Thack Desteck—Day 3, The Long Night

[Araveea]

Just now, Scabowee-wah said:

No, because if I think I know who the traitor is, then I'll share that so we can pew-pew them and then they are dead.  

Oh, I read your post too quickly. Yes, if you have strong suspicions about someone specifically, then it should be shared.

[Mazziko]

Indeed, if you have suspicions about someone please share with us. 

[Cadd]

4 hours ago, Eeyara said:

It's possible, but it's also possible the scrolls were used. What is the traveler just stockpiling them? We don't even know that all the scrolls so far (2 as of the start of the day) were even passed on. I hope we don't waste another day guessing about scrolls.

To clarify, you’re asking what if the traveller is just stockpiling them?

The upshot would be the traveller is forgoing power for anonymity. Which, given the failure to pew pew any grogons is understandable but unhelpful to the oceanide.

[Coralaaze]

Well, that's concerning. No kill is great, but there's a pretty good possibility the scum and the traitor have made contact. That was...quick. 

 

 

21 hours ago, Scabowee-wah said:

Day 3, I'm saying it's been long enough and we need to start lynching. Especially if the Gorgons have added another to their numbers. Time to pew-pew!

21 hours ago, Marwyyn said:

Day three eh? Golly gee shucky darn why does it feel like day one still?

Gonna assume some sort of correlation between these two things. I'll just lay this out now: I intend on voting for Eeyara unless a damn good reason pops up for someone else. I'm tired of dealing with the same candidates we've been dealing with for two days now. Anyone else want to make their intentions known before voting actually rolls around?

[Marwyyn]

23 minutes ago, Coralaaze said:

I'll just lay this out now: I intend on voting for Eeyara unless a damn good reason pops up for someone else. I'm tired of dealing with the same candidates we've been dealing with for two days now.

Pretty much this. 

[Marwyyn]

Basically, crap's gotten real stale. I could call a lot of people out for being fluffy or saying something weird, but they're probably just trying to inject some life into the day, and calling them suspicious for it wouldn't help, thus their efforts end up having no effect. It's as if we're at a stale mate.

I'm sure most feel the same way. 

Might have to go dig something up from day one. 

[Tameekys]

If you've decided this early on that you're voting for Eeyara, what's the point of even showing up once you've voted? I doubt anything substantial will come up, and realistically we should have gotten rid of her yesterday. I don't know if there's anything to look for in past days, but perhaps getting rid of someone that was nearly voted out is a good idea. I will see if there's anything else that anyone has to say. I have a feeling they would have by now, but perhaps they're waiting for the start of voting to make a big reveal.

If it comes down to it, I suppose I can support voting for her. At this point we need to vote somebody out, or we'll have another Day One. 

[Hinckley]

You may now vote. With 12 players remaining in the game, it takes 7 votes to pew-pew. There are roughly 48 hours remaining in Day Three.

[Araveea]

Okay, time to vote. I'm still a bit suspicious of Zannder and Eeyara, for the reasons mentioned in the preceding days. On the other hand, thanks to very little activity there's not much I can add to support those suspicions. And I do agree that not lynching can only get us so far. We have been lucky to lose only one Oceanide so far, but we can't expect this relative calm will last forever.

So it's a difficult choice, and for now I'm choosing to vote: Eeyara. Mainly because we need to start somewhere and because voting patterns will only become useful when people are dead. It sounds awful but I don't hear anyone suggesting better.

[Marwyyn]

Vote: Eeyara

Fibbity smidge-a-da-bib.

It's 10:00 PM for me and I thought that was a funny thing to say, which means I need to go to sleep. 

[Coralaaze]

Vote: Eeyara for all the reasons I stated yesterday.

[Nerrio]

15 hours ago, Cadd said:

To clarify, you’re asking what if the traveller is just stockpiling them?

The upshot would be the traveller is forgoing power for anonymity. Which, given the failure to pew pew any grogons is understandable but unhelpful to the oceanide.

It’s entirely possible the traveler has been using the scrolls, but they aren’t these massive powerful things. They could easily be tracker, blocker, etc. scrolls. 

[Tameekys]

I'll Vote: Eeyara so we can finally pew-pew someone. Like Araveea said, it sounds awful to get rid of someone just to analyze vote patterns and such, but we don't have any other real options. 

[Nancy]

If I had pants, I think I'd need new ones  

 

On 12/27/2019 at 2:33 AM, Scabowee-wah said:

So... with none of us dead.... I'm glad to see our night actors being successful. Oh crap, it could also mean they pulled off the recruit. So then one of us has now possibly switched. Bah! Another day and night done and we know so little. 

Day 3, I'm saying it's been long enough and we need to start lynching. Especially if the Gorgons have added another to their numbers. Time to pew-pew!

This post grates a little. I don't see how you can "see our night actors being successful"? It is entirely plausible that some ridiculous 'everyone's actions cancelled everyone else's out' thing occurred, or that a few people decided to stay home, or we don't have many night actions (minimum was two and Ronnan might have had one) to even do anything. And then you do the whole "sudden realisation while typing", which always looks fake, and now you're saying that at day three we can finally start lynching - you were the biggest champion for not lynching on day one. All of this post just seems off to me.  

 

On 12/27/2019 at 2:48 AM, Zandder said:

Are they screwing with us or did they recruit in the night? Seeing how we vote today may reveal whether the Gorgons did manage to recruit someone.

 

On 12/27/2019 at 3:06 AM, Luxxon said:

It feels an awful lot like its still Day 1.

I doubt they would miss an opportunity for a kill, so they either did or were blocked, or their target protected, ..

Luxxon wasn't the only one to reply to Zannder saying they doubted the scum would skip a kill (including Scabowee-wah, in fairness) and I agree. There is no benefit to them that I can see, and as others have said, we are already confused. 

 

On 12/27/2019 at 3:27 AM, Nerrio said:

This is Groundhog Day. This some kind of fever dream? Could scum (or vig, or anyone) have just stayed home in the night to throw us off?

Zannder isn't the only one trying to sell the idea that the scum are screwing with us: Nerrio is suggesting that the vig or anyone), not just the scum, might have stayed home to throw us off. Not sure what it was we would have been thrown off of, but I can't fathom why the vig (that I'm not even convinced exists) would want to throw us off anything. This was also after Luxxon had already pointed out that there might be other reasons for no kill, and when challenged Nerrio just said he was throwing some thoughts out there. Thoughts that had already been discussed. And then there's this:

57 minutes ago, Nerrio said:

It’s entirely possible the traveler has been using the scrolls, but they aren’t these massive powerful things. They could easily be tracker, blocker, etc. scrolls. 

You think that "tracker, blocker, etc scrolls" aren't massive powerful things? They're fairly major night actions and could have a serious impact I'd have thought. Are you just fishing here (no pun intended)?

 

15 hours ago, Coralaaze said:

I'll just lay this out now: I intend on voting for Eeyara unless a damn good reason pops up for someone else. I'm tired of dealing with the same candidates we've been dealing with for two days now. Anyone else want to make their intentions known before voting actually rolls around?

If you signal what you're going to do like that, it makes it really easy for someone else who might be scum, like Araveea in this case, to just jump in and vote first with a "sigh, yeah, heavy heart, I agree" who can then later point and say "yes but I cannot possibly be scum because I voted first and scum never do that".   Just saying. 

 

I don't like where we are, and I don't like how this vote is going, with nobody else seemingly even willing to examine other citizens. I'm not happy to vote for someone just for mechanical reasons. It feels like I'm not alone in thinking Eeyara might be innocent, and I worry at how easy it is for everyone to just follow this path. I fully agree we have to lynch, and I also agree we have to move on from all this, but it shouldn't stop us from continuing to analyze others.

For now I'm going to Vote: Nerrio for all the guff he said earlier. The book-keeping is calming down, so I should hopefully be able to keep a closer eye on these spreadsheets. 

 

[Tameekys]

I forgot to bold Vote: Eeyara because I'm dumb.

[Zandder]

15 hours ago, Tameekys said:

If you've decided this early on that you're voting for Eeyara, what's the point of even showing up once you've voted?

25 minutes ago, Tameekys said:

I'll Vote: Eeyara so we can finally pew-pew someone. Like Araveea said, it sounds awful to get rid of someone just to analyze vote patterns and such, but we don't have any other real options. 

Going for the easiest option, I see, mother dearest?

13 hours ago, Araveea said:

So it's a difficult choice, and for now I'm choosing to vote: Eeyara.

You say "ahhh I can't decide" and then quite easily vote first for Eeyara, who was the top lynch candidate yesterday. Nancy has already pointed it out about you and Coralaaze, but it bears repeating: it's not actually that hard to sheep the wagon before everyone votes for her, is it?

Marwyyn has really chilled out today and isn't as hyper-defensive as she was in earlier days. It's like she's just... present.

 

[Hinckley]

Vote Tally

Eeyara: 4 (Araveea, Marwyyn, Coralaaze, Tameekys)
Nerrio: 1 (Nancy)
Non-voters: 7 (Cadd, Eeyara, Luxxon, Mazziko, Nerrio, Scabowee-wah, Zandder)

Approximately 32 hours remain in Day Three.

14 hours ago, Araveea said:

vote: Eeyara.

14 hours ago, Marwyyn said:

Vote: Eeyara

12 hours ago, Coralaaze said:

Vote: Eeyara

2 hours ago, Nancy said:

Vote: Nerrio

1 hour ago, Tameekys said:

Vote: Eeyara

 

[Nerrio]

2 hours ago, Nancy said:

Zannder isn't the only one trying to sell the idea that the scum are screwing with us: Nerrio is suggesting that the vig or anyone), not just the scum, might have stayed home to throw us off. Not sure what it was we would have been thrown off of, but I can't fathom why the vig (that I'm not even convinced exists) would want to throw us off anything. This was also after Luxxon had already pointed out that there might be other reasons for no kill, and when challenged Nerrio just said he was throwing some thoughts out there. Thoughts that had already been discussed. And then there's this:

You think that "tracker, blocker, etc scrolls" aren't massive powerful things? They're fairly major night actions and could have a serious impact I'd have thought. Are you just fishing here (no pun intended)?

I don't like where we are, and I don't like how this vote is going, with nobody else seemingly even willing to examine other citizens. I'm not happy to vote for someone just for mechanical reasons. It feels like I'm not alone in thinking Eeyara might be innocent, and I worry at how easy it is for everyone to just follow this path. I fully agree we have to lynch, and I also agree we have to move on from all this, but it shouldn't stop us from continuing to analyze others.

For now I'm going to Vote: Nerrio for all the guff he said earlier. The book-keeping is calming down, so I should hopefully be able to keep a closer eye on these spreadsheets.

Oh please, Nancy. It's entirely possible they (gorgons) could have stayed home. And it's possible the vig (if there is one) stayed home, or was blocked, or any possibility we've all discussed. Primarily I think the Gorgons would stay home to throw us off. While I mentioned a vig staying home, I don't think it was truly to throw us off.

And yes, those are powerful items, but when I hear "massivly powerful," I'm expecting something that has some kind of lasting effect or something that can make cut through the BS, not your typical town roles. For example, maybe a scroll allows the Traveler to completely redirct a player's action to another. While it is a role we've seen, it's not typical.

[Mazziko]

I’m not happy with the way the votes have piled up on Eeyara. I’m going to Vote: Nerrio I don’t like his assertion that the scum didn’t do anything. 

2 minutes ago, Nerrio said:

Oh please, Nancy. It's entirely possible they (gorgons) could have stayed home. And it's possible the vig (if there is one) stayed home, or was blocked, or any possibility we've all discussed. Primarily I think the Gorgons would stay home to throw us off. While I mentioned a vig staying home, I don't think it was truly to throw us off.

 

As said before, the its pretty much win-win when it comes to a scum kill, they either recruit or kill a townie, why would they give that opportunity up? 

3 hours ago, Tameekys said:

I'll Vote: Eeyara so we can finally pew-pew someone. Like Araveea said, it sounds awful to get rid of someone just to analyze vote patterns and such, but we don't have any other real options. 

This vote pings me the most. It feels very “if Eeyara flips scum then great but if she flips town I didn’t really want to vote for so it’s not my fault”

[Coralaaze]

1 hour ago, Mazziko said:

I’m not happy with the way the votes have piled up on Eeyara.

An attitude that's made us zero progress in three days. In a situation this small, it is pretty much inevitable there are going to be scum having vote in any given lynch. That doesn't mean we should swim around like fish with our heads cut off and not even attempt to secure an actual lynch every day. 

1 hour ago, Nerrio said:

Oh please, Nancy. It's entirely possible they (gorgons) could have stayed home. And it's possible the vig (if there is one) stayed home, or was blocked, or any possibility we've all discussed. Primarily I think the Gorgons would stay home to throw us off. While I mentioned a vig staying home, I don't think it was truly to throw us off.

It's not out of the question, but given we were explicitly told the kill becomes a recruit when targeting the traitor, I think the lack of a kill is doubly worrisome. 

I think (at least, I sure freakin' hope) that if we had a blocker, we'd have gotten word about who the blocker targeted last night by now. That would give us a really solid scum candidate. Given that nobody's spoken up to this effect, I don't think we were lucky enough for this to be the case here. 

4 hours ago, Nancy said:

If you signal what you're going to do like that, it makes it really easy for someone else who might be scum, like Araveea in this case, to just jump in and vote first with a "sigh, yeah, heavy heart, I agree" who can then later point and say "yes but I cannot possibly be scum because I voted first and scum never do that".   Just saying. 

I'm aware. I worry without a little decisive action the voting phase is going to spiral into votes flying every direction and us getting nowhere, for the third day in a row.

I know that this isn't the ideal way to go about voting, but we've been talking about voting for two days. I think it's high time we started getting some answers. The lack of a kill is either a momentary reprieve or, more likely in my mind, the scum adding to their team. Either way, I'm not content to sit around waiting for an investigator or something to send good news down the grapevine while we're getting picked off. If we get that news, spectacular. If we don't, I don't want to have nothing to analyze.

[Mazziko]

1 hour ago, Coralaaze said:

An attitude that's made us zero progress in three days. In a situation this small, it is pretty much inevitable there are going to be scum having vote in any given lynch. That doesn't mean we should swim around like fish with our heads cut off and not even attempt to secure an actual lynch every day. 

I'm not saying we shouldn't get a lynch. I'm merely pointing out the votes built up quickly on Eeyara with some amounting too " I'm not sure if I want to lynch this person but I'll do it anyway" in any case I agree that it gives us more to go on tomorrow so I'm fine with it.

 

[Scabowee-wah]

7 hours ago, Nancy said:

This post grates a little. I don't see how you can "see our night actors being successful"? It is entirely plausible that some ridiculous 'everyone's actions cancelled everyone else's out' thing occurred, or that a few people decided to stay home, or we don't have many night actions (minimum was two and Ronnan might have had one) to even do anything. And then you do the whole "sudden realisation while typing", which always looks fake, and now you're saying that at day three we can finally start lynching - you were the biggest champion for not lynching on day one. All of this post just seems off to me.  

Sorry if I felt off. It legitimately was exactly that - talking as I was thinking through the night's results. And honestly, I'm rethinking my "get a lynch today" thoughts. I'm not feeling anyone pinging me strongly enough to justify a lynch yet. I'd rather have none than kill off another loyal sea creature. 

49 minutes ago, Mazziko said:

I'm not saying we shouldn't get a lynch. I'm merely pointing out the votes built up quickly on Eeyara with some amounting too " I'm not sure if I want to lynch this person but I'll do it anyway" in any case I agree that it gives us more to go on tomorrow so I'm fine with it.

This. The bandwagon sure piled on, with basically no justification from anyone beyond "I wanted to lynch her yesterday" and that's pretty lame. 

So for now, I'm going to 

Vote: Coralaaze

You've been shockingly quiet all 3 days. That does not seem like loyal activity to me. Scum benefit the most from quiet players, and they also often ARE the quiet ones. 

[Marwyyn]

I'm picking up life forms on the planet surface. 

 

4 hours ago, Nerrio said:

Oh please, Nancy. It's entirely possible they (gorgons) could have stayed home. And it's possible the vig (if there is one) stayed home, or was blocked, or any possibility we've all discussed. Primarily I think the Gorgons would stay home to throw us off. While I mentioned a vig staying home, I don't think it was truly to throw us off.

What's with this insistence that the scum stayed home? I think this is fishing for players who seem overly confident that the lack of kill wasn't because the scum "stayed home".

Also, why would a vig want to cause confusion?

I also think scum are trying to hold back lynches as much as possible to give themselves more time to find their traitor.

22 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said:

I'd rather have none than kill off another loyal sea creature. 

[Nancy]

4 hours ago, Nerrio said:

Oh please, Nancy. It's entirely possible they (gorgons) could have stayed home.

It seems I have touched a nerve. We've talked this over and over and countless people have said that yes, it is possible they could have stayed home, they were incredibly unlikely to.

 This was your one suggestion today, even after everyone else had dismissed it.

4 hours ago, Nerrio said:

And it's possible the vig (if there is one) stayed home, or was blocked, or any possibility we've all discussed. Primarily I think the Gorgons would stay home to throw us off. While I mentioned a vig staying home, I don't think it was truly to throw us off.

You didn't discuss it, you appear to have only just realised it. And why even mention a vig might try to throw us off? Unless you were just chucking in other killing roles than yours so it wouldn't sound like you actually knew what was going on?

4 hours ago, Nerrio said:

And yes, those are powerful items, but when I hear "massivly powerful," I'm expecting something that has some kind of lasting effect or something that can make cut through the BS, not your typical town roles. For example, maybe a scroll allows the Traveler to completely redirct a player's action to another. While it is a role we've seen, it's not typical.

Lasting effect? Like death?  

Something to cut through the BS? A BS-cutter role? That's your suggestion for "massively powerful", all while trying to work out if the scrolls might block or track and whether the traveler has received them and used them.

Also, the redirector role is very typical in Queen Tellia's games.

You are fishy. The fishiest of fishy. My vote stands for now.

 

3 hours ago, Coralaaze said:

I'm aware. I worry without a little decisive action the voting phase is going to spiral into votes flying every direction and us getting nowhere, for the third day in a row.

I don't disagree with decisive action, my gripe was that you broadcast your intentions giving a potential scum (who in this case turned out to be Araveea) the ability to start something that will likely be a bandwagon, and thus the excuse "But I voted first so I'm not scum!". It matters less now, I guess.

 

15 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said:

Sorry if I felt off. It legitimately was exactly that - talking as I was thinking through the night's results. And honestly, I'm rethinking my "get a lynch today" thoughts. I'm not feeling anyone pinging me strongly enough to justify a lynch yet. I'd rather have none than kill off another loyal sea creature.

Your post sent me on a rollercoaster. Really, Nerrio could learn something from your reply, but I cannot understand you backtracking on lynching today, just because I pointed out you were against it on day one. 

15 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said:

This. The bandwagon sure piled on, with basically no justification from anyone beyond "I wanted to lynch her yesterday" and that's pretty lame. 

And then this I can agree with.

15 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said:

So for now, I'm going to 

Vote: Coralaaze

You've been shockingly quiet all 3 days. That does not seem like loyal activity to me. Scum benefit the most from quiet players, and they also often ARE the quiet ones. 

But then... why split the vote further? And why point to someone who has just been relatively more vocal to say they've been quiet? I get that on post count she's not said much (and technically I've said less I think, this post might change that) but anyway, it seems a bit arbitrary. If you're wanting to get her talking, well, she's already talking.  So do you actually want her lynched, or do you just want to split the vote further so there's no lynch?

So yeah, rollercoaster. Even though we live under the sea.  

[Zandder]

Araveea voted for Eeyara on Day One (and today) but not yesterday. On Day One, Eeyara started out quiet and people took her to task for that. Later in the day, Araveea voted for Eeyara for the following reasons:

On 12/16/2019 at 10:28 PM, Araveea said:

I'm going to give you even more reasons to suspect me, as I'm going to vote for you. There, another bandwagon forming.  You really seem to be walking on eggs with the voting for yourself, avoiding bandwagons and just being wishy-washy. It's also an odd feeling. Vote: Eeyara.

OK. Fine. And then on Day Two, Araveea says that Eeyara remains suspicious for the same reasons as before. She voted for me because apparently I was spooked by something she said, because Araveea has all the best words or something

On 12/20/2019 at 10:49 AM, Araveea said:

As I said earlier, I'm still suspicious of Eeyara. But going back to yesterday's conversations, something else struck me as slightly odd.

We're still "suspicious of Eeyara". As the votes pile up on Eeyara, though, her opinion mellows:

On 12/21/2019 at 2:04 PM, Araveea said:

I find it strange that Eeyara wouldn't speak today. Perhaps she's unwell or busy elsewhere, because I'm thinking that Gorgons would be a bit more out there. Unless it's a new strategy.

It seems obvious that my current vote won't lead us to a lynch today. I am of two minds about Eeyara.

So on Day One people—not Araveea, it must be pointed out—voted for Eeyara because she was quiet. And now being quiet is a townread—or a new strategy. OK. But this provides all the cover we need to avoid hopping on that wagon. But she's changed her mind today now that she can be the first person on the wagon.

On 12/17/2019 at 10:00 AM, Araveea said:

What I see though is scum basically voting in more or less the same pattern as town. Yeah they do pile on when a lynch seems to be attainable... sometimes.

Right back atcha darling. Vote: Araveea