for the damn insane investigator. ) than someone random who could possibly hav3 been framed. Yes that person should be ignored. I don't know how the 2 frames would interact but ALSO publicly announcing the investigation target is big big big big big dumb I'm not saying they should be ignored forever tho. We should switch up who gets framed. In fact! As we clear townies with the investigators we should have already cleared town members eat the frames.
Wyeth Walrus Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hendrick Horse said: I'm not saying they should be ignored forever tho. We should switch up who gets framed. In fact! As we clear townies with the investigators we should have already cleared town members eat the frames. Urf! The three investigators, two fwamews is the set up for today/tonight. We were told it would change each day. I judge it unlikely we will be able to definitively clear a townie to eat fwames tomorrow anyway.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Like for this to work we'd need to advertise someone as the target for the frames. That person and the 2 framers should be publicly known. A public investigation target is begging to be killed by the scum, or else handled with in a more sneaky way if one of the scum DID secure the framing ability.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hendrick Horse said: ALSO publicly announcing the investigation target is big big big big big dumb Obviously.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Wyeth Walrus said: Urf! The three investigators, two fwamews is the set up for today/tonight. We were told it would change each day. I judge it unlikely we will be able to definitively clear a townie to eat fwames tomorrow anyway. Ah, I must have missed that. Fair enough. Anyways tho even if this is a one-use game plan it's still better than letting the framers run amuck. 2 minutes ago, Lyev Lion said: Obviously. Then why did you suggest it then!
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hendrick Horse said: Then why did you suggest it then! I suggested they report the morning after.
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