Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Lyev Lion said: I suggested they report the morning after. No I mean why did u suggest the investigator(s) target someone who's identity would be publicly known thereby inviting subterfuge? Of course the oneshot investigators should reveal their results in the morning.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 One thing though, if the framers settle on a target together publicly, then everyone should definitely stay away from that person. What if scum had a watcher? Fuck me. Too overpowered so probably not the case but still.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Lyev Lion said: One thing though, if the framers settle on a target together publicly, then everyone should definitely stay away from that person. What if scum had a watcher? Fuck me. Too overpowered so probably not the case but still. Yesss this is what I'm trying to say.
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hendrick Horse said: Yesss this is what I'm trying to say. Yeeeeah. I see now.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 It did say in the intro though that the scum had a block and a kill. It didn't mention a watcher but I guess we can't rule that out. I'd be more worried that the scum would kill the investigation target if they were known, or, if they got the framing ability themselves, they could claim to frame but not, thereby tampering with expected results.
Wyeth Walrus Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hendrick Horse said: Like for this to work we'd need to advertise someone as the target for the frames. That person and the 2 framers should be publicly known. Urf! Are you suggesting following? the other framer should publicly declare. Then Fergus and the other framer publicly announce their target. The three investigators investigate anyone they like except the frame target. All three investigators report results first thing tomorrow morning. There are then four results, all town - the insane hit a scum, a scum are one of those three. one scum - a regular investigator hit a scum or the insane picked a town. two scum - a regular investigator picked a scum AND the insane hit a town. three scum - both investigators picked scum AND the insane picked a town. all of the above are good information to get. I judge this a good plan, assuming the second framer comes forward and neither framer nor any investigator is scum.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Wyeth Walrus said: Urf! Are you suggesting following? the other framer should publicly declare. Then Fergus and the other framer publicly announce their target. The three investigators investigate anyone they like except the frame target. All three investigators report results first thing tomorrow morning. There are then four results, all town - the insane hit a scum, a scum are one of those three. one scum - a regular investigator hit a scum or the insane picked a town. two scum - a regular investigator picked a scum AND the insane hit a town. three scum - both investigators picked scum AND the insane picked a town. all of the above are good information to get. I judge this a good plan, assuming the second framer comes forward and neither framer nor any investigator is scum. Yes this is exactly what I'm proposing. Sorry I didn't state it as neatly and organized as you have. Right well that does remind me that it's quite possible a scum could have gotten the investigator role. That said it'd be a gambit to lie and this is the first day... unless they use it to clear a fellow scum. Oof. That's a distinct possibility.
Wyeth Walrus Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Urf! So who’s the frame target? Who’s the other framer? I’d try to calculate the odds of one of roles ending up in loyalist hands, but that would require knowing how many scum there are. I judge it unlikely I’ll be given an answer to that today.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Wyeth Walrus said: Urf! So who’s the frame target? Who’s the other framer? I volunteer to be the target but the only important thing is that the 2 framers target the same person. It doesn't have to be me but we should publicly establish WHO gets targeted before the day ends otherwise.
Hinckley Posted July 14, 2020 Author Posted July 14, 2020 Voting is now open. With 13 players, it takes 7 votes to achieve a lynch. 48 hours remain in Day One.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Wyeth Walrus said: I’d try to calculate the odds of one of roles ending up in loyalist hands, but that would require knowing how many scum there are. I judge it unlikely I’ll be given an answer to that today. Just going off our numbers I'd say it's likely there are 3 scum and one neutral Twickstew, but that's just speculation based on history. Oh hey the midday thing is up! Cute!
Caylin Cow Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hendrick Horse said: I volunteer to be the target but the only important thing is that the 2 framers target the same person. It doesn't have to be me but we should publicly establish WHO gets targeted before the day ends otherwise. I must say I am very worried about people who volunteer themselves to be investigation targets. It reeks worse than the handpoo. I don't like it. It's too easy to game the system if you are one of our scum, but maybe not on day one. I propose a suggestion! As Princess of FABUrealms I move to have a second vote. We all do our normal lynch votes but we also vote for who our investigative target is, in an unofficial tally. Wait. Who was I talking to again?
Wyeth Walrus Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Urf. wow. just wow. Hendrick.... Lets tick things off one by one. first, you’re talkative, that’s not a tell in and of itself, It could be helpful town, Or it could be scum wanting to appear helpful town. Your words are on topic, but not thought through, ignoring clear information and making things more complicated than they need. second, I took your indirect suggestion that we should choose someone not to be investigated and clarified it. then you agreed thats what you meant. You’ll note I didn’t immediately put my hand up to not be investigated, though I could have. Why didn’t I? I thought it a pretty scummy move to ask to not be investigated. You were happy to leap into not being investigated though. Got something to hide? and then third, I didn’t even speculate on scum numbers, it’s a bad look. But you did, telling us there’s three (you think). Either you couldn’t resist sharing that you know more than we, or you’re sowing disinformation. That’s yet another possible tell. Now, I judge I’ve been wrong before, and could just be being paranoid, so I’d appreciate others looking over Hendricks words and letting everyone know what they see. Am I jumping at shadows or is there a case to be made against the hippo. Perhaps I’ve overlooked something.
Evren Elephant Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, Wyeth Walrus said: the other framer should publicly declare. Then Fergus and the other framer publicly announce their target. The three investigators investigate anyone they like except the frame target. All three investigators report results first thing tomorrow morning. There are then four results, all town - the insane hit a scum, a scum are one of those three. one scum - a regular investigator hit a scum or the insane picked a town. two scum - a regular investigator picked a scum AND the insane hit a town. three scum - both investigators picked scum AND the insane picked a town. all of the above are good information to get. I judge this a good plan, assuming the second framer comes forward and neither framer nor any investigator is scum. This is a great breakdown, but I don't think we exactly have a good chance of getting all this info. Assuming the trickster is one us and is unable to give themselves a power, that leaves 12 potential power bearers, and 5 powers. 42% of the people on this cramped airship have a power for tonight, and all it takes is one scum to have have a power and then the above guide can lead us straight down a goose chase for several days. 6 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: I must say I am very worried about people who volunteer themselves to be investigation targets. It reeks worse than the handpoo. I don't like it. It's too easy to game the system if you are one of our scum, but maybe not on day one. I propose a suggestion! As Princess of FABUrealms I move to have a second vote. We all do our normal lynch votes but we also vote for who our investigative target is, in an unofficial tally. Why the hell would we publicly decide on an investigation target? This just makes a scum framer almost deadly.
Maddock Monkey Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Hendrick Horse said: Wow that is vewy wude. Poop belongs on the floor where your standing or the basket under your butt! Not in anyone's hands! A poop in the hand is worth two on the floor. Because then you can put it in the firebox to keep our floating ship in the air. And it's much more civilized to pick up poops. Have you ever seen Seamus Sheepdog's human picking up after him? It's so we can fling it into the steam engines. Very high-class and primate in fashion, unlike certain barnyard denizens. 1 hour ago, Caylin Cow said: What if the neutral is the trickster? I thought this was taken as read? 1 hour ago, Hendrick Horse said: Now I feel we should ensure that both framers coordinate and target the same person who's identity is publicly known so that none of the investigators waste their time on that target. Or secretly tell 5 or so people after dark so statistically they end up contacting an investigator in case someone kills them in the night 35 minutes ago, Wyeth Walrus said: Urf! So who’s the frame target? Who’s the other framer? I'd like to know this too!
Lyev Lion Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: I must say I am very worried about people who volunteer themselves to be investigation targets. It reeks worse than the handpoo. I don't like it. It's too easy to game the system if you are one of our scum, but maybe not on day one. Yeah this was my intial reason for bringing it up. I joked he might want to volunteer but now he's done so. But unless it's some extremely risky WIFOM I don't think he's scum trying to avoid being investigated. Or maybe it's not risky and it's the best WIFOM opportunity ever. Still. 11 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: I must say I am very worried about people who volunteer themselves to be investigation targets. It reeks worse than the handpoo. I don't like it. It's too easy to game the system if you are one of our scum, but maybe not on day one. Oh wait did you mean to say framer targets or did you think he meant volunteering to be a investigator target? 3 minutes ago, Evren Elephant said: Why the hell would we publicly decide on an investigation target? This just makes a scum framer almost deadly. See above. Gotta nip it in the butt before there's confusion.
Hendrick Horse Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: I must say I am very worried about people who volunteer themselves to be investigation targets. It reeks worse than the handpoo. I don't like it. It's too easy to game the system if you are one of our scum, but maybe not on day one. I propose a suggestion! As Princess of FABUrealms I move to have a second vote. We all do our normal lynch votes but we also vote for who our investigative target is, in an unofficial tally. I'm not volunteering to be Investigated tonight, I'm volunteering to be the target of the framers. I only volunteered because I figured it would save us time. If there's another person you'd propose I'm fine with that as long as we pick ONE PERSON by the end of the day. 26 minutes ago, Wyeth Walrus said: Hendrick.... Lets tick things off one by one. first, you’re talkative, that’s not a tell in and of itself, It could be helpful town, Or it could be scum wanting to appear helpful town. Your words are on topic, but not thought through, ignoring clear information and making things more complicated than they need. second, I took your indirect suggestion that we should choose someone not to be investigated and clarified it. then you agreed thats what you meant. You’ll note I didn’t immediately put my hand up to not be investigated, though I could have. Why didn’t I? I thought it a pretty scummy move to ask to not be investigated. You were happy to leap into not being investigated though. Got something to hide? and then third, I didn’t even speculate on scum numbers, it’s a bad look. But you did, telling us there’s three (you think). Either you couldn’t resist sharing that you know more than we, or you’re sowing disinformation. That’s yet another possible tell. Now, I judge I’ve been wrong before, and could just be being paranoid, so I’d appreciate others looking over Hendricks words and letting everyone know what they see. Am I jumping at shadows or is there a case to be made against the hippo. Perhaps I’ve overlooked something. 1. Yes? I have some free time at the moment and I want to dig into this historic mystery! I'm taking the opportunity I have to be talkative and trying to parse the setup so that we can best organize ourselves to handle the trickster's oddball actions. 2. I like that you're trying not to be scummy. That's a very townie thing to say. Suspicious wording aside I volunteered to save time and because it was my idea for which I'd be content taking responsibility. Also I personally can't think of anyone I'd rather see in the position. It is perhaps rather selfish of me, but I'd rather see someone who's affiliation I don't already know be looked into 3. Again, really glad to see you're thinking so intently about how your actions look. I didn't idly speculate to fill space. I think everyone here will note that I'm filling up way too much space as it is. I speculated because you (or whomever I was talking to.) Indicated you couldn't possibly guess. There's clearly either 3 or 4 if this is as normal a setup as priscilla claims, and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest the likely number as one of those. You could have run your calculations under either assumption or both. 26 minutes ago, Lyev Lion said: Gotta nip it in the butt before there's confusion. Yeah seriously. No one should be discussing who to investigate publicly. I am simply proposing that it'd be dangerous for us if no one volunteers to be the recipient of both framings. 35 minutes ago, Maddock Monkey said: Or secretly tell 5 or so people after dark so statistically they end up contacting an investigator in case someone kills them in the night I mean, they could do that? But I think that's way less useful and difficult to coordinate than simply publicly claiming as framers as Foxiepoo has done, and picking a single target to be framed by both.
Hayleigh Hippo Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, Wyeth Walrus said: Now, I judge I’ve been wrong before, and could just be being paranoid, so I’d appreciate others looking over Hendricks words and letting everyone know what they see. Am I jumping at shadows or is there a case to be made against the hippo. Perhaps I’ve overlooked something. I do think that Hendrick is suspicious. Did you mean a case to be made against the horse? As an actual hippo, confusing him for one is insulting to one or both of us, I'm not sure which.
Caylin Cow Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Evren Elephant said: Why the hell would we publicly decide on an investigation target? This just makes a scum framer almost deadly. So we could figure out who's crazy or not. I never said it was a good idea. I may have misread something I was responding to. 27 minutes ago, Maddock Monkey said: A poop in the hand is worth two on the floor. Because then you can put it in the firebox to keep our floating ship in the air. And it's much more civilized to pick up poops. Have you ever seen Seamus Sheepdog's human picking up after him? It's so we can fling it into the steam engines. Very high-class and primate in fashion, unlike certain barnyard denizens. I thought this was taken as read? How could I pick up my poop? I have hooves. It would behoove you to notice that next time, sweatie. But why use your hands at all? Why not use a shovel? Or use it to make crops grow. That's what I use mine for. And to get high on. What do you mean by read? That the trickster is automatically the neutral? Because some people speculated that we had the neutral and then the trickster might have been someone else. 26 minutes ago, Lyev Lion said: Yeah this was my intial reason for bringing it up. I joked he might want to volunteer but now he's done so. But unless it's some extremely risky WIFOM I don't think he's scum trying to avoid being investigated. Or maybe it's not risky and it's the best WIFOM opportunity ever. Still. Oh wait did you mean to say framer targets or did you think he meant volunteering to be a investigator target? I thought he meant volunteering for investigator target. Just now, Hendrick Horse said: I'm not volunteering to be Investigated tonight, I'm volunteering to be the target of the framers. I only volunteered because I figured it would save us time. If there's another person you'd propose I'm fine with that as long as we pick ONE PERSON by the end of the day. See my reply to that stunning lion. After realizing you were volunteering for being the target of the framers, I'm not as concerned. Just now, Hayleigh Hippo said: I do think that Hendrick is suspicious. Did you mean a case to be made against the horse? As an actual hippo, confusing him for one is insulting to one or both of us, I'm not sure which. Are you hungry my dear hippo friend?
Hayleigh Hippo Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Caylin Cow said: Are you hungry my dear hippo friend? I'm always hungry, I could really go for a big grass and fruit sandwich right about now! Maybe it will help me think more clearly. None of this is making any sense to me.
Caylin Cow Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Hayleigh Hippo said: I'm always hungry, I could really go for a big grass and fruit sandwich right about now! Maybe it will help me think more clearly. None of this is making any sense to me. Oh that does sound scrumptious. Just like my recently deceased prince was. Anyway, I'm Caylin Cow. What's your name?
Pembroke Panda Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hayleigh Hippo said: I'm always hungry, I could really go for a big grass and fruit sandwich right about now! Maybe it will help me think more clearly. None of this is making any sense to me. I've got a nice collection of mustards here for your sandwich if you'd like to partake. I like gold color of the Dijon, but the choice is purely up to you. Lets see here, I've got classic yellow mustard, dijon mustard, spicy brown mustard, Pinot Noir mustard, whole grain stout beer, English mustard, Chinese mustard, honey dijon and even a spicy! habanero mustard. No sandwich is complete without mustard, you see! Speaking of complete, how completely insane is it to volunteer to be targeted by both framers but then insist on not being investigated That's some super suspicious "volunteer" work right there.
Maddock Monkey Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: After realizing you were volunteering for being the target of the framers, I'm not as concerned. Volunteering to be framed is tacitly volunteering not to be investigated, on a night when there are three investigators in play. I wouldn't be surprised if we never had this setup again, or at least not for several days. If you're scum and you can avoid being investigated tonight, you clear a pretty high hurdle. Should we decide the frame target in a deterministic but not predetermined fashion? Suggestion: At some point the captain must post the first vote tally. Let us enumerate ourselves alphabetically, from zero (Calissa) to twelve (Wyeth). Then we take the number of the post containing the first vote tally modulo 13 and see who it is. Just now, Pembroke Panda said: No sandwich is complete without mustard, you see! Especially not HAM SANDWICHes, with some of that Dijon
Pembroke Panda Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, Maddock Monkey said: Especially not HAM SANDWICHes, with some of that Dijon No doubt about it! Honey or regular, my good monkey?
Hayleigh Hippo Posted July 14, 2020 Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: Just like my recently deceased prince was. Oh dear, such a loss must be a great burden to bear. Er, um, I mean, I'm so sorry for your loss! 5 minutes ago, Caylin Cow said: Anyway, I'm Caylin Cow. What's your name? I'm Hayleigh Hippo, Mistress of Coin. We've known each other for years, I'm sure you're just distracted by your recent trauma and forgot. Just now, Pembroke Panda said: I've got a nice collection of mustards here for your sandwich if you'd like to partake. Mustard might be nice, it's made of plants and I do love plants! Thank you! Just now, Maddock Monkey said: Volunteering to be framed is tacitly volunteering not to be investigated That's the part that bothered me the most.
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