Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 @Daniel Lucas I can see what I did that caused confusion. Oh, also *fwom fwom fwom * 9 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I am super curious about Alex claiming vanilla when in the last game Paul got lynched for saying he was vanilla. I would imagine all the scum would be ready with roleclaims. 10 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I'll repeat what Jean said when I brought this up in private. Alex claimed he has no action. He might have a flavor or a passive action. So, Alex may be lying, Alex might have a passive action, or Alex is telling the truth and this is not role madness. When I say I'm super curious about Alex claiming vanilla, I mean I'm super curious about him claiming "vanilla." As I say right after, I would imagine scum would be ready with roleclaims. So, him saying blatantly that he has no action invites scrutiny if he was part of Pirates II, but also gives credence to the idea that if he was part of Pirates II he would know better than to be claiming vanilla. In any instance, we need to stop provding Alex answers and get his response on this. As it stands, he has a good amount of excuses if he's scum and he slipped up. Please, don't tell me to pay attention again. I think the fact that I've answered all of your concerns for three days now would show that I'm paying very close attention. Please try to show the same respect. *Fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwooooooooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooooom* Alex has not been active enough for us to be providing him so much benefit of the doubt.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: I'm trying to help when I say I don't see anybody getting personal. 1 hour ago, Emmett Ware said: A completely egotistical concern for self and need for attention while ignoring valid points and questions and not actually accomplishing anything. Oh, and claiming to be an expert on everything. Is that you, Donald? This is being personal. Just now, Vincent Denis said: You. Pay. Attention. I've also made the same point that Alex didn't claim vanilla. Please point out where I did so. I've already clarified my previous post. If you quote it again then you clearly aren't paying attention I instantly implied after that I might have not understood you correctly. So I reread it. 9 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: I am super curious about Alex claiming vanilla when in the last game Paul got lynched for saying he was vanilla. Here. You said Alex claiming vanilla. 13 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: This is a point that he is not scum, in that if we are mostly the same crew from the last game, he would know not to claim vanilla or "no action" if he were scum. Here again, talking about the consquences of claiming vanilla. it is not the same as the quote above, where you very much sounded like sayin Alex claimed Vanilla. I only wanted to clarify. 12 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Also what do you think about my idea that some scum voted on me besides Joshua to create an other wagon? I only went to Emmett, because the other two plausible option was Robin and Fred. I jailed Robin and Fred claimed roleblocker. I'm still curious what do you think about this. I also suspect Justin for the reasons I've and you have said. Just now, Vincent Denis said: Please try to show the same respect. Okay, I see. I think it was a misunderstanding. I've meant no disrespect whatsoever, but thanks for clearing that up.
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 And before I'm called away on plague business and miss on voting again, I will.. Vote: Justin Raynaud. I can totally buy into Vincent's analysis here. I also agree with Daniel's suspicions of Emmett, but to me right now Justin seems like a stronger case. On the other hand, if Justin is lynched and flips Scum, I will be worried. Joshua started off by placing a poke vote on me on day 1.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Fabien Bellamy said: Vote: Justin Raynaud. I can totally buy into Vincent's analysis here. I also agree with Daniel's suspicions of Emmett, but to me right now Justin seems like a stronger case. I can be a partner in this vote, but I'm waiting for a response from Justin. I want to give him the chance to clarify why he did not respond to my PM after he made the contact the first place. Also If I'm wrong with Justin I don't want the idea that others scum voted on me besides Joshua be forgotten too fast. I think it is a safe assumption that the scum wanted to take attention from his wagon. I'd be really happy if you'd be a bit more verbose about my analysis Fabien.
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Here again, talking about the consquences of claiming vanilla. it is not the same as the quote above, where you very much sounded like sayin Alex claimed Vanilla. I only wanted to clarify. And yet you don't bold the part right after where I say "or no action" fueling my concern that you're just creating a narrative. Oh, shit. I almost forgot *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* 20 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Also what do you think about my idea that some scum voted on me besides Joshua to create an other wagon? I only went to Emmett, because the other two plausible option was Robin and Fred. I jailed Robin and Fred claimed roleblocker. Fuck, man. It's so hard to keep track of all your posts. Seriously, practice being concise. If you're town, I'm on your side, but it's so hard to keep up with your posts because they're just fluid thought process. It's truly hard to follow. I want to work with you, but even if you're town, I kind of don't. As much as I lean town on you, I don't find your posts helpful. I'm sorry. I know that must sound harsh but you're just tiring in your manic behavior. As someone expressed to you in Pirates II, I think it was the brilliant Ethan Dunn, I think you get hung up on people who question you and tend to highlight townies arguing as opposed to finding where the scum are hiding. Since you've claimed who you are and that you play a one-minute-day version of this on mafia.gg, may I suggest that you're playing the one-minute version in a laid-back 96 hour version of the same game? You need to adjust. Maybe Ethan didn't say this explicitly, but he probably felt it, not that I know his thoughts as I'm Vinvent Denis. But it's the feeling people get from interacting with you that matters and their memories of it and that, vicariously, are mine. Maybe some scum voted on you? But your process of elimination isn't concrete. Maybe it is in 60 seconds, but in 96 hours scum and town both have an almost infiinite amount of further options than what you seem to be analyzing. Looking at what I've gleaned about Emmett, I lean town on him. So maybe some scum voted for you, but I'd lean towards Robin. who just un-voted you after your claim (and has acted really scummy) and then never re-voted. Jean was also suspicious of him. Even scummy Justin is putting in more effort than Robin. I wonder why you don't mention Robin in your analysis. That makes me feel like you're looking at final tallies instead of the whole picture. Or did you mention Robin? I don't know. It's hard to keep up with all your posts. In an honest way, intending to be a help, your posts make me feel sad and tired. *Fwom fwom*
Emmett Ware Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: Emmett is consistent in his suspicious of Daniel. He said the same to me last night and his reasoning is the same. This contrasts greatly to Justin, whose reads vary widely and seem convenient to circumstances. Vote: Justin Reynauld because—let me count the ways: Poke voting Joshua to seem active but not actually having a reason to do so. His reason was "to get everyone talking." How does a poke vote of one person get everyone talking. He's said he's had previous experience that a poke vote has gotten every player talking but when pressed, didn't provide examples. Not removing his vote from Joshua for the duel-reason of keeping people talking and not finding Joshua's posts sufficient. It can't be both. For voicing suspicion about Joshua but never voicing the biggest concern that his posts didn't reflect reality: Saying Fred and Emmett were pushing for a no-lynch when they weren't. For telling us he didn't want Joshua lynched and then telling us that he did, despite us being able to see that he did say he wasn't in favor of the Joshua lynch. This after keeping his vote on Joshua throughout the duration of Day One. For, supposedly, not knowing he was the hammer vote for Joshua. Oh, oops. I didn't realize. For PMing Daniel to inquire about his suspicion of me, and then not responding, seeming to Daniel (as stated earlier today) that it was just an attempt to set up a wagon on me the next day. From what Daniel communicated to us, I agree with that. I feel his posts have also been pushing for an eventual lynch of me, and I know I'm town. Justin, I'm pretty sure you're scum so I'll place this vote now to give plenty chance to prove yourself. It's early enough in the day for you to convince us otherwise, or further show your scummy hand. Your vote on Joshua seems like bussing, even though you didn't even do that convincingly like you were afraid of pointing out his scummiest actions. Justin has been on my short list for a while and I'll be damned if you didn't make the case well enough to convince me to take a position. It's a soft position at this point, and could change later, but it makes more sense than any other right now. It even slightly outweighs my continued distrust of Daniel, which I suppose I should clarify further. Daniel, you acted like an asshole for no obvious reason and produced no gainful results, just noise. I really tried to believe that you wouldn't do that without some purpose and have struggled to find one. I'm still struggling with you, but I'm not ready to give up hope. Just now, Vincent Denis said: Alex has not been active enough for us to be providing him so much benefit of the doubt. It's still an avenue I'd very much like to explore. Just now, Daniel Lucas said: This is being personal. You really don't know me. This isn't even vaguely me being personal, this is EB Mafia.
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Emmett Ware said: You really don't know me. This isn't even vaguely me being personal, this is EB Mafia. This is gentle for who I think he is. *Fwom fwom* And I have the greatest respect for Emmett and Andrew, even if it was only found in retrospect of re-reading old games and deeming myself a forum inbred jerk.
Emmett Ware Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: All of my songs are specific to real song rythms. I should start keeping a spreadsheet, because I'm starting to lack the ability to identify them when reading back... And now I'm going to go mad trying to recognise them...
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: Also If I'm wrong with Justin I don't want the idea that others scum voted on me besides Joshua be forgotten too fast. I think it is a safe assumption that the scum wanted to take attention from his wagon. I'd be really happy if you'd be a bit more verbose about my analysis Fabien. Your point is not forgotten. This is precisely why I'm asking Fred about his target choice. Because while Emmett's vote on your bandwagon is suspicious, I find Fred's late (and in a way superfluous) suspicious as well. That said, given the Pirates 2 setup, the role duplication deserves a closer look, but could be real.
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Emmett Ware said: And now I'm going to go mad trying to recognise them... Do. Not. Try. I can't recognize them. I was trying to be so clever but when I re-read the threads I'm like "What is that???" Several times it's the meow mix song... *Fwom fwom fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom fwom*
Emmett Ware Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Yes, I know I didn't officially vote yet, I couldn't remember his damn last name and didn't have the sense to just check another post. Vote: Justin Reynauld God dammit, now I look and the person who voted didn't spell his name right. And how did I know? Someone else posted it, also spelled wrong! Sonofa... Unvote: Justin Reynauld Vote: Justin Reynaud
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 I find Fred's late (and in a way superfluous) *vote* suspicious as well. I keep making typos.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Vincent Denis said: Fuck, man. It's so hard to keep track of all your posts. For my defense, we're both doing the same. You are posting just as fast as I do. We're both ninja posting each other. Let's just call it even and get over it together, okay? Also you don't seem to like the idea that other scum voted on me. Fine. I'm not sure me playing faster mafia games would really do anything about this, but maybe. Hard to tell. I understand you lean on Town with Emmett. I'm not 100% sure on Emmett either, I've just took a vote. Also I mentioned Robin in my analysis many times, naturally. That's why you mentioned him too, not? Again the guys who voted on me: Robin, Fred, Trenton, Emmett, Joshua. Joshua was another potential wagon in the meantime and he flipped scum. This suggest me that Scum was building my wagon to save Joshua. I have the assumption that Joshua was not the only scum voting for me. I'm not saying who was it, but after this I've just made some conclusions. Robin was jailed by me. Fred claimed roleblocker. Trenton did unvote me instantly, which reduced the wagon momentum on me. This was not helping Joshua. Trenton and Robin did not vote on Joshua. Emmett and Fred unvoted me just after Joshua was practically the main lynch candidate. Emmett was 7th, Fred was 9th vote. Also there is Justing for the 8th, hammer vote. Who is a bit suspicious with his PM. That's where I am.
Fabien Bellamy Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 The other thing is, Emmett and Joshua jumping on Daniel's bandwagon one right after the other seems like a brash move to me. But, yeah, why not? There were, indeed, already 3 votes on Joshua by then.
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Just now, Daniel Lucas said: That's why you mentioned him too, not? *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* No. I've had my own suspicions of him. One of them was that he voted for you as a policy lynch meaning he believed you were town, then unvoted you after your claim, which doesn't change that you'd be town. *Fwom fwom fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 I agree with you here Vincent. I think Robin was too neutral all game and his vote/unvote on Michael and his vote/unvote on me is questionable and unclear. Since I'm truly trying to help town, I will go with our suspicion on Justin. I am okay to put some pressure on him and see what he's got to say. With not forgeting the 4 players who voted on me besides Joshua: Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Justin Reynaud
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: I agree with you here Vincent. I think Robin was too neutral all game and his vote/unvote on Michael and his vote/unvote on me is questionable and unclear. Since I'm truly trying to help town, I will go with our suspicion on Justin. I am okay to put some pressure on him and see what he's got to say. With not forgeting the 4 players who voted on me besides Joshua: Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Justin Reynaud *Fwom fwom fwom fwom* If we have another option today, it's Robin. In addition to other actions, his vote and un-vote on you are Scummy. It's one thing to suggest a policy lynch of you, which I'm of the opinion that you deserved. Maybe I did or do too, nothing personal intended. But, if was going to vote for you and switch after your claim, the first vote should've been from the perspective that you were actually scum. If he wanted a policy lynch, your roleclaim shouldn't have made a difference. I lean town on you and Emmett. I think scum had to have voted on you, besides Joshua, yes. I'm just not sure it's Emmett. And Justin's vote was conveniently on me all day, a place where no other vote, except yours, ended up. That's scummy for staying off of Joshua's wagon, being for me or not. I'm a bit busy tonight. How many non-voters did we have? *Fwooooooom*
Robin Tremblay Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: I agree with you here Vincent. I think Robin was too neutral all game and his vote/unvote on Michael and his vote/unvote on me is questionable and unclear. Since I'm truly trying to help town, I will go with our suspicion on Justin. I am okay to put some pressure on him and see what he's got to say. With not forgeting the 4 players who voted on me besides Joshua: Unvote: Emmett Ware Vote: Justin Reynaud My vote/unvote on you is crystal clear. Most of day 2 you were by far the most annoying person I have encountered in EB mafia, and you blow everything out of proportion. I voted for you because you were toxic.
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Robin Tremblay said: My vote/unvote on you is crystal clear. Most of day 2 you were by far the most annoying person I have encountered in EB mafia, and you blow everything out of proportion. I voted for you because you were toxic. You were voting for me on page 2. Now you want to justificate this of me being toxic all D2? It was 12 pages long. Also why did you unvote me? Let's see. On 4/13/2020 at 11:57 PM, Robin Tremblay said: Unvote Daniel Lucas. Walls of text haven’t done anything but create confusion. A day 2 lynch would benefit scum at this point since there isn’t any hard evidence. Just he said vs he said. You suddenly realized a lynch would benefit the scum? How? Why voting for me at the first place then? Also you were jailed last night. Do you want to say anything about that?
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Robin Tremblay said: annoying *Fwom fwom* That's a great point, Robin. Annoying is not a reason to find anyone scummy. It's exactly the reason Andrew said that if either me or Daniel were scum it was me, because he found me more annoying. Excuse the fuck out of me if I say that nobody has more right to be annoyed with Daniel than me. But have I ever voted for him? No. Yes, I found our PM interaction scummy but I waited to see responses from him to gauge if I felt he was town or not. Basing decisions on annoyance is an emotional appeal, not an actual scum read. So, justify all you want with annoyance, the real way to hunt scum is to weigh people's actions against their words. Scapegoating annoyance as your reason to vote indicates a flippancy that is masking an intention to mislead the town along the lines of chaos. *Fwooooooooom fwoooooooooooooooooom* *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom* 11 hours ago, Robin Tremblay said: Possibly, i also have a small role and was unsuccessful last night. So who did Daniel jail last night? 8 minutes ago, Daniel Lucas said: Also you were jailed last night. Do you want to say anything about that? As a wise man once told me, pay attention. *Fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwomma fwom fwom fwomma fwom fwom* 2 hours ago, Vincent Denis said: Vote: Justin Reynauld I would hope this counts in order but just in case... Unvote: Justin Reynauld Vote: Justin Reynaud *Fwom fwom*
Vincent Denis Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 12 hours ago, Andrew Laurent said: The mafiascum wiki says that vanilaizers are typically scum and permanently remove the target's ability. Bullshit. Vanillaiser Your definition and your spelling don't appear on mafiascum. Quote A Vanillaiser (or Vanillaizer) is a player who can target another player at night to remove their power, turning them into a Vanilla Townie (or Mafia Goon, etc.) the following night. Vanillaisers are usually anti-town (most famously Alien in the Great/Greater/Greatest/Cracking Idea Mafia variants), but not always so. It does not say permanently. *Fwom fwom fwom*
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, Vincent Denis said: As a wise man once told me, pay attention. Let meg guess, it was the ever wise Effhan Dunn. Also fair point, I really skipped that, thanks.
Alex Howe Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Hi all! Sorry, I have been so busy with my morning soldierly duties I have only just had time to join you all! So sorry! Unfortunately I don't have much more light to shed on my role claim, I have no night action as I said. I even re-checked my enlistment letter to be sure I hadn't misread. After checking, it does explicitly use the word vanilla. I make sure I go to sleep on time every day and I don't do anything at night. I am getting a bit of a vibe of a town strategy to suggest a role madness game to try and catch out someone from the scum team or to protect the power roles that have already claimed, it is somewhat implied in the delicate discussion going on today, but unfortunately nobody PMed me last night to discuss that strategy so I only have what is in the day thread to go off. Given the uncertainty and the desire to discuss my response, and given any smart scum player should have caught on already when I made my response that this is probably not a role madness game anyway, as why else would a townie claim vanilla (other than perhaps to encourage someone from the scum side to also claim vanilla and be caught out), I think for the benefit of clarity it is best that I simply confirm my role as it is, which is that I don't have one. Nobody else has jumped forward to also claim vanilla and back me up, which either suggests hesitancy based on the structure of the previous game or that there are a lot of power roles around regardless of my claim. Or possibly I am messing up a town tactic by making my claim, in which case I apologise for that. Hope the above is of assistance!
Daniel Lucas Posted April 17, 2020 Posted April 17, 2020 Let me translate that for you. Alex: I'm vanilla. Bye.
Bob Posted April 17, 2020 Author Posted April 17, 2020 Vote Count: Justin Reynaud - 4 (Vincent Denis, Fabien Bellamy, Emmett Ware, Daniel Lucas) A bit over 72 hours remains in this day.
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