Coralaaze Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 7:33 PM, Cadd said: Bah! Picture clues! I think the “killer for hire” falls under rule 12, pictures are t clues. The rules describing the travel explicitly state they are not a serial killer. They can only perform actions as a result of a scroll. There is only one scroll per day. Whoever the traveller is, they could only have done an action last night if someone handed them the day 1 scroll. 23 hours ago, Zandder said: The nameless killer-for-hire is an NPC as indicated in the Night Zero and day posts. I know we need to examine everything but it's ridiculous to read into this as much as you have. I'm going to have to agree with Cadd and Zandder, I can't believe this is even getting mentioned... 4 hours ago, Cadd said: Bah quietness! speak up boy! we want overly vocal, noisy people. They make other people vocal and noisy. And the more that is said, the more we have to analyse. And the more chance we have of grogons saying something stupid, which we’ll catch and expose and lynch them and for. Don’t encourage silence, it only helps the grogons. Thanks again hoe-girl. I can’t remember if your knitting’s better or worse than your cooking. I do know it’s better than your kissing. Be a dear and tell everyone why you suspicion me, it’s really not obvious. More sound advice. That's a really terrible reason to vote for somebody, Norrio. If your accusation is that Marwyyn doesn't have any substance behind her being vocal or that she's just trying to look helpful while spitting out a bunch of fluff, sure. But "she's talking a lot" isn't good enough. That's generally more of a town read, in my book. Now, I've posted a brief analysis of Ronnan's suspicions, however thing. My takeaway is that he seemed suspect of Eeyara. Looking at her sole contribution today... On 12/19/2019 at 11:08 AM, Eeyara said: I would imagine it was just a random pic, there are so many of us to choose from and with the kill/recall ability there's absolutely not risk to them (as in they can't accidentally kill an ally). It really doesn't seem like there was much put into the why's of it, a first night scum kill is usually just "who probably won't be protected" and nothing more. What I'm most surprised about is that there was only one death, but like Mazziko said, a good vig would wait it out on night one so maybe we got lucky and have a good vig on our side. However, it could also mean that the vig was blocked, target was protected, or any other number of reasons for one kill. I don't feel like there's much to analyze regarding number of kills until patterns develop. Our PR holders know what they did last night and hopefully can get word to somebody to let us know if there's anything useful to learn from last night. ...I can see why he had that opinion. She seems pretty certain that he was a random kill. I agree that we can't glean awful lot of the reasoning behind his being the target, but I can't imagine they're just pulling names out of a hat. He was one of the most quiet people here. I don't think it's a coincidence he got targeted; the background is where PRs and scum like to hover, generally speaking. Is this a bit assumptuous, maybe; but it's better than disregarding all other possibilities. The rest of this is just fluff, with a lot more dangerous assumptions than that. You seem convinced we have a vig. Why? You had zero reservations about stating your mind yesterday. Why so quiet today? Because it seems to me like you realized your over-enthusiasm nearly got you on the chopping block yesterday, and now you're crawling under a rock to avoid drawing attention. It sounds more like self-preservation than anything, and it's such a 180 from yesterday I can't help but find it suspicious. Vote: Eeyara. I'm open to changing that if it'll actually get us somewhere today. *however thin
Marwyyn Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 Yeah I really want to hear more Eeyara. She seems rather certain about the idea of there being another killing role, but would someone come out talk about it like that if they themselves were the vig/whatever?
Hinckley Posted December 21, 2019 Author Posted December 21, 2019 Vote Tally Eeyara: 2 (Cadd, Coralaaze)Zandder: 1 (Araveea)Nancy: 1 (Mazziko)Marwyyn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder)Scabowee-wah: 1 (Luxxon)Cadd: 1 (Tameekys)Araveea: 1 (Nancy) Non-voters: 3 (Eeyara, Marwyyn, Scabowee-wah) There are approximately 24 hours remaining in Day Two. 22 hours ago, Coralaaze said: Vote: Eeyara
Cadd Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Cadd said: Bah Snorfblats vote early, vote often. vote:Eeyara Bah precience Oi! Coral! You need your eyes checked. Bah! Illiterate litterers 12 hours ago, Cadd said: And I have information that the scroll from day one wasn’t a kill action either. 11 hours ago, Mazziko said: What information is this? Err? What information is it? The information that I just gave you!?! Or would you like me to just blurt out how I acquired the information, whether I trust the source or what kind of shells they prefer? Fine. The answer is cones. They like cone shells. As for the rest, work it out your damned self. To be fir to the coral, I didn’t notice the earlier time he forgot me. So maybe we’re even. *fair
Marwyyn Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 Ugh. C'mon people! Vote: Eeyara Please say something Eeyara.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 6:31 AM, Tameekys said: Long live the new King! You beat me to it correcting Luxxon. Beyond that, I think that them using their kill instead of "recall traitor" is a reasonably better action, since it's a win win for them. They either get their compatriot back or they kill a townie. I think that the night where we don't see any kills is the night where we can say they've got their traitor back into the fold. That said, I'm presuming there's other kill actions out there. The traveler might get one and the town might have one. I think the Gorgons would have had to be morons (or not read the rules) to have taken the recall traitor option before the start - since they have no risk of accidentally killing off the traitor, there's no reason to waste one of their special ability choices on that. If we have a no kill night, that does not mean 100% for sure they got the traitor recalled, but it would imply it. There's other possibilities - block, protect, etc. I'm also not convinced we will have a vig. With the scrolls, and the small numbers, it seems like a vig would be too fast. I suspect we either have a 1 shot type vig or just kills via scrolls. On 12/19/2019 at 11:08 AM, Eeyara said: Our PR holders know what they did last night and hopefully can get word to somebody to let us know if there's anything useful to learn from last night. Really? Only 1 post and it's hoping the PRs share already? That's a darn good way to lose a PR. Too risky for them to have anyone they trust to relay the info yet, and too easy for the Gorgons to catch them since there's only been 1 night of night actions. I was not wanting to jump on the Eeyara bandwagon that seems to be forming, but this comment pushes me close to it.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 As for the death of Ronnan - I actually had him marked in my spreadsheet as the most scummy suspect from day 1. Guess my scum-dar is needing calibration.
Tameekys Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 I will: Unvote: Cadd Vote: Eeyara For not saying much of anything. Plus we need to get rid of someone today. At the risk of being accused of starting or jumping on a bandwagon, as some people would like to imply since it covers their coral if the person lynched is town, I'll explain why. It seems the rest of the votes are spread out among others just as they were yesterday. We've got the power of our vote, I suggest using it rather than having every vote end in a tie so the scum and pick us off one by one.
Hinckley Posted December 21, 2019 Author Posted December 21, 2019 Vote Tally Eeyara: 4 (Cadd, Coralaaze, Marwyyn, Tameekys)Zandder: 1 (Araveea)Marwyyn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder)Nancy: 1 (Mazziko)Scabowee-wah: 1 (Luxxon)Araveea: 1 (Nancy) Non-voters: 2 (Eeyara, Scabowee-wah) There are approximately 15 hours remaining in Day Two. 13 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Vote: Eeyara 9 hours ago, Tameekys said: Vote: Eeyara
Araveea Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Hinckley said: Vote Tally Eeyara: 5 (Cadd, Nerrio, Zandder, Marwyn, Tameekys)Zandder: 1 (Araveea)Nancy: 1 (Mazziko)Marwyyn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder)Scabowee-wah: 1 (Luxxon)Araveea: 1 (Nancy)Eeyara: 1 (Coralaaze) Non-voters: 2 (Eeyara, Scabowee-wah) There are approximately 15 hours remaining in Day Two. What? I find it strange that Eeyara wouldn't speak today. Perhaps she's unwell or busy elsewhere, because I'm thinking that Gorgons would be a bit more out there. Unless it's a new strategy. It seems obvious that my current vote won't lead us to a lynch today. I am of two minds about Eeyara. On the other hand voting is compulsory, so if she doesn't show up soon she will basically be lynched anyway. That goes for you too Scabowee-wah.
Tameekys Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 Just now, Araveea said: What? I find it strange that Eeyara wouldn't speak today. Perhaps she's unwell or busy elsewhere, because I'm thinking that Gorgons would be a bit more out there. Unless it's a new strategy. It seems obvious that my current vote won't lead us to a lynch today. I am of two minds about Eeyara. On the other hand voting is compulsory, so if she doesn't show up soon she will basically be lynched anyway. That goes for you too Scabowee-wah. I think it's possible that the penalty votes are applied the next day (if she's not voted out), but I might be wrong. It doesn't say so in the rules when the penalty votes are applied. I agree with your point that it's likely that the Gorgons would be more active and out there rather than not posting. Especially since the votes are stacking up against Eeyara in a way that would probably lead to a pew-pew. Perhaps she's just busy negotiating a peace treaty with our neighbors over in Atlantis and has lost track of time. I asked of myself, which is the better option? If Eeyara is spared today and winds up not voting, it's likely she could be voted out tomorrow with the penalty votes. Or, if we vote her out today, there's a good chance that she's town and we're down a townie at the end of the day and likely one tonight. There's about 13 hours left in the day today. It's extremely unlikely that enough people will come around before that to vote for someone else, especially considering some people have been rather quiet all day today. Nobody else on the vote tally (which proves that our host is not perfect and therefore cannot complain about wrong vote tallies in other peoples games anymore) comes close. There's even a chance that we won't pew-pew Eeyara today unless two more people come round and vote for her. I stated when I voted for her that if she comes back as town, all the people who voted for her, including myself, will be seen as suspicious since we voted for her with flimsy reasoning just to get rid of someone so we don't wind up having another Day One. I'm prepared to take the heat.
Araveea Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tameekys said: I asked of myself, which is the better option? If Eeyara is spared today and winds up not voting, it's likely she could be voted out tomorrow with the penalty votes. Or, if we vote her out today, there's a good chance that she's town and we're down a townie at the end of the day and likely one tonight. There's about 13 hours left in the day today. It's extremely unlikely that enough people will come around before that to vote for someone else, especially considering some people have been rather quiet all day today. Nobody else on the vote tally (which proves that our host is not perfect and therefore cannot complain about wrong vote tallies in other peoples games anymore) comes close. There's even a chance that we won't pew-pew Eeyara today unless two more people come round and vote for her. Inactive Oceanides are only helping Gorgons. Eeyara could still be Gorgon though, because even Gorgons can have busy lives and such. Nevertheless, if she's Oceanide her lynch will be pretty uninformative. 11 minutes ago, Tameekys said: I stated when I voted for her that if she comes back as town, all the people who voted for her, including myself, will be seen as suspicious since we voted for her with flimsy reasoning just to get rid of someone so we don't wind up having another Day One. I'm prepared to take the heat. I doubt there will be any backlash tomorrow. Not speaking up and not voting makes one an easy and safe prey for Gorgon bandwagoning. That said, I might still change my vote by the end of the day. Is a bad lynch better than no lynch at all?
Luxxon Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Scabowee-wah said: I think the Gorgons would have had to be morons (or not read the rules) to have taken the recall traitor option before the start - since they have no risk of accidentally killing off the traitor, there's no reason to waste one of their special ability choices on that. I can think of a couple of reasons. Using the kill to recall the traitor carries little risk in that they can't accidentally kill their third team mate, but it also relies on them targeting the right person for the kill. The Gorgon traitor could be lynched before they manage to kill and recall him or her. The recall traitor ability would allow them to recall their team mate at an earlier stage in the game. 41 minutes ago, Araveea said: I find it strange that Eeyara wouldn't speak today. Perhaps she's unwell or busy elsewhere, because I'm thinking that Gorgons would be a bit more out there. Unless it's a new strategy. If I remember correctly, there was a story published recently where a horse, or was a person with a horse head, did exactly this. He was thrown into the pit with the giant spiders for being inactive and turned out to be scum. Also, Marwyn questioned Eeraya about her being certain there was a vig out there. She hasn't responded to this, but to me it would seem that she would be pretty certain if she were scum and they weren't responsible for Ronnan's death. So, Unvote: Scabowee-wah. Vote: Eeyara.
Araveea Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Luxxon said: If I remember correctly, there was a story published recently where a horse, or was a person with a horse head, did exactly this. He was thrown into the pit with the giant spiders for being inactive and turned out to be scum. It's still unusual... but yeah, we can't rule it out completely. 20 minutes ago, Luxxon said: lso, Marwyn questioned Eeraya about her being certain there was a vig out there. She hasn't responded to this, but to me it would seem that she would be pretty certain if she were scum and they weren't responsible for Ronnan's death. Seems like she was just assuming that we had a vig. Or maybe she is the vig. Given that we just learned that yesterday's scroll wasn't a kill action, maybe Oceanides have a vig after all. In any case, I will give her a couple of hours. If she doesn't show up soon, I will switch my vote. I don't feel like going through all this again tomorrow.
Mazziko Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 If Eeyora is town then she's only helping the Gorgons by diverting the attention away from them. If she's gorgon then shes not gelping her team either. In all honestly I don't know whether the vote for her is worth it. My gut instinct is leaning town for Eeyara
Nerrio Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 This Eeyara going missing makes me believe she is town. Is there really a point to me switching my vote to her? As to Marwynn, there you go again, cutting off my quote when I mentioned an example, such as your posts with Luxonn.
Hinckley Posted December 21, 2019 Author Posted December 21, 2019 Apologies for continuously screwing the vote tallies up. Vote penalties occur on the Day following the offense.
Marwyyn Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 I'm not sure what to think. We should have been fairly satisfied with a lynch choice by now, but somehow I'm more uncertain now than I was yesterday. What was the main discussion today? Pictures??? If we had to lynch yesterday, Eeyara would have been a fine choice. Now I'm wondering if she could be a vig or something, but I keep going back to the idea that a PR wouldn't even touch discussion about the role that they had. Someone said we can't get a different lynch together in time which is probably true, so if we want a lynch I say we hammer Eeyara and hope she says something. 1 hour ago, Nerrio said: As to Marwynn, there you go again, cutting off my quote when I mentioned an example, such as your posts with Luxonn. I. Want. Quotes. 1 hour ago, Araveea said: Given that we just learned that yesterday's scroll wasn't a kill action. And by the way in case there was any confusion, Cadd was a scroll holder.
Zandder Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, Marwyyn said: And by the way in case there was any confusion, Cadd was a scroll holder. No confusion; it was fairly unsubtle. The case against Eeyara today started in an interesting place: On 12/19/2019 at 7:33 PM, Cadd said: Perhaps Eeyara the grogon knows their kill worked but expected a second. There wasn’t one. And so she comments the above from that point of view. If Eeyara were a Gorgon, why would she expect a second kill, knowing about a hypothetical vigilante? The easiest route to this knowledge, I think, is for scum to have picked the rolecop role and targeted a hypothetical vigilante last night. But then why reveal that expectation after the fact? If she expected a second kill because she is the vigilante then again: why? And then Coralaaze developed the case as follows: 21 hours ago, Coralaaze said: You had zero reservations about stating your mind yesterday. Why so quiet today? Eeyara spoke her mind yesterday after being crapped on for being quiet (and for voting for herself ) and now she's being crapped on for being quiet - pointed out by Coralaaze and piled on upon by Marwyyn, Tameekys and Luxxon. It seems like people are just mobilizing for a lynch. And as they say somewhere above sea level, cherchez le mouton. Marwyyn anyone?
Araveea Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Zandder said: Eeyara spoke her mind yesterday after being crapped on for being quiet (and for voting for herself ) and now she's being crapped on for being quiet - pointed out by Coralaaze and piled on upon by Marwyyn, Tameekys and Luxxon. It seems like people are just mobilizing for a lynch. And as they say somewhere above sea level, cherchez le mouton. Marwyyn anyone? But it was Cadd voting first, Coralaaze joined in afterwards. Who's the mouton?
Hinckley Posted December 22, 2019 Author Posted December 22, 2019 Vote Tally Eeyara: 5 (Cadd, Coralaaze, Marwyyn, Tameekys, Luxxon)Zandder: 1 (Araveea)Marwynn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder)Nancy: 1 (Mazziko)Araveea: 1 (Nancy) Non-voters: 2 (Eeyara, Scabowee-wah) *I think this is correct. I'll go back and audit. Missing Cadd's vote screwed me up when trying to post the last tally. It actually looks like I accidentally hit Ctrl+Z before hitting save. Holiday travel brain... **It wasn't correct...dagnabit! There are approximately 6.5 hours remaining in Day Two. 4 hours ago, Luxxon said: Vote: Eeyara.
Araveea Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 It should be: Eeyara: 5 (Cadd, Coralaaze, Marwyyn, Tameekys, Luxxon) Marwyyn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder) The rest seems fine.
Hinckley Posted December 22, 2019 Author Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Araveea said: It should be: Eeyara: 5 (Cadd, Coralaaze, Marwyyn, Tameekys, Luxxon) Marwyyn: 2 (Nerrio, Zandder) The rest seems fine.
Eeyara Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 Hey everyone. Sorry my whole house has the flue and I just crawled out of bed to check in here. It's really too bad that you've all let the scum create a bandwagon against me simply because I was not speaking. Everything I said yesterday still stands and I was never a "hipocrite" about bandwagons. Once I'm dead I sincerely hope that you take a much closer look at the two I pointed out and who have been at the head of my lynching. It's actually really stupid of the scum team to kill me so fast, I'm sure they could use me for days while picking us all off one by one. Well, the teams are picked by random and not brain power ;) vote:Marwyyn
Hinckley Posted December 22, 2019 Author Posted December 22, 2019 My genius brain took Marwynn off the non-voter list, then for some reason also removed her from the list of pew-pew candidates and switched her voters to Eeyara when she voted for her. Vote Tally Eeyara: 5 (Cadd, Coralaaze, Marwyyn, Tameekys, Luxxon)Zandder: 1 (Araveea)Marwynn: 3 (Nerrio, Zandder, Eeyara)Nancy: 1 (Mazziko)Araveea: 1 (Nancy) Non-voters: 1 (Scabowee-wah) 2 minutes ago, Eeyara said: vote:Marwyyn The day will end with the first EB Mafia host being lynched...
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