Zandder Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Marwyyn said: your ... your Also, Luxxon explicitly referred to your quote opening the discussion about lynching or not lynching when he complained you didn't offer an opinion. To me it looks like you offered exactly as much as Cadd did when it comes to lynch or not to lynch: a cursory acknowledgement of the topic. 4 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Don't think I want a lynch, but I do want it to be clear who I'm most suspicious of ATM. How come you're most suspicious of Eeyore when the posts you seem to find most objectionable are Nancy's and Luxxon's? 5 hours ago, Nerrio said: Yeah I’m not a fan of this quick bandwagon. This smells of collusion of some sort. Three votes for Marwyyn a bandwagon makes? I suppose you're officially perturbed but you'll stay out of the fray until the chips fall and you cast your absolutely seriously not-a-wagon vote? So if someone does get lynched you can do the "aw shucks" song and dance? 8 hours ago, Nerrio said: We can actively participate and still reach a no lynch. That's true - whether there is a pew pew is up to us and our votes. As for active participation... can I prod you into activity beyond repeating "I don't think we should lynch anyone today"? Who do you find suspicious? Would a Vote: Nerrio help at all?
Marwyyn Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Zandder said: Also, Luxxon explicitly referred to your quote opening the discussion about lynching or not lynching when he complained you didn't offer an opinion Well if your talking specifically about giving a opinion on a lynch, yeah I didn't get around to that right away. However in case you forgot we all started talking about travelers instead so I must have forgot. 17 minutes ago, Zandder said: How come you're most suspicious of Eeyore when the posts you seem to find most objectionable are Nancy's and Luxxon's? Well they both voted for me and said I was asking for opinions but wasn't giving any (which I now realize was partially true), but that's about it. However Luxxon has peaked my interest quite a bit more recently, as well as seemingly copied Nancy's reason for voting for me now that I think about it.
Araveea Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Eeyara said: I've been trying to decide between Araveea and Marwyyn for about an hour and having some real trouble. They both did some things early in the day that gave me an odd feeling. However, the fact that so many people are just piling onto an Araveea vote makes me even more uneasy about voting for her. You seem excessively wary of bandwagons, even when none exist. The "excessive" amount of two votes on my poor behalf should make you uneasy about adding your vote to the wagon? What about the three votes on Marwyyn, isn't that super suspicious? Araveea - First to start the whole traveler/scrolls discussion, wouldn't let it drop, excessively defensive when anyone mentioned that discussion seeming scummy. I didn't hear me becoming excessively defensive. But did you expect me not to react at all when the scroll discussion became a reason to vote for me? I'm going to give you even more reasons to suspect me, as I'm going to vote for you. There, another bandwagon forming. You really seem to be walking on eggs with the voting for yourself, avoiding bandwagons and just being wishy-washy. It's also an odd feeling. Vote: Eeyara.
Cadd Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 Bah! suspiciousness. Im doing my thing, and occasionally special counselling the queen, specially. If various fish want to think there anything suspicious about the amount of time I get to spend in the queens chamber, or about what I’ve said or not said, that’s on them. Twisting words and misquoting is a different matter. Luxxon saying “Marwyyn said CasterCadd is a Gorgon” is edging toward that. No one has suggested with any kind of credibility that I am a Gorgon. Marwyyn did suggest I could be a traitor, sending a singlesignal. I’m not, but so what? If anything, such a suggestion demonstrates clueless oceanyness. A Gorgon wouldn’t point out, out loud, “hey this guy might be a traitor!” Because if he was, they’ve just drawn attention to him and themselves, instead of having a chance a quietly recruiting. Perhaps Luxxon needs to do some more explaining, help us figure out if he’s being deliberate in his misconstrual or simply naïve.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 11 hours ago, Araveea said: I do see a pattern. People who speak up are being accused of talking rubbish on a day when there's nothing to talk about, by people who have barely opened their mouth. Going by that logic, Gorgons should just shut up and wait until the Oceanians lynch one another over silly small talk. Man, I head out for the day-long International Clam and Jellyfish Conference and miss so much drama! And that's why I don't want to see a lynch today. Discussion, accusations, poking each other, heck yea. But why help the Gorgons by (probably) lynching one of our own? And that does NOT mean sitting idly by on day 2 or 3 waiting for night action reports. We can evaluate what's been said and what votes are placed whether someone got lynched or not. Lynch results are only 1 piece of the information.
Cadd Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 Bah. Clams and Jellyfish. Our spineless friend is right in saying a lynch is, by law, not guaranteed. He’s wrong in suggesting that the information gained from pew pewing someone open and inspecting their insides is information of equivalent value to other pieces. I suggest it’s vital, since it is the information that gives weight to all the rest of the discussion, accusations and poking. If an oceanide is lynched, who’s in the sweet middle of their votes and why? If a Gorgon is lynched, who avoided the good reasons to vote for them and why? Those and other useful questions only get asked if someone actually gets forked.
Coralaaze Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Nerrio said: Yeah I’m not a fan of this quick bandwagon. This smells of collusion of some sort. No offense, but a quick vote might just be a quick vote. Or an easy bandwagon. Or whatever. This doesn't seem like a particularly useful observation, and suggesting that scum would collude this blatantly this early on seems unlikely. But I'd be up for a deeper analysis, or a vote, or something. Dropping this sentence and leaving isn't helping anyone. 10 hours ago, Nerrio said: I’m just saying in a game type this new, it might be worth going about a no lynch day 1. We can actively participate and still reach a no lynch. But I guess it could also be another one of these. New game type or no, I don't think we're magically going to get leads just because we have what seems like a weird third party.
Nerrio Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Zandder said: Three votes for Marwyyn a bandwagon makes? I suppose you're officially perturbed but you'll stay out of the fray until the chips fall and you cast your absolutely seriously not-a-wagon vote? So if someone does get lynched you can do the "aw shucks" song and dance? That's true - whether there is a pew pew is up to us and our votes. As for active participation... can I prod you into activity beyond repeating "I don't think we should lynch anyone today"? Who do you find suspicious? Would a Vote: Nerrio help at all? 10 minutes ago, Coralaaze said: No offense, but a quick vote might just be a quick vote. Or an easy bandwagon. Or whatever. This doesn't seem like a particularly useful observation, and suggesting that scum would collude this blatantly this early on seems unlikely. But I'd be up for a deeper analysis, or a vote, or something. Dropping this sentence and leaving isn't helping anyone. But I guess it could also be another one of these. New game type or no, I don't think we're magically going to get leads just because we have what seems like a weird third party. It's the start of one, or a possible one. Personally, I find Araveea, Marwyyn, and Eeyara the most suspsicious, like they're trying to jump ahead and be seen as town leaders quickly, or trying to be outlandish and vocal, or at least different so an investigator might check them out, and if they pass as Oceanide, they're good. But there is a possibility of them being a traitor and getting the "Not Gorgon" result, which depending on the wording, can make them either look Oceanide, Traveler, or another third-party neutral. Personally, in the preference of trying for a no-lynch day, I choose to vote: Mazziko because he's only spoken twice, and said even less than I have.
Hinckley Posted December 17, 2019 Author Posted December 17, 2019 Vote Tally Ronnan: 1 (Scabowee-wah)Araveea: 2 (Coralaaze, Ronnan)Eeyara: 3 (Cadd, Marwynn, Araveea)Cadd: 1 (Tameekys)Marwyyn: 3 (Nancy, Luxxon, Eeyara)Nerrio: 1 (Zandder)Mazziko: 1 (Nerrio) Non-voters: 1 (Mazziko) Approximately 16 hours remain in Day One. 7 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Vote: Eeyara 2 hours ago, Zandder said: Vote: Nerrio 1 hour ago, Araveea said: Vote: Eeyara. 15 minutes ago, Nerrio said: vote: Mazziko
Tameekys Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 I think that some people are overestimating the value of a no-lynch on Day One. All it does is make Day Two look exactly the same. Provided that one of us dies tonight by the scum, it won't really get us any real information that we could use the next day. I'm unsure as to who we should vote for today, but luckily we've still got several hours left. If we're forced with a no-lynch, I suppose that's information that we can use in itself.
Luxxon Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 8:38 AM, Hinckley said: There are currently 2 Scum (Gorgons) team members with the ability to night-kill and 1 Scum Traitor ... *If the Scum opt to not use the “recall Traitor” action, they can still recall the Traitor by targeting them with the kill action. In which case, the Traitor would survive and be recalled. Until the Traitor is recalled, any investigative Action will produce a “Not Gorgon” result. ... 1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Town (Oceanides) or the Scum (Gorgons). To win the game, the Town must kill off all the Mafia, while the Mafia needs to kill off all of the Town, or nothing can prevent this from happening (see example role PMs below) Third-Party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles. Based on this, I see there being three factions: Oceanides, Gorgons and Neutral. I appreciate that the Traitor is technically not part of the scum team until (or if) he or she gets recalled. I still think of him or her as a Gorgon, albeit in waiting. On 12/16/2019 at 12:42 AM, Marwyyn said: Let's all remember that there could be a Gorgon Traitor who didn't get recalled. So something like the above post could be a Traitor trying to single to the other scum by acting overly scummy. I'm sorry, but how is this not you suggesting that Cadd (whose post you are referring to) might be a Traitor trying to signal to the Gorgons? And if this is about the technicality of a Traitor being a Gorgon or not, then see my comment above. On 12/16/2019 at 1:49 AM, Marwyyn said: Yeah and so is voting. What are we thinking? Lynch? No lynch? C'mon I wanna hear opinions, thoughts, commentary, recipes. Gimme it all. The above call for views on whether or not to lynch was followed by the following posts: On 12/16/2019 at 2:21 AM, Marwyyn said: If someone fakeclaims sending a scroll (for whatever dumb reason), then the person who actually did send the scroll will obviously know they're lying. On 12/16/2019 at 5:39 AM, Marwyyn said: Which is why one shouldn't pass on a scroll unless the role is more likely to benefit town than scum depending on the scenario. (Unless of course the scroll holder is scum in which case you do you I guess). 13 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Ello I'm back. 13 hours ago, Marwyyn said: See some major BS going 'round. 13 hours ago, Marwyyn said: FFS ^ This just isn't true at all. Same to you bucko. So, two posts about the scrolls, then three that are arguable meaningless. So that statement that "This just isn't true at all." ... Actually, it is very much true - you called for opinions on whether to lynch or not. You gave views, but not on the thing that you were asking us to provide our opinions on. It is after this point that you actually give us a view on whether or not to lynch: 12 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Ha. No. I was pointing out that Caster might be casting suspicion on himself. Gottem. Don't think I want a lynch, but I do want it to be clear who I'm most suspicious of ATM. Vote: Eeyara 11 hours ago, Marwyyn said: No, what I'm saying is that I have a suspicion that Cadd is making himself look suspicious. Saying someone is "casting suspicion on someone" is equivalent to "I know you are but what am I?". Do you think that's a legit defense against someone's suspicion of you? "I think your suspicious, and here's why." "I think your casting suspicion on me!" The only thing left of your suspicions is that it was to early to be making such a "bold statement". I think it is you my friend who's looking for an easy lynch. I'm two dumb to understand what your on about hear. I'm not looking for an easy lynch. My preference is for no lynch on Day 1. You would know this if you had read my post responding to you asking whether or not we should lynch today. 7 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Well if your talking specifically about giving a opinion on a lynch, yeah I didn't get around to that right away. However in case you forgot we all started talking about travelers instead so I must have forgot. Well they both voted for me and said I was asking for opinions but wasn't giving any (which I now realize was partially true), but that's about it. However Luxxon has peaked my interest quite a bit more recently, as well as seemingly copied Nancy's reason for voting for me now that I think about it. As I said above, at the point the vote was cast, you had not provided an opinion on whether or not we should lynch someone. So, at that time it was fully true. It is also possible for two (or even more) people to come to the same views on someone's behaviour. I'd also like to point out that the part about you not providing an opinion was one common element in the three reasons provided by Nancy and the two reasons provided by me. To say I seemingly copied Nancy's reason is, well, just isn't true at all. 6 hours ago, Cadd said: Twisting words and misquoting is a different matter. Luxxon saying “Marwyyn said CasterCadd is a Gorgon” is edging toward that. No one has suggested with any kind of credibility that I am a Gorgon. Marwyyn did suggest I could be a traitor, sending a singlesignal. I’m not, but so what? If anything, such a suggestion demonstrates clueless oceanyness. A Gorgon wouldn’t point out, out loud, “hey this guy might be a traitor!” Because if he was, they’ve just drawn attention to him and themselves, instead of having a chance a quietly recruiting. Perhaps Luxxon needs to do some more explaining, help us figure out if he’s being deliberate in his misconstrual or simply naïve. Are you not twisting my words here? I was questioning Marwynn about whether or not she was casting suspicion on you. I don't believe I said at any point that "Marwynn said Cadd is a Gorgon". And for the record, I don't believe you are either. You make a good point. There was no deliberate "misconstrual".
Marwyyn Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Luxxon said: This earlier post also caught my eye because she was casting suspicion on Cadd quite early. I thought this was a bold statement to make at that point and I read this as sowing the seed for a lynch candidate that would be an easy one for others to follow. You said I was casting suspicion on Cadd. 14 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Ha. No. I was pointing out that Caster might be casting suspicion on himself. I explained that it was Cadd doing the "casting of suspicion", and that I was suspicious that he was doing so hence why I brought it up. 14 hours ago, Luxxon said: Yes, as a Gorgon. Are you suggesting then that he is not Gorgon? You then asked this. 13 hours ago, Marwyyn said: No, what I'm saying is that I have a suspicion that Cadd is making himself look suspicious. Saying someone is "casting suspicion on someone" is equivalent to "I know you are but what am I?". Do you think that's a legit defense against someone's suspicion of you? "I think your suspicious, and here's why." "I think your casting suspicion on me!" The only thing left of your suspicions is that it was to early to be making such a "bold statement". I think it is you my friend who's looking for an easy lynch. And I clarified that I wasn't saying that Cadd wasn't a Gorgon, but that I wasn't the one "casting suspicion", and that the phrase "casting suspicion" is extremely dumb because anyone who has a suspicion on someone could be labeled as "casting suspicion". 42 minutes ago, Luxxon said: I'm sorry, but how is this not you suggesting that Cadd (whose post you are referring to) might be a Traitor trying to signal to the Gorgons? Are you not twisting my words here? I was questioning Marwynn about whether or not she was casting suspicion on you. I don't believe I said at any point that "Marwynn said Cadd is a Gorgon". And for the record, I don't believe you are either. It kinda feels like your just really upset someone went and said Cadd might be a traitor. (And that's not "casting suspicion". That's a suspicion that I have, but which you obviously don't.)
Marwyyn Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Luxxon said: You gave views, but not on the thing that you were asking us to provide our opinions on. I was asking for opinions in general. Lynch discussion was just a example. I added recipes as a joke, but it ended up being helpful because it obviously doesn't relate to lynch discussion, and shows that the request for opinions, thoughts, and commentary, which are in relation with recipes, is separate from the request for lynch discussion. On 12/15/2019 at 9:49 AM, Marwyyn said: Yeah and so is voting. What are we thinking? Lynch? No lynch? C'mon I wanna hear opinions, thoughts, commentary, recipes. Gimme it all. My Gosh. You've made me explain why I said "recipes" in one of my posts. 2 hours ago, Luxxon said: I'm not looking for an easy lynch. My preference is for no lynch on Day 1. You would know this if you had read my post responding to you asking whether or not we should lynch today. Obviously you do not have the ability to lynch someone on your own. You'd probably hope to accomplish a lynch the same way said I probably would. 17 hours ago, Luxxon said: I read this as sowing the seed for a lynch candidate that would be an easy one for others to follow. In the morning you'd say "Well I didn't want a lynch, so I'm not a suspect in this".
Scabowee-wah Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Tameekys said: I think that some people are overestimating the value of a no-lynch on Day One. All it does is make Day Two look exactly the same. Provided that one of us dies tonight by the scum, it won't really get us any real information that we could use the next day. I'm unsure as to who we should vote for today, but luckily we've still got several hours left. If we're forced with a no-lynch, I suppose that's information that we can use in itself. 9 hours ago, Cadd said: Bah. Clams and Jellyfish. Our spineless friend is right in saying a lynch is, by law, not guaranteed. He’s wrong in suggesting that the information gained from pew pewing someone open and inspecting their insides is information of equivalent value to other pieces. I suggest it’s vital, since it is the information that gives weight to all the rest of the discussion, accusations and poking. If an oceanide is lynched, who’s in the sweet middle of their votes and why? If a Gorgon is lynched, who avoided the good reasons to vote for them and why? Those and other useful questions only get asked if someone actually gets forked. Yes, who wants a no-lynch is information in and of itself. Who WANTS more of us dead? The Gorgons. They have all gain and no loss in a first day lynch, as long as they keep the lynchee from being one of them. Which isn't too hard to do usually. For us, we have much to lose (a whole player!) and little to gain (potential vote patterns down the road... but really, when was the last time you read about a scum being caught from voting patterns?????) As for Cadd's claim the the Gorgons vote "in the sweet middle," well, that's a tale I've heard claimed time after time. But let's see if it's actually true, shall we? I'll go peruse the historical archives... here's the day 1 votes, with the scum indicated in red. Star Trek Mafia (town win) Vote Count: Doctor McCoy/Umbra-Mantis - 3 (Chromeknight, Trekkie99, KotZ)Spock/Trekkie99 - 6 (Khscarymovie4, jimmynick, Umbra-Mantis, CMP, Tariq j, Hinckley) Karie's Cosplay Mafia (town win) Day 2 votes, since day 1 was no lynch with no-one having more than 2 votes Tauriel (Hinckley): 5 votes (penalty!, penalty!, Sandy, Sir Stig, KotZ)Newt (KotZ): 2 votes (penalty!, penalty!, jimmynick)Kylo Ren (Sandy): 2 Votes (Hinckley, Trekkie99)Black Canary (jimmynick): 2 Votes (khscarymovie4, Tariq j)Tyrion (Trekkie99): 1 Votes (Bob) The Forest Mafia 3 (scum win) Day 1, no lynch (8 needed) Braxton Bear: 7 (Haydn Hippo, Myrtle Monkey, Gracie Goat, Ronan Rabbit, Caldwell Crocodile, Huxley Horse, Brewer Bunny)Haydn Hippo: 2 (Braxton Bear, Bennett Bulldog)Myrtle Monkey: 3 (Leevi Lion. Whitby Walrus, Cleo Cow)Huxley Horse: 2 (Pascha Poodle, Pierot Parrot)Gracie Goat: 1 (Ember Elephant) Day 2 Myrtle Monkey: 7 (Pierot Parrot, Ember Elephant, Whitby Walrus, Gracie Goat, Ronan Rabbit, Leevi Lion, Huxley Horse)Ronan Rabbit: 1 (Myrtle Monkey)Caldwell Crocodile: 1 (Brewer Bunny)Leevi Lion: 1 (Pascha Poodle)Ember Elephant: 1 (Haydn Hippo)Non-voters: 2 (Caldwell Crocodile, Bennett Bulldog) Pirates Mafia (draw) Day 1, no lynch Barty Brewster - 3 (Thomas, Henry, Timothy) Timothy Dixon - 1 (Geoffrey) Gordon Smith - 1 (Joseph) Henry Ogden - 1 (Barty) Alexander Pinkerton - 4 (Nigel, Gordon, Malcolm, Remy) Remy Fontaine - 4 (Patrick, Jack, Louisa, Jane) Day 2 Remy Fontaine - 8 (Thomas, Joseph, Jack, Timothy, Henry, Louisa, Barty, Malcolm) Henry Ogden - 1 (Nigel) Nigel Clayton - 1 (Patrick) Louisa Hammond - 2 (Gordon, Geoffrey) Ok, that's enough digging through the records. Here's what I see. Yes, there's a couple times the scum are in the middle. But there's more times where they're not. They pile on at the end. They hammer. They spread out. So no, I don't think there's much merit to looking closer at the "middle of the pack" voters. And therefore, little for us to gain from the lynch.
Araveea Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said: Star Trek Mafia (town win) Vote Count: Doctor McCoy/Umbra-Mantis - 3 (Chromeknight, Trekkie99, KotZ)Spock/Trekkie99 - 6 (Khscarymovie4, jimmynick, Umbra-Mantis, CMP, Tariq j, Hinckley) Karie's Cosplay Mafia (town win) Day 2 votes, since day 1 was no lynch with no-one having more than 2 votes Tauriel (Hinckley): 5 votes (penalty!, penalty!, Sandy, Sir Stig, KotZ)Newt (KotZ): 2 votes (penalty!, penalty!, jimmynick)Kylo Ren (Sandy): 2 Votes (Hinckley, Trekkie99)Black Canary (jimmynick): 2 Votes (khscarymovie4, Tariq j)Tyrion (Trekkie99): 1 Votes (Bob) The Forest Mafia 3 (scum win) Day 1, no lynch (8 needed) Braxton Bear: 7 (Haydn Hippo, Myrtle Monkey, Gracie Goat, Ronan Rabbit, Caldwell Crocodile, Huxley Horse, Brewer Bunny)Haydn Hippo: 2 (Braxton Bear, Bennett Bulldog)Myrtle Monkey: 3 (Leevi Lion. Whitby Walrus, Cleo Cow)Huxley Horse: 2 (Pascha Poodle, Pierot Parrot)Gracie Goat: 1 (Ember Elephant) Day 2 Myrtle Monkey: 7 (Pierot Parrot, Ember Elephant, Whitby Walrus, Gracie Goat, Ronan Rabbit, Leevi Lion, Huxley Horse)Ronan Rabbit: 1 (Myrtle Monkey)Caldwell Crocodile: 1 (Brewer Bunny)Leevi Lion: 1 (Pascha Poodle)Ember Elephant: 1 (Haydn Hippo)Non-voters: 2 (Caldwell Crocodile, Bennett Bulldog) Pirates Mafia (draw) Day 1, no lynch Barty Brewster - 3 (Thomas, Henry, Timothy) Timothy Dixon - 1 (Geoffrey) Gordon Smith - 1 (Joseph) Henry Ogden - 1 (Barty) Alexander Pinkerton - 4 (Nigel, Gordon, Malcolm, Remy) Remy Fontaine - 4 (Patrick, Jack, Louisa, Jane) Day 2 Remy Fontaine - 8 (Thomas, Joseph, Jack, Timothy, Henry, Louisa, Barty, Malcolm) Henry Ogden - 1 (Nigel) Nigel Clayton - 1 (Patrick) Louisa Hammond - 2 (Gordon, Geoffrey) Ok, that's enough digging through the records. Here's what I see. Yes, there's a couple times the scum are in the middle. But there's more times where they're not. They pile on at the end. They hammer. They spread out. So no, I don't think there's much merit to looking closer at the "middle of the pack" voters. And therefore, little for us to gain from the lynch. Interesting point you're bringing. Thanks for the research. What I see though is scum basically voting in more or less the same pattern as town. Yeah they do pile on when a lynch seems to be attainable... sometimes. I have added some red in there to show what happened when the scum were being voted for. Seems like scum never vote for other scum on day one. I suppose that's not rocket science, but still.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Araveea said: Interesting point you're bringing. Thanks for the research. What I see though is scum basically voting in more or less the same pattern as town. Yeah they do pile on when a lynch seems to be attainable... sometimes. I have added some red in there to show what happened when the scum were being voted for. Seems like scum never vote for other scum on day one. I suppose that's not rocket science, but still. I think they don't often vote for other scum because of how day 1 often goes, at least back in the day. A handful of votes are spread around, and then someone says something that people find the tiniest bit scummy and everyone piles on. So it's risky to have any votes on you since people were desperately looking for a lynch target. And when it's a bigger crowd involved, maybe it's worth sacrificing a few town to get information. But we don't have the luxury of numbers in this situation.
Mazziko Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Nerrio said: Personally, in the preference of trying for a no-lynch day, I choose to vote: Mazziko because he's only spoken twice, and said even less than I have. Like I said I've been ill so I couldn't help that. However I am also in agreement of a no lynch so I will Vote: Nerrio
Zandder Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mazziko said: Like I said I've been ill so I couldn't help that. However I am also in agreement of a no lynch so I will Vote: Nerrio I said this to Nerrio and I"ll say it to you now: it's fine and dandy not to want a lynch*, but who do you find suspicous? I'm inclined to agree with what Araveea said: 23 hours ago, Araveea said: People who speak up are being accused of talking rubbish on a day when there's nothing to talk about, by people who have barely opened their mouth. And indeed Araveea and Marwyyn have the most votes so far. 3 hours ago, Marwyyn said: It kinda feels like your just really upset someone went and said Cadd might be a traitor. Why would it be in the traitor's best interests to look scummy? Why would Luxxon be upset that you pointed out someone who might be a traitor? Do you think he and Cadd are in cahoots? 1 hour ago, Marwyyn said: shows that the request for opinions, thoughts, and commentary, which are in relation with recipes, is separate from the request for lynch discussion. "Ah yes my request for B is completely separate from my request from A even though they are in consecutive sentences with no transition." Classic. 1 hour ago, Marwyyn said: but it ended up being helpful If you say "it ended up being helpful" then it means you didn't plan for it from the start. You're busking to try and make Luxxon's interpretation look stupid. Well call me stupid too because I agree with him. *and the quoted vote looks OMGUS more than anything else Considering how hard you're trying to spin things against Cadd and Luxxon, it does look like you're trying to sow seeds for future lynches. Unvote: Nerrio Vote: Marwyyn
Marwyyn Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, Zandder said: Why would it be in the traitor's best interests to look scummy? So he doesn't get lynched by the other scum. 44 minutes ago, Zandder said: Why would Luxxon be upset that you pointed out someone who might be a traitor? Maybe he's scum who doesn't want the potential traitor to get lynched? Either way he certainly got on my case for it. 48 minutes ago, Zandder said: Do you think he and Cadd are in cahoots? Probably not considering how Luxxon has seemingly defended Cadd. Don't think scum would do that. 53 minutes ago, Zandder said: Classic. Is it? Or are you just saying it is?
Coralaaze Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 13 hours ago, Nerrio said: It's the start of one, or a possible one. Personally, I find Araveea, Marwyyn, and Eeyara the most suspsicious, like they're trying to jump ahead and be seen as town leaders quickly, or trying to be outlandish and vocal, or at least different so an investigator might check them out, and if they pass as Oceanide, they're good. But there is a possibility of them being a traitor and getting the "Not Gorgon" result, which depending on the wording, can make them either look Oceanide, Traveler, or another third-party neutral. So...you don't like the quick bandwagons on these individuals, but you agree with the voters that they're acting suspiciously? Are you suggesting the scum are voting for eachother, or what? That doesn't gel with your collusion suggestion from earlier. 6 hours ago, Tameekys said: I think that some people are overestimating the value of a no-lynch on Day One. All it does is make Day Two look exactly the same. Provided that one of us dies tonight by the scum, it won't really get us any real information that we could use the next day. I'm unsure as to who we should vote for today, but luckily we've still got several hours left. If we're forced with a no-lynch, I suppose that's information that we can use in itself. Tameekys' got her head screwed on right. I would honestly prefer a lynch to not, because it gives us much more to work with, but somehow I'm in the minority here about that. 6 hours ago, Luxxon said: I'm sorry, but how is this not you suggesting that Cadd (whose post you are referring to) might be a Traitor trying to signal to the Gorgons? And if this is about the technicality of a Traitor being a Gorgon or not, then see my comment above. 5 hours ago, Marwyyn said: It kinda feels like your just really upset someone went and said Cadd might be a traitor. (And that's not "casting suspicion". That's a suspicion that I have, but which you obviously don't.) I can't claim to have been staying super abreast of the arguments here, I've been busy the last few days, but I just want to say that I'm a bit confused about this exchange here. Marwyyn, are you serious about your suggestion about Cadd? Luxxon seems to think you're dodging that statement, but it looks to me like you're leaning right into it?? Is it simply that Luxxon thinks it suspicious, and you do not? 1 hour ago, Marwyyn said: So he doesn't get lynched by the other scum. I think the answer here is 'to recruit the traitor', but I guess this would be part of it. Truthfully, I don't think a traitor would dare risk their neck trying to get reads and contact scum this early, so I think your suggestion about Cadd is pretty off. Is it enough to change my vote? I'm not sure. I think it's a bit naive of you to think the traitor would hint this early. But it's not a terribly common role, so I'm prepared more to chalk that up to inexperience, personally. It doesn't leave me with a whole lot of suspicions, but even if it did, I don't think we have the numbers to actually land a majority today. I find the suggestion of a no-lynch inherently suspicious, but I guess paranoia about the weird set-up is dominant over fears of not getting anywhere. I suppose we'll be relying on night actions for a lead tomorrow. But if we don't get one, we cannot afford to float the idea of a no-lynch again. We'll have to suck it up and analyze what we've got.
Zandder Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Probably not considering how Luxxon has seemingly defended Cadd. Don't think scum would do that. So why comment then that Luxxon seems "really upset"? Can you explain that interpretation in a world where Cadd and Luxxon aren't scumbuddies together? To me it looks like you're trying to imply something while being able to say you weren't implying anything at all. But to the rest of us it looks like you're accusing Luxxon. You can't have it both ways.
Ronnan Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Scabowee-wah said: Ok, that's enough digging through the records. Here's what I see. Yes, there's a couple times the scum are in the middle. But there's more times where they're not. They pile on at the end. They hammer. They spread out. So no, I don't think there's much merit to looking closer at the "middle of the pack" voters. And therefore, little for us to gain from the lynch. The problem with this analysis is that it's focused on recent occurrences with no lynch. Voting patterns become useful when two things happen: one of the dead people is scum and you can see how people reacted to that vote. You can't draw nearly as much information from voting patterns until you know the alignment of the candidates for certain, and absent the threat of a lynch, scum can vote in any sort of random pattern. 4 hours ago, Zandder said: And indeed Araveea and Marwyyn have the most votes so far. You left Eeyara out... and both Araveea and Marwyyn voted for Eeyara.
Tameekys Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 There's about an hour left and it looks like it is indeed going to be a no-lynch. I don't think it will necessarily be worth it to change my vote to someone to try and secure a vote. Doing so would probably give critics ammunition to use against me claiming I'm scummy for voting for someone for no reason. So I will keep my vote where it is for now. If there's enough people left in the short amount of time, perhaps we could change it. Other than that, I've got a sweater to knit. What's my actual job again? Oh, right agriculture. Well, perhaps after I'll survey the kelp farms or whatever it is we grow.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Coralaaze said: It doesn't leave me with a whole lot of suspicions, but even if it did, I don't think we have the numbers to actually land a majority today. I find the suggestion of a no-lynch inherently suspicious, but I guess paranoia about the weird set-up is dominant over fears of not getting anywhere. I suppose we'll be relying on night actions for a lead tomorrow. But if we don't get one, we cannot afford to float the idea of a no-lynch again. We'll have to suck it up and analyze what we've got. Yes, we will. We will analyze what we've got - which will be more than we have today, even with all the drama and even if there's no night results reported. We'll have someone night killed by the scum, which will let us better evaluate whatever they've done or provoked today. 4 minutes ago, Ronnan said: The problem with this analysis is that it's focused on recent occurrences with no lynch. Voting patterns become useful when two things happen: one of the dead people is scum and you can see how people reacted to that vote. You can't draw nearly as much information from voting patterns until you know the alignment of the candidates for certain, and absent the threat of a lynch, scum can vote in any sort of random pattern. I did notice a trend of no lynches for day 1 in the most recent news archives. But as I noted, the games have also been smaller. Getting day 1 lynches helped in the days of 20 person games when you could afford to sacrifice a little at the start. It's tougher now.
Hinckley Posted December 17, 2019 Author Posted December 17, 2019 Vote Tally Ronnan: 1 (Scabowee-wah)Araveea: 2 (Coralaaze, Ronnan)Eeyara: 3 (Cadd, Marwynn, Araveea)Cadd: 1 (Tameekys)Marwyyn: 4 (Nancy, Luxxon, Eeyara), ZannderNerrio: 1 (Mazziko)Mazziko: 1 (Nerrio) 6 hours ago, Mazziko said: Vote: Nerrio 5 hours ago, Zandder said: Unvote: Nerrio Vote: Marwyyn The Day has ended with no pew-pew. You may no longer post in this thread. Night One begins now and you have 24 hours to get those Night Actions in, no exceptions. Night will last between 24-48 hours.
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