Pirates Mafia III - Day Three

[Emmett Ware]

8 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

But he did not ask about the other three as for now, he pointed out validly his points about Alex.

I'd rather tell you what I think of them.

Robin: Seemed to be voting for you for similar reasons as my own at the time. That didn't seem suspicious and still doesn't. I was more bothered that he seemed to push for a roleclaim and then backed off, like he had accomplished a goal. Not following up and helping with the lynch of Joshua struck me as off as well. I'm glad we're reviewing this, it is helping me connect things I hadn't put together before.

Fred: It may be foolish, but I've leaned towards trusting him ever since he and I were mistakenly identified as promoting no lynch when neither of us did that. 

Trenton: Until today, I didn't know this person existed. They fall in my category of people I haven't formed an impression of because they're quiet. Maybe I missed them in the early walls of text and if so, I apologize.

[Fabien Bellamy]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

 So his answers were truly not enough. Yes, Justin you need to claim or you'll get lynched, it is obvious. Fabien warns us not to rolefish yet does not reply anything to Justin's answers, which means he has either a better read or information on him, or he is the one actually fishing for his claim. See, this is why I find rolefish accusations tedious at this moment. All this game is about is information fishing. 

Honestly I don't see what part of Justin's answers made you change your mind about him and unvote. It's not a defense, it's a counter-attack. You've read my reasons for voting him, how in the world could he explain away that the timing of his votes is suspicious? It's an accusation based on facts, and maybe he's an unlucky townie who just happened to have voted in a disturbing pattern, but in my opinion it's a good theory that I'd like to test.

And about fishing: I didn't accuse anyone of fishing... yet. I'm only warning you of not doing it. Those who think that the point of voting is fishing for claims, are thinking like Scum.

33 minutes ago, Robin Tremblay said:

I think the more people that do benefits town more than scum.

Can you elaborate on that idea?

[Daniel Lucas]

1 minute ago, Emmett Ware said:

Trenton: Until today, I didn't know this person existed. They fall in my category of people I haven't formed an impression of because they're quiet. Maybe I missed them in the early walls of text and if so, I apologize.

I'm reluctant to belive you on this. You just said your take was the same as Robin's. True. But you say you don't know anything about Trentont. But here is you referencing my quote on them:

On 4/12/2020 at 3:59 AM, Emmett Ware said:

It's hard to argue with their claim that you're not helping. At this point, I am less bothered by lurkers than people intentionally dominating the chat by spewing constant walls of quotes and text, especially when they aren't always relevant or accurate. That isn't helpful, pure and simple, no debate required.

If we continue to allow you to flood the days with babble, we're going to end up killed by the scum during the nights. That's enough reason for me to vote.

Vote: Daniel Lucas

You meant Robin's and Trenton's "Daniel is unhelpful" vote by this. You also clearly voiced you are less bothered by their lurking. Now you seem to be bothered by their lurking. And you voiced the same it isn't helpful vote.

I am still kind of dominating a chat. So nothing really changed. This means the only reason lurking was not a problem is to give a reason vote on me. This was instantly followed by the Joshua vote. Now Joshua was not leading as a lynch candidate, good for him.

But I claimed jailer. Joshua, the scum, is dead. Now their lurking is instanlty voiced by you and now you don't even seem to remember who Trenton is.

Sorry guys, I now I flipped back from Justin. Yes. I don't have any read on him. Go lynch him, let him speak for himself, but this one I can't ignore.

Vote. Emmett Ware

 

[Vincent Denis]

57 minutes ago, Robin Tremblay said:

Assuming you are town, if Vincent died and was town, then you would be blamed. Day 3 would be your lynching and on day 4 we would learn you were telling your truth. That would have been a major set back, and could be avoided if Vincent survived. 

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Busy day cleaning the tuba. A crow flew into it, very messy. I don't have much time and, of course, a lot I want to respond to. This quote pinged the living shit out of me.

Robin, your reason for considering protecting me is based on Daniel and I both being town. Like, you seem really sure of it. Like you have information, sure. 

I have a lot more to add, but there's plenty of time. I'm not sure when I'll be able to chime in but I bet you're all just waiting with baited breath to hear what I have to say. In reality, I imagine you all enjoyed the quiet. 

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[Emmett Ware]

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

You meant Robin's and Trenton's "Daniel is unhelpful" vote by this. You also clearly voiced you are less bothered by their lurking. Now you seem to be bothered by their lurking. And you voiced the same it isn't helpful vote.

Multiple people said you weren't being helpful. Repeatedly. As for lurking, if my opinion changed, it would be due to the decrease in the Daniel/Vincent show allowing people more opportunity to participate, but I never said I was bothered by lurking, just that it made it hard to get a read on the lurkers. Very different points.

Just now, Daniel Lucas said:

Sorry guys, I now I flipped back from Justin. Yes. I don't have any read on him. Go lynch him, let him speak for himself, but this one I can't ignore.

Vote. Emmett Ware

You really do thrive on the OMGUS. I sincerely believe that the only reason for both of your votes against me is because of my vote against you and the fact that I kept pointing out that you weren't being helpful. Instead of changing that and being helpful, here we are again.

You're not even vaguely making sense now. If you really want to protect Justin, consider that duly noted.

 

[Robin Tremblay]

5 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

Robin, your reason for considering protecting me is based on Daniel and I both being town. Like, you seem really sure of it. Like you have information, sure. 

I didn’t have information, it’s day 2, most of us are good guys. Think about it from my perspective, the most drama from the day was the Daniel/Vincent show. I didn’t have anything else to go on but odds. 

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Emmett Ware said:

Multiple people said you weren't being helpful. Repeatedly. As for lurking, if my opinion changed, it would be due to the decrease in the Daniel/Vincent show allowing people more opportunity to participate, but I never said I was bothered by lurking, just that it made it hard to get a read on the lurkers. Very different points.

You was replying to me when I've quoted Robin and Trenton. Also you said: It's hard to argue with their claim that you're not helping. Robin was one of them and you just pointed out that you remember having the same take:

32 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said:

Robin: Seemed to be voting for you for similar reasons as my own at the time. That didn't seem suspicious and still doesn't.

Robin was nothing more of an active player than Trenton. I just totally can't believe you would not remember Trenton voicing the same with an actual vote.

Also do you want to say you are not bothered now by lurking? You were not, while I was dominating the chat. There is the quote. Again, I'm still very active. No need to talk about Vincent's part in it now, because you had no problem with Vincent before. So it was obviously just me you had a problem with and not Vincent.

Again, I'm still the most active one, I still dominating the thread. Also here is Trenton's vote on me:

On 4/11/2020 at 2:29 PM, Trenton Monette said:

Daniel's PM to Vincent feels off too. And I don't think he's been very helpful at all. The problem is that the longer the two of them are both around and arguing the longer other players slip under the radar and we waste time bickering.

Vote: Daniel Lucas

How would you ever miss this? You practically parroted him. Just as Joshua parroted Fred. He instantly jumped on me after your vote.

Also Trenton unvoted me instantly after my claim. This was not helpful for Joshua's case. I don't see him being the scum, also considering you was the one parroting his reasons to vote on me. Fred and Robin claimed town and unless you guys have any more information then I do, I can't say they were the scum.

You was the only one who did not even considered not voting for me after my claim. Which means me claiming jailer did not convince you. But you are not voting for me now, even as I'm still dominating the chat. This would still suggest you still must find me more unhelpful than the lurkers.

3 hours ago, Emmett Ware said:

I'll add this: There are people who have been so quiet that I haven't gotten a decent read on them. Too many of them, at this point. That means that most of my focus has to go to the people who either say a lot, or who have specific points that have caught my attention, like the vanilla thing with Alex. I honestly don't know any other way to proceed.

But here you talk about the inactive players not getting focus instead of the active ones. This is the complete opposite of the reason you were voting on me for.

Yes, I think you are the scum who helped build Joshua the bandwagon on me. And since it has failed you are not voicing the same issues about me, even as you have the same reason to do so if you were telling the truth back then.

[Vincent Denis]

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2 hours ago, Robin Tremblay said:

My protecting ability is limited and I don’t want to waste it. I didn’t target anyone on N1. On N2 i wanted to protect Vincent because I didn’t trust you, and since you and Vincent argued a lot yesterday I thought he would be targeted.

Again, my vote on you was because you were annoying and creating a toxic environment, which is something that benefits scum. After you claimed it seemed plausible that you were town, but I still didn’t trust you. So why would I want to reach out to you? You didn’t reach out to me either. Your behavior D1, D2 was insane. Based on what I know now, I would describe you as Chaotic Town.

1 hour ago, Robin Tremblay said:

Assuming you are town, if Vincent died and was town, then you would be blamed. Day 3 would be your lynching and on day 4 we would learn you were telling your truth. That would have been a major set back, and could be avoided if Vincent survived. 

OK, help me out here because I'm really trying to understand what you're saying. On night two, you wanted to protect me, but didn't. Or were you blocked?

You wanted to target me because your didn't trust Daniel, even after the roleclaim. I do agree with you that Daniel can be described as Chaotic Town if he's town. Help me out because you seem to have two thoughts there. "I don't trust you," but I "describe you as Chaotic Town" is what you say to Daniel. The whole sentence doesn't scan together with you not trusting him, yet describing him as town.

In the second post, you are responding to Daniel's question about (paraphrasing) "How dumb would I have to be to go after Vincent for two days and then kill him at night, knowing he'd flip town?" and your story seems to change to "Well, I thought it would save us two townies if I protected him."

See why I'm confused?

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[Robin Tremblay]

Just now, Vincent Denis said:

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OK, help me out here because I'm really trying to understand what you're saying. On night two, you wanted to protect me, but didn't. Or were you blocked?

You wanted to target me because your didn't trust Daniel, even after the roleclaim. I do agree with you that Daniel can be described as Chaotic Town if he's town. Help me out because you seem to have two thoughts there. "I don't trust you," but I "describe you as Chaotic Town" is what you say to Daniel. The whole sentence doesn't scan together with you not trusting him, yet describing him as town.

In the second post, you are responding to Daniel's question about (paraphrasing) "How dumb would I have to be to go after Vincent for two days and then kill him at night, knowing he'd flip town?" and your story seems to change to "Well, I thought it would save us two townies if I protected him."

See why I'm confused?

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I was unsuccessful N2 in protecting you. Daniel says he jailed me N2.

After what happened since D2/N2 I believe he is town. But on Day2/N2 I wasn’t sure. I wanted to hedge my bets. 

[Daniel Lucas]

Also I've just checked and this was the vote count before Emmett and Joshua jumped on my wagon:

On 4/12/2020 at 2:46 AM, Bob said:

Vote Count:
Aiden Leon - 1 (Daniel Lucas)
Joshua Levitt - 3 (Jean Pelley, Andrew Laurent, Vincent Denis)
Daniel Lucas - 3 (Robin Tremblay, Fred Dumont, Trenton Monette)
Vincent Denis - 1 (Justin Reynaud)

With 14 players, a majority of 8 is required. About 68 or so hours remain in this day.

Vincent took the last vote here on Joshua, making him having the same amount of votes as I do.

Three posts later came Emmett with the quick and same reason to vote on me. Calling my unhelpful. But if I was the unhelpful, it clearly meant Vincent and Jean should have been the helpful one. Why did you not listen to them in this case? There were already 3 votes on a scum Joshua, so clearly you could've read their arguments as well. How did you miss that being so focused on me?

Also Joshua already had 2 votes when Robin started giving the first vote on me.

Considering what Vincent has just pointed out about Robin as well, I would not even be surprised if two other scum besides Joshua would've started the wagon on me and not one.

[Vincent Denis]

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16 hours ago, Alex Howe said:

Hi all! Sorry, I have been so busy with my morning soldierly duties I have only just had time to join you all! So sorry!

...

Hope the above is of assistance!

Honestly, why is anyone buying this? Every syllable seems forced. This is the most epic case of flying under the radar and succeeding. "Well, I'm vanilla. Everyone else has a role but it's not role madness, just little old me, vanilla. Nothing else to add. The town forgot to PM me their strategy to me so I'm out of here for a good 96 hours or more now."

15 hours ago, Justin Reynaud said:

Here are the current players and their claims:

Fred Dumont - Town Blocker
Peter Lyon - No claim
Daniel Lucas - Town Jail-keeper
Trenton Monette - No claim
Justin Reynaud - Minor Role
Emmett Ware - Minor Role
Andrew Laurent - Town Vanilaizer
Aiden Leon - Role
Alex Howe - Vanilla
Fabien Bellamy - No claim
Vincent Denis - Role
Robin Tremblay - Minor Role

So out of the 12 players we have left, 3 have made no claims either way to having a role. 1 has claimed Vanilla. Seems possible that it's not role madness, but not likely in my opinion.

Yeah, about that. Is this a repeat of the last game where the scum are the quiet ones and all of us townies are screaming at each other at pointing paranoid fingers at each other while the scum are like "Ha, ha. dummies." Alex, Trenton, Peter, Fabien? We have 50 blockers and the random claim of a limited use "knight."  And a bunch of us claiming "role" or "minor role." We have three blockers for a reason. Would the town have three blockers in a game that isn't role madness? If we believe Alex's weird vanilla claim, why aren't we looking these gift blockers in the mouth? Or are they blocker horses? And what exactly the fuck is a knight?? How is this not the main focus of today?

Where the hell is Aiden? He kind of disappeared, hasn't he? He's a blank book, so far as I can tell. And these unspecific role claimers, of which I'm one, could also be scum in a role madness game. What are the possibilities in a non-role-madness game of 16 players, there would be a total of three vanilla players? I'm asking seriously. Just claiming "role" is a good place for scum to hide as well. Granted, that points the finger at me, and I don't plan to claim in-thread, but you should all be thinking it. Two "minor role" claims, two "role" claims and three "no-claims." Interesting. Robin claims a protection action and calls it "minor?" Even limited use, protection is a powerful tool. We had three blockers and a protector in Pirates II, btw, which was role madness.

The other end of this is one of the things that continues to fuel my suspicion of Andrew and Justin. If they had an idea of what happened in the last game, they would know that the inactive people flipped scum, so they poked the inactive players right away. As much as Justin wants to tell us that he's been super active, his post count doesn't reflect this. Not that quantity matters over quality, but man, that guys can out-wall-of-text any of us.

15 hours ago, Justin Reynaud said:

Putting this at the end so it doesn't get missed, but please follow my reasoning above!

Vote: Vincent Denis

Yes, we get it. I suspect you and annoy you, therefore scum. You make a great case.  Look, you've shaken my confidence in suspecting you and that's not sarcasm. I'm not sure on you at all, how could I be? Our job is to point out our suspicions and you've pinged me a lot. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry it's annoying you. I was seriously annoyed by Daniel's insistence that I'm scum when I know damn well I'm not, so I get that. I'm not going to respond to every point, but I'll re-iterate what pings me about you. I wanted to get the vote and suspicions out early so you and everybody else had plenty of time to respond. I'm curious about on thing, if you stop by before I get to responding, what besides suspecting you, posting walls of text and annoying makes you think I'm scum? What about my actions leads you to believe that I'm playing a scum game? That is unclear to me right now.

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[Emmett Ware]

31 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said:

Also I've just checked and this was the vote count before Emmett and Joshua jumped on my wagon:

Still only obsessed with yourself. Useless as ever.

1 minute ago, Vincent Denis said:

Honestly, why is anyone buying this? Every syllable seems forced. This is the most epic case of flying under the radar and succeeding. "Well, I'm vanilla. Everyone else has a role but it's not role madness, just little old me, vanilla. Nothing else to add. The town forgot to PM me their strategy to me so I'm out of here for a good 96 hours or more now."

Alex and his no-role/vanilla claim is easily the most disturbing thing of the day, aside from the fact that I was the only one to actually reply to it and when I tried to get anyone else to say anything, it really didn't go anywhere. I'm glad you're finally able to look at it and say something though, it helps me feel a little less crazy thinking it's weird. Oh yes, before he cries foul, Daniel made a post claiming to agree with me, then promptly dropped it and it hasn't come up again, because he's only concerned about himself.

[Daniel Lucas]

7 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said:

Still only obsessed with yourself. Useless as ever.

Dear god, thanks for being specific. You guys are really the champions of arguments. But "Facts are facts and no need for debate".

9 minutes ago, Emmett Ware said:

Oh yes, before he cries foul, Daniel made a post claiming to agree with me, then promptly dropped it and it hasn't come up again, because he's only concerned about himself.

This is your defense, really? Trying to discredit me again?

What else should I say about Alex? I've voiced my opinion. What do you expect of me to do, vote him? You guys are all going for Justin now. What are you trying to achieve, poke people to help you out on Justin? I helped, he responded. I figured he can be a scum naturally but I just don't have any read on him that would be better than I'm having on you.

Go for it, I don't have any useful intel on him. I'm eager to see his further defense. Fabien just said he needs no claim from him to change his mind, because he is already sure he is the best suspect and needs to be lynched. Fine. Lynch him. If scum, yay. If not, you can explain why not taking more attention about the bandwagon on me.

How am I being concerned about myself?  What is that even supposed to mean? I'm being open and consistent about my theory of the 4 players because either you say none of them was scum and Joshua tried to help himself by building another wagon alone - while no scum helped him whatsoever - or give me a better name. None of you have disagreed that some scum might helped out Joshua to turn the tide. Also we are not going to get such a small scope for a potential scum again.

I gave my conclusions why you are the most suspicious. I voiced my concerns about Robin too, which Vincent pointed out as well. He claimed. Fred too. I can also just repeat that, scum had no reason to stop pushing me, but Trenton did and you did not. Facts are facts. No need for debate.

 

[Aiden Leon]

So we have another role claim pointing us towards this again being role madness which makes it unlikely that Alex is Vanilla (and might I say his claim was extremely long which furthers my suspicion of him since all he really had to say was "I'm Vanilla. Weird right?"), however this additional claim is a claim of Knight from Robin, which he says is limited, and that he protected Vincent N2 (unsuccesful since he was jailed by Daniel) because scum might kill him to frame Daniel (an interesting reason, but not a very good one since why the hell would scum want to murder and frame their main attractions who keep the attention off themselves???).

We also of course have Andrew and his not-a-scum-role role claim which he explained by repeating what I speculated it to be. (I'mma copystrike yo ass boi!)

And Justin who hasen't claimed yet?...

[Daniel Lucas]

Just now, Aiden Leon said:

...because scum might kill him to frame Daniel (an interesting reason, but not a very good one since why the hell would scum want to murder and frame their main attractions who keep the attention off themselves???).

Happy to be at your service dear Aiden. Vincent just started to miss you.

I think most of us agree that Alex is shady AF. Also I talk just enough about one of Robin, Fred, Trenton and Emmett is a potential scum. Justin is getting some focus with a couple of votes as well, I'm sure you've noticed. Vincent is being Vincent, I'd like him being hanged but just started to think he might be actually Town. Fabien and Peter are in a very convenient position on their vote on Justin without really being pressured whatsoever. I am completely in agreement that some questions should be made addressed to them as well. I've already done so with Fabien. Only Peter remains. And this is the whole party.

So which scum is not getting the attention because of my main attraction in your opinion? You?

* Oh and yes, the cheeky Andrew. I almost forgot. The blocker with an idiotic name. He is the one?

[Aiden Leon]

1 minute ago, Daniel Lucas said:

You?

I can't think of anyone in particular, but that's not so much the idea. I mainly just find Robin's reasoning flawed and made up in a half-ass manner.

[Vincent Denis]

On 4/17/2020 at 1:48 AM, Daniel Lucas said:

Let meg guess, it was the ever wise Effhan Dunn. 

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I had actually been referring to you.

So, let me double check this.

1. We want to know if it's role madness.
2. Alex claimed vanilla
3. Alex has made 2 posts, maybe? none of which has any substance
4. We are not lynching Alex

Shouldn't we be lynching Alex?

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[Bob]

Vote Count:
Justin Reynaud - 5 (Vincent Denis, Fabien Bellamy, Emmett Ware, Peter Lyon, Robin Tremblay
Emmett Ware - 1 (Daniel Lucas)

A bit less than 47 hours remains in this day.

[Robin Tremblay]

1 hour ago, Vincent Denis said:

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I had actually been referring to you.

So, let me double check this.

1. We want to know if it's role madness.
2. Alex claimed vanilla
3. Alex has made 2 posts, maybe? none of which has any substance
4. We are not lynching Alex

Shouldn't we be lynching Alex?

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Ya, his vanilla claim is suspicious. Unvote: Justin Reynaud

Vote: Alex Howe

[Fred Dumont]

15 hours ago, Robin Tremblay said:

What do you want to know? I’m a knight, I protect my target.

Wut...?

Back to the Mr. Howe claim thing, is that a policy breaking thing? He said "explicitly said vanilla" or similar, but didn't actually pull out official quotes. I can see it either way for policy. Getting away from the policy side, his being the only vanilla while everyone else has said some variation of blocker or "minor role" is the biggest concern.

Vote: Alex Howe

And sorry for being absent. I've been eating my weight.

[Fabien Bellamy]

By the way, Daniel, did you tell us what led you to target Alex on night 1? Had he already claimed vanilla to you?

[Vincent Denis]

31 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said:

By the way, Daniel, did you tell us what led you to target Alex on night 1? Had he already claimed vanilla to you?

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What would this look like? 

Night One

Alex: Hi, Daniel! I'm vanilla.

Daniel: Imma block this bitch.

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[Fabien Bellamy]

2 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said:

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What would this look like?  

Night One 

Alex: Hi, Daniel! I'm vanilla. 

Daniel: Imma block this bitch. 

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Depends on whether he believed the claim.

I'm trying to understand Daniel's choice. He didn't vote for Alex on day one, he could have chosen to jail you or Aiden, but didn't.

Unless his plan was to *protect* Alex, but at that point in the game it was probably more productive for a Jailer to look for someone to block rather than someone to protect.

4 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

Shouldn't we be lynching Alex?

Ping.

[Vincent Denis]

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15 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said:

Depends on whether he believed the claim.

I'm trying to understand Daniel's choice. He didn't vote for Alex on day one, he could have chosen to jail you or Aiden, but didn't.

Unless his plan was to *protect* Alex, but at that point in the game it was probably more productive for a Jailer to look for someone to block rather than someone to protect.

If you dig through all of his words, he suspected Alex and Aiden all day as he saw Alex as defending me. I think his choice makes sense if he was suspicious of all three of us and we were all three scum, the quietest one would likely be the one chosen to perform the night kill. 

15 minutes ago, Fabien Bellamy said:

Ping.

Oh yeah? Why's that?

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[Justin Reynaud]

I'd be lying if I claimed anything but relief that there is some attention being drawn away from me. But I hope my jumping back into the fray helps convince some of you that I am indeed town.

14 hours ago, Fabien Bellamy said:

But here's the essence of why I'm voting for Justin: he voted for a known Scum twice, once at the very beginning of Day 1 when it was totally inconsequential, then at the end of Day 2 when Joshua's lynch was inevitable, and therefore the vote also inconsequential. What better way to try and dissociate yourself from your Scum buddy?

It's not a proof of Justin's guilt, nothing short of a night result ever will. But it's good enough for me. And I don't need him to claim, Scum can claim very convincingly too.

This is a very succinct summary. And I can totally see why you want to vote for me. I am a townie who happened to vote in an unfortunate pattern. But I get that that's not enough to convince anyone. If I were in your shoes I'd be voting for me too.

17 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said:

This case I will do my part as well and unvote you. However Peter did vote you in the meantime, so the numbers do not change on you. That is an interesting take from him, since you really answered in a very long post, while he said he is waiting for your take on the accusation. 

Yes, and this pings me very hard that Peter is scummy. But, I went back and looked at his posting history this stood out to me:

On 4/13/2020 at 4:33 PM, Peter Lyon said:

I still think Fred's among the scummiest right now.  I think some of his more recent comments ping me less, but it's the earlier behavior that bothers me.  First, asking for the lynch/no-lynch stance but not commenting until others had.  Later, following other people's votes around.  Lastly, pushing hard for Alex to confirm/deny Daniel's claim.

In the meantime, Vote: Joshua Levitt

The lynch on Joshua is stalling out and I think there's something to the charges against him.  I don't much care to nitpick someone's actions when they aren't feeling well, which is why I've held off on joining to this point, but I don't want us to lose momentum here given that he is still suspicous.

His was the 5th vote on Joshua and verbally stated he wanted to keep the lynch from stalling. If he was scum, this would be a very odd play indeed.

 

17 hours ago, Daniel Lucas said:

I feel the same now with Vincent. I wanted to help him out if hi is truly a town with some knowledge and make pressure on you. Your answer gives me hope you are Town. I'd be interested to see Vincent's resposne to your answers. I see Emmett already posted but did not ask you anything. Which means he alread made up his mind about you and don't cares. It seems he just likes the wagon growing and that is enough for him. I don't know where to put this.

Emmett has an interesting track record. He did not vote on Day1 and was the 7th (right before mine) vote on Day 2 for Joshua. If he is scum and is just trying to bandwagon me, his voting pattern could fit. But I don't know if it's enough to lynch him at this point. I think Robin is much scummier now and I think attention is better placed on him.

 

15 hours ago, Robin Tremblay said:

I would like Justin to come forward and claim. I think the more people that do benefits town more than scum. 

Vote: Justin Reynaud

3 hours ago, Robin Tremblay said:

Ya, his vanilla claim is suspicious. Unvote: Justin Reynaud

Vote: Alex Howe

Let me point out some things that ping me as scummy here. First, Robin has been one of the most quiet players. Then he comes out and claims a knight PR. Now he is jumping from wagon to wagon. I'll put my vote at the end, but this is very suspicious.

 

12 hours ago, Vincent Denis said:

The other end of this is one of the things that continues to fuel my suspicion of Andrew and Justin. If they had an idea of what happened in the last game, they would know that the inactive people flipped scum, so they poked the inactive players right away. As much as Justin wants to tell us that he's been super active, his post count doesn't reflect this. Not that quantity matters over quality, but man, that guys can out-wall-of-text any of us.

Yes, we get it. I suspect you and annoy you, therefore scum. You make a great case.  Look, you've shaken my confidence in suspecting you and that's not sarcasm. I'm not sure on you at all, how could I be? Our job is to point out our suspicions and you've pinged me a lot. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry it's annoying you. I was seriously annoyed by Daniel's insistence that I'm scum when I know damn well I'm not, so I get that. I'm not going to respond to every point, but I'll re-iterate what pings me about you. I wanted to get the vote and suspicions out early so you and everybody else had plenty of time to respond. I'm curious about on thing, if you stop by before I get to responding, what besides suspecting you, posting walls of text and annoying makes you think I'm scum? What about my actions leads you to believe that I'm playing a scum game? That is unclear to me right now.

This whole comment is why I find you scummy. First you claim I would know that inactive people are scum so I poked them. But you want to call me scum? Those two things don't mesh. Next you say I'm not super active. And it's true that I don't have the highest post count, but then you say I can text-wall right along with you guys. So which do you want, quality or quantity? And it's not that you suspect me that makes me find you scummy, just one more thing you seem to fabricate. It's that all your reasons for attacking people seem made up. I know we need to analyze the smallest detail in this game to find the scum. But you seem to be analyzing made up details. And why would you need to do that unless you were scum?

That said, I'm ready to call a truce of sorts. It's well known that my gut says your scum. I'm also pinged very hard by Daniel. If we analyze voting patterns on him, he was the 2nd person to vote on Aiden at the end of Day 1 along with myself and Fred. If he's scum then this could have been a move to try to bandwagon someone. At the end of Day 2 he was the 6th person to vote on Joshua and he's already admitted to hesitating on voting for him. He claims it was Jean who convinced him but it could have been a scum move to make him look more trust worthy. Also, he didn't get murdered last night. But, if he is scum then his whole play is one of the weirdest ever seen. So, I'm ready to go the rest of the day assuming Vincent and Daniel are town. That leads to my vote:

Vote: Robin Tremblay