Thack Desteck—Day 3, The Long Night

[Scabowee-wah]

1 hour ago, Marwyyn said:

I also think scum are trying to hold back lynches as much as possible to give themselves more time to find their traitor.

That actually makes a lot of sense - and yes, that makes me look scummy since I've been anti-lynch. But I've actually been anti-lynch in this setting because we have a small number and can't afford too many mistakes. So while people could have made the case for lynching to try and kill the traitor before they find him, at this point, I'm going with the assumption that they found him last night (hence the lack of kill). Either way, at this point, we have made no visible progress and still have 3 scum (or 2 scum and a traitor, if there was no kill for other reasons) out there. But while no lynch days give the scum time to pick us off one at a time, they ALSO give town PRs time to do their work, and no lynch days prevent the scum from pushing lynches on loyal sea-folk. After all, they have more information than we do and can plan and scheme and work together. 

1 hour ago, Nancy said:

Your post sent me on a rollercoaster. Really, Nerrio could learn something from your reply, but I cannot understand you backtracking on lynching today, just because I pointed out you were against it on day one. 

 

But then... why split the vote further? And why point to someone who has just been relatively more vocal to say they've been quiet? I get that on post count she's not said much (and technically I've said less I think, this post might change that) but anyway, it seems a bit arbitrary. If you're wanting to get her talking, well, she's already talking.  So do you actually want her lynched, or do you just want to split the vote further so there's no lynch?

See above on why I switched - not your comments, but because I think lynching without a decent reason behind it is a mistake. And have you never see poke votes before? There's still a lot of hours left in the day, certainly enough for me to change my vote if there's cause. And yes, you were also one I considered for that vote, but I chose not to since you'd just commented at me. Since you and Coralaaze were about equal, the "not making a retaliation vote" factor was the tie-breaker. 

[Eeyara]

10 hours ago, Tameekys said:

so we can finally pew-pew someone. Like Araveea said, it sounds awful to get rid of someone just to analyze vote patterns and such, but we don't have any other real options.  

Since the scum are busy blocking lynches and stopping any forward movement, it's the only thing we can do. I'm use to nobody listening to me but at least look at what they have done to stall the whole thing.

[Zandder]

47 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said:

But while no lynch days give the scum time to pick us off one at a time, they ALSO give town PRs time to do their work, and no lynch days prevent the scum from pushing lynches on loyal sea-folk. After all, they have more information than we do and can plan and scheme and work together. 

That's very true, and we got lucky last night that nobody died.

19 minutes ago, Eeyara said:

Since the scum are busy blocking lynches

Is this a wise thing to say, considering you've been the top candidate two days running?

19 minutes ago, Eeyara said:

use to

*used to

[Hinckley]

I know that people will probably be pissed about this but hopefully we can save our criticism for the conclusion. The game needs to keep moving otherwise, we'll be here forever. For the game to progress, there needs to be pew-pews. Rule 2 now reads:

2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting is mandatory. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character. No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. The player with the most votes will be lynched.

Vote Tally

Eeyara: 4 (Araveea, Marwyyn, Coralaaze, Tameekys)
Nerrio: 2 (Nancy, Mazziko)
Coralaaze: 1 (Scabowee-wah)
Araveea: 1 (Zandder)
Non-voters: 4 (Cadd, Eeyara, Luxxon, Nerrio)

Currently Eeyara has the most votes and will be pew-pewed unless another player receives more votes.

23.5 hours remain in Day Three.

8 hours ago, Mazziko said:

Vote: Nerrio

4 hours ago, Scabowee-wah said:

Vote: Coralaaze

2 hours ago, Zandder said:

Vote: Araveea

[Marwyyn]

Yeeeeeeah. Suck it scum.

Pernilla? Dammit now I'm hungry.

[Eeyara]

30 minutes ago, Zandder said:

Is this a wise thing to say, considering you've been the top candidate two days running?

It's the truth, its obvious. Don't be stupid, they aren't just trying to protect fellow scum they are trying to give themselves more time to find  the traitor and the longer they keep me alive the longer you all focus on killing a townie instead of the obvious scu. Don't look at me but look at whoever the second in line was on those days. You'll find out after my lynch how right I am and hopefully actually catch some scum the next day, but I doubt it. They've got you all by the nose ring and leading you around. I wish I could help  with anything other than an apparently worthless vote.

PS: You can jump off a gorge if you wanna correct my grammar again.

vote: Marwyyn

[Scabowee-wah]

45 minutes ago, Hinckley said:

I know that people will probably be pissed about this but hopefully we can save our criticism for the conclusion. The game needs to keep moving otherwise, we'll be here forever. For the game to progress, there needs to be pew-pews. Rule 2 now reads:

2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting is mandatory. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character. Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character. No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player. The player with the most votes will be lynched.

Vote Tally

Eeyara: 4 (Araveea, Marwyyn, Coralaaze, Tameekys)
Nerrio: 1 (Nancy)
Nerrio: 1 (Mazziko)
Coralaaze: 1 (Scabowee-wah)
Araveea: 1 (Zandder)
Non-voters: 4 (Cadd, Eeyara, Luxxon, Nerrio)

Currently Eeyara has the most votes and will be pew-pewed unless another player receives more votes.

23.5 hours remain in Day Three.

< reality mode = on> Not pissed at all; I understand your position. It does affect strategy (on both sides) so I think it's not a huge deal. I don't think we've ever faced 3 straight no-lynch days here, so it makes sense from the host position. < reality mode = off >

Hey sentient coral, you may be clairvoyant, but you suck at math. Nerrio there has 2 votes, not 1 twice. Since now the majority vote will get the pew-pew, I won't waste time with pokes any more today. 

Unvote: Coralaaze

Vote: Nerrio

I see some merit to the "lynch Eeyera to remove the distraction" idea, but I honestly don't get a scum vibe at all from her. The opposite in fact. So I'm not joining the bandwagon. Given that, I AM jumping on the next most likely with Nerrio. My diplomatic notes have no good reason to NOT suspect him, so that's where my vote is going for now. I'm off to float away to dreamland, but I'll check in later for any updates. 

[Hinckley]

1 minute ago, Scabowee-wah said:

Hey sentient coral, you may be clairvoyant, but you suck at math. Nerrio there has 2 votes, not 1 twice.

Thank you for pointing that out. I don't know why I suck at vote tallies this time around.

[Cadd]

Eeyara has checked out of the scene and isn’t responding. 
regardless of her affiliation her silence doesn’t help.

vote:Eeyara

[Cadd]

Bah. Threads

i should follow all the conversation before sticking my paddle in.

I see Eeyara has said something. I also see the spirit of pig has turned the tides on us. 
That said, I’m going to leave my vote and see who changes horses or hammers

[Hinckley]

Vote Tally

Eeyara: 5 (Araveea, Marwyyn, Coralaaze, Tameekys, Cadd)
Nerrio: 3 (Nancy, Mazziko, Scabowee-wah)
Araveea: 1 (Zandder)
Marwyyn: 1 (Eeyara)

Non-voters: 2 (Luxxon, Nerrio)

Currently Eeyara has the most votes and will be pew-pewed unless another player receives more votes.

20 hours remain in Day Three.

2 hours ago, Eeyara said:

vote: Marwyyn

2 hours ago, Scabowee-wah said:

Vote: Nerrio

43 minutes ago, Cadd said:

vote:Eeyara

[Araveea]

Unvote: Eeyara.

I had a private conversation with Eeyara, and while I wasn't very confident in my vote to start with, now I'm pretty sure she isn't our best bet today. I still need some time to figure out who is though.

I just wish she were more active here. She's about to get lynched basically because she wouldn't defend herself.

[Nerrio]

17 hours ago, Coralaaze said:

It's not out of the question, but given we were explicitly told the kill becomes a recruit when targeting the traitor, I think the lack of a kill is doubly worrisome. 

I think (at least, I sure freakin' hope) that if we had a blocker, we'd have gotten word about who the blocker targeted last night by now. That would give us a really solid scum candidate. Given that nobody's spoken up to this effect, I don't think we were lucky enough for this to be the case here. 

I'm aware. I worry without a little decisive action the voting phase is going to spiral into votes flying every direction and us getting nowhere, for the third day in a row.

I know that this isn't the ideal way to go about voting, but we've been talking about voting for two days. I think it's high time we started getting some answers. The lack of a kill is either a momentary reprieve or, more likely in my mind, the scum adding to their team. Either way, I'm not content to sit around waiting for an investigator or something to send good news down the grapevine while we're getting picked off. If we get that news, spectacular. If we don't, I don't want to have nothing to analyze.

And this is the point I was trying (unsuccessfully) to make. While I don't want a town block to out itself, the fact that we haven't had anything come forward on night actions or scrolls handed off makes it seem like we are getting unlucky, or the scum are taking advantage of all of our confusion and adding to it. Sitting out a night would be risky but clever, in my opinion.

13 hours ago, Marwyyn said:

What's with this insistence that the scum stayed home? I think this is fishing for players who seem overly confident that the lack of kill wasn't because the scum "stayed home".

Also, why would a vig want to cause confusion?

I also think scum are trying to hold back lynches as much as possible to give themselves more time to find their traitor.

Because I think it is a distinct possibility until we learn otherwise from night actions. As for the vig, it could be cautious, I don't know.

13 hours ago, Nancy said:

Lasting effect? Like death?  

Something to cut through the BS? A BS-cutter role? That's your suggestion for "massively powerful", all while trying to work out if the scrolls might block or track and whether the traveler has received them and used them.

Also, the redirector role is very typical in Queen Tellia's games.

I'm just saying, roles that aren't typically used are what I'm meaning.

3 minutes ago, Araveea said:

Unvote: Eeyara.

I had a private conversation with Eeyara, and while I wasn't very confident in my vote to start with, now I'm pretty sure she isn't our best bet today. I still need some time to figure out who is though.

So do we get to know some details? Until then,

Vote: Eeyara

[Marwyyn]

1 minute ago, Nerrio said:

So do we get to know some details? Until then,

Vote: Eeyara

Fishing, fishing, fishing.

We could presume that maybe Eeyara has a role, and her towniest read was Araveea so she claimed to her first since, at the moment, it appears she'll have to claim to everyone anyway if she does indeed have a role. 

Plenty of time left in the day so I'ma leave my vote on Eeyara for now, but you are looking more and more tasty Nerrio.

However I fear if we lynch anyone else and they flip town, then we'll wind up back to wanting to lynch Eeyara. 

[Mazziko]

8 minutes ago, Araveea said:

Unvote: Eeyara.

I had a private conversation with Eeyara, and while I wasn't very confident in my vote to start with, now I'm pretty sure she isn't our best bet today. I still need some time to figure out who is though. .

What has she told you that she's not saying in the day thread? 

In regards to the Vig discussion. If we have one then it's likely they'll hold back until they're certain (Or at least very sure) they've found a gorgon. As oppose to just taking shots in the dark. 

[Nancy]

I'm annoyed I even have to do this, but I think even you've lost track of what you're arguing Nerrio.

A brief recap:

 

23 hours ago, Nerrio said:

It’s entirely possible the traveler has been using the scrolls, but they aren’t these massive powerful things. They could easily be tracker, blocker, etc. scrolls. 

 

22 hours ago, Nancy said:

You think that "tracker, blocker, etc scrolls" aren't massive powerful things? They're fairly major night actions and could have a serious impact I'd have thought. Are you just fishing here (no pun intended)?

 

19 hours ago, Nerrio said:

And yes, those are powerful items, but when I hear "massivly powerful," I'm expecting something that has some kind of lasting effect or something that can make cut through the BS, not your typical town roles. For example, maybe a scroll allows the Traveler to completely redirct a player's action to another. While it is a role we've seen, it's not typical.

 

13 hours ago, Nancy said:

Lasting effect? Like death?  

Something to cut through the BS? A BS-cutter role? That's your suggestion for "massively powerful", all while trying to work out if the scrolls might block or track and whether the traveler has received them and used them.

Also, the redirector role is very typical in Queen Tellia's games.

 

33 minutes ago, Nerrio said:

I'm just saying, roles that aren't typically used are what I'm meaning.

 

It seems you are trying to say, in the most painful, piecemeal way: "It's entirely possible the traveler has been using the scrolls, but the scrolls are something not massively powerful like tracking and/or blocking (tracking and blocking are not massively powerful), and are thus NOT something else, like a redirect, which is massively powerful in your eyes, and isn't a role that is typically used.

You think the scrolls are something boring and not something that's not typically used....

Aside from this, your only contribution today has been to restate something, that had already been discussed and argued against, as a brand new idea; a new thought you were "just throwing out there".

And fish. 

[Tameekys]

9 hours ago, Cadd said:

Eeyara has checked out of the scene and isn’t responding. 
regardless of her affiliation her silence doesn’t help.

vote:Eeyara

 

8 hours ago, Cadd said:

Bah. Threads

i should follow all the conversation before sticking my paddle in.

I see Eeyara has said something. I also see the spirit of pig has turned the tides on us. 
That said, I’m going to leave my vote and see who changes horses or hammers

That's a bit of an odd turnaround. How long were you typing for that you didn't see Eeyara post? So, your primary reason to vote for her is because she's silent, but yet when you discover she has been speaking, you keep your vote on her anyway. That's even worse reasoning than my vote for her. 

[Araveea]

 

2 hours ago, Marwyyn said:

We could presume that maybe Eeyara has a role, and her towniest read was Araveea so she claimed to her first since, at the moment, it appears she'll have to claim to everyone anyway if she does indeed have a role.

Well it's not so much about Eeyara having a claim, but about other information out there that makes someone else a more likely suspect than Eeyara.

It seems that people are more inclined to speak privately than publicly. It would appear that there is indeed a night result out there, but that no one is willing to act upon it, for various reasons (painting targets on their back and all that carp*). Coralaaze has been investigated Gorgon. Now given the way she's been pushing for Eeyara to be lynched, I can't believe that they can both be Gorgons. Given the choice, I'd be willing to test this info by lynching Coralaaze, who apparently has been investigated, rather than Eeyara, who has not. If it turns out that Coralaaze is town, the "investigator" will have to answer for it.

Vote: Coralaaze.

*Get it? Carp!

[Mazziko]

If that's is the case then we should get on it before the time runs out. The info seems very ill timed, why the investigator has decided to withold the result for most of the day I don't know. 

If this source is telling the truth then yes, it would make sense Eeyara is town given how Coralaaze seemed very insistent on lynching her. So I'll unvote: Nerrio and Vote: Coralaaze

[Araveea]

Just now, Mazziko said:

If that's is the case then we should get on it before the time runs out. The info seems very ill timed, why the investigator has decided to withold the result for most of the day I don't know.  

Let's just say that with the holidays and all, some people are less active and/or available than others. Plus there was apparently some lengthy deliberation about what to do with the information.

[Nancy]

I think Nerrio is scummy, but in the face of an investigation result, we have to test that.

Lynching Coralaaze will give us some much needed information and hopefully bag us a scum in the process.

Unvote: Nerrio, Vote: Coralaaze 

[Araveea]

(Sorry I thought it would merge with my previous post, it's not a reaction to Nancy's post! )

[Zandder]

I agree that we need to test the investigation result. Unvote: Araveea, Vote: Coralaaze

1 hour ago, Araveea said:

I'd be willing to test this info

This is a weird way to put it. Why "I'd be willing to" and not "We have to"?

[Eeyara]

I heard that a scum was found last night and that it is Coralaaze. I don't know if it's true or not but we can at least find out without just floundering without info.

Unvote: Marwyyn

Vote: Coralaaze

[Araveea]

56 minutes ago, Zandder said:

This is a weird way to put it. Why "I'd be willing to" and not "We have to"?

My native tongue is Klingon.