Nerrio Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 I would think the scroll goes straight to the Traveler, right? Once it’s handed off from the random player. The only effective way of making sure counterclaims are not happening is if an investigator role finds the Traveler, and then the Traveler tells that person what action was received.
Marwyyn Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nerrio said: I would think the scroll goes straight to the Traveler, right? Once it’s handed off from the random player. The only effective way of making sure counterclaims are not happening is if an investigator role finds the Traveler, and then the Traveler tells that person what action was received. If someone fakeclaims sending a scroll (for whatever dumb reason), then the person who actually did send the scroll will obviously know they're lying.
Nerrio Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Marwyyn said: If someone fakeclaims sending a scroll (for whatever dumb reason), then the person who actually did send the scroll will obviously know they're lying. Yes but I’m guessing the Traveler wouldn’t want to out themselves so publicly.
Nancy Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 It does seem likely that the scroll giving is a day thing, and I thought it meant that the scroll gets passed on again to whoever the person who got it thinks is the traveler. I think there's been some confusion around this, which may or may not be deliberate. So if you're given the scroll by the Queen then maybe don't say anything and it's probably not trackable/watchable because it's a daytime thing, but if you go and give the scroll to someone else it probably a night action and is watchable/trackable and also blockable, but that someone else might not even be the traveller. So if someone randomly gives you a scroll and you're not the traveler and someone's seen doing something to you and they claim they gave you a scroll and you're not dead and you got a scroll then you're probably ok to verify that you did get a scroll and like didn't die, unless you're scum in which case you'll do whatever. But if you do get a scroll, might be best to not say anything if possible so the scum don't block you passing it on to where it need to be. It's been said that it might just be an action of giving the scroll to the cryptic coral to pass on the the traveller and it does say random player, so I guess the scum might be able to receive the scroll and this might also be possible, so we don't even have to worry about all that stuff above, but that just seems to easy, and we were warned this would be complicated, and it's usually complicated enough even when we're not warned it'll be complicated. I'm going back to my spreadsheets, they bring comfort and logic. And the money, that's nice too. Can I have a cookie as well please?
Zandder Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Nancy said: then maybe don't say anything 1 hour ago, Nancy said: probably ok to verify that you did get a scroll Why should someone confirm possession of a scroll in one situation but not the other? 2 hours ago, Marwyyn said: If someone fakeclaims sending a scroll (for whatever dumb reason), then the person who actually did send the scroll will obviously know they're lying. Precisely.
Araveea Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 Yes, I suppose it could also be a yes-no option for anyone getting a scroll. Either passing it on to the Traveler (always successful) or not. Then the Traveler might decide to use it against Gorgons, or Oceanides, depending on their winning condition. In which case a non-Traveler won't ever be receiving scrolls from other Oceanides. Their winning condition might only be related to survival as well, in which case they might switch sides during the game depending on which side appears to be winning. I suppose that by tomorrow we might have more information about the mechanics of this gift.
Marwyyn Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Araveea said: Their winning condition might only be related to survival as well, in which case they might switch sides during the game depending on which side appears to be winning. Which is why one shouldn't pass on a scroll unless the role is more likely to benefit town than scum depending on the scenario. (Unless of course the scroll holder is scum in which case you do you I guess).
Nancy Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, Zandder said: Why should someone confirm possession of a scroll in one situation but not the other? I don't think confirming the possession of a scroll is a good idea at all as it might make you a target, but there was discussion around what would happen if someone was seen (tracked/watched presumably) giving a scroll to someone else, and how that would be an easy claim to be giving a scroll, and I was saying that if someone's about to be lynched over giving you a scroll, and you think they're town, and you did actually get a scroll and were clearly not dead and you're not the traveler or scum, then that might be a helpful situation in which to confirm possession of a scroll. It's very clear on a spreadsheet.
Hinckley Posted December 15, 2019 Author Posted December 15, 2019 You may now vote. With 13 players in the game, it takes 7 votes to pew-pew. There are 48 hours remaining in Day One.
Luxxon Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 14 hours ago, Araveea said: I was wondering about those scrolls... How will we manage to pass them on to the Traveler? The way I read the rules, I assumed that our host would do the passing on. 6 hours ago, Araveea said: I doubt that we would have this complicated system of scrolls that we receive but only the Traveler can use, only so that it would turn against us in the end... If I get I scroll I will defiantly... or is it definitely?... try to pass it on and see what happens. I would consider the nature of the scroll first - I don't think we want to be handing something like a one-shot kill, for example, to someone whose win condition we don't know. 4 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Yeah and so is voting. What are we thinking? Lynch? No lynch? C'mon I wanna hear opinions, thoughts, commentary, recipes. Gimme it all. No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess.
Tameekys Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, Nancy said: I don't think confirming the possession of a scroll is a good idea at all as it might make you a target I have to agree with this. I don't think it's prudent to reveal if you have a scroll, especially if it does a major action like kill or block. I think the only time that revealing that you've given out a scroll might be if it's an investigative one, and that you've given it off to the traveler. From what I've read, the traveler does not count in regards to the scum outnumbering the town, and that they can win with either side. Things may be different in this game, we'll just have to wait and see. I think it's up to whoever receives the scroll to make the decision as to whether or not to pass it along. We have to remember that this person is neutral, meaning they aren't necessarily bad just as they aren't necessarily good. If they're given a kill scroll, I suppose it's like a serial killer, but I think it's important to note that this person might receive other roles that are more helpful. We've talked this issue into the seabed long enough, though. I don't think there's much more to say about it until we know more about the role. Some people are concerned about who we're going to have zapped on this first day. I think a lot of us have been very repetitive about the traveler role itself because we're all trying to figure out how it works, so I don't know if we can blame people for repeating the same things. It's up to opinion then as to whether or not you want to vote for someone. On an unrelated note, I've brought a fresh batch of cookies for us to eat while we contemplate the day's events thus far.
Nerrio Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Luxxon said: No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess. Even in past stories of the landdwellers, there's not enough information on the first day, and we waffle back and forth of lynch or no lynch. Because of how new these rules/roles are, I am leaning towards a no lynch, just to let everything play out, even if that does risk an Oceanide being killed or a traitor being recruited. But on the flip side, a no lynch day gets us nowhere except for the night phase.
Araveea Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 Yeah, I doubt a Gorgon will slip so badly today that we will be able to lynch with any measure of confidence. Depending on how action-greedy the Gorgons have been, we might be able to gather some information by tomorrow morning.
Cadd Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 Bah! Overly hurried younguns. why have we skipped straight to declaring if for no lynch or not? surely the right move is to debate whether nolynching is an oceany act or not? Then loudly declare that it is, and then to state you’re for a nolynch, thereby signalling you’re the oceaniest of the oceany. It’s as if people don’t care how they’re seen. How are we supposed to work out if someone is evil if they don’t try really hard to be seen as notevil?
Araveea Posted December 15, 2019 Posted December 15, 2019 8 hours ago, Marwyyn said: Let's all remember that there could be a Gorgon Traitor who didn't get recalled. So something like the above post could be a Traitor trying to single to the other scum by acting overly scummy. I meant to say "quoted post" not "above post". Not to mention that it would be in the Traitor's best interest to act just Gorgonly enough to be investigated before they're recalled, but without getting lynched in the process. 6 minutes ago, Cadd said: Bah! Overly hurried younguns. why have we skipped straight to declaring if for no lynch or not? surely the right move is to debate whether nolynching is an oceany act or not? Then loudly declare that it is, and then to state you’re for a nolynch, thereby signalling you’re the oceaniest of the oceany. It’s as if people don’t care how they’re seen. How are we supposed to work out if someone is evil if they don’t try really hard to be seen as notevil? No, this is an even better strategy. Declare against lynching before launching into a debate on what is the Oceaniest thing to do. When we eventually reach the obvious conclusion that it's Oceany to wait, then only we remind you that it was our mindset all along.
Hinckley Posted December 15, 2019 Author Posted December 15, 2019 Moderator note (and apology): Rule 2 has been updated with the following language: Voting is mandatory. I deeply apologize for missing this when I set the game up. For some reason, I thought it was part of the pre-set rules. I understand if this makes anybody grumpy, totally my fault. I feel I caught it early enough to not deeply effect anyone's game play. I think in my concentration on setting up Stack the Deck and explaining the role of the Traveler, I missed this altogether. I am typically more thorough and apologize for the oversight. Thank you.
Scabowee-wah Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Luxxon said: The way I read the rules, I assumed that our host would do the passing on. No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess. I agree with the first line, and that's by far the simplest method. And I am leaning no lynch. With a small group of loyalists here, we can't afford to sacrifice unnecessarily. 1 hour ago, Hinckley said: Moderator note (and apology): Rule 2 has been updated with the following language: Voting is mandatory. I deeply apologize for missing this when I set the game up. For some reason, I thought it was part of the pre-set rules. I understand if this makes anybody grumpy, totally my fault. I feel I caught it early enough to not deeply effect anyone's game play. I think in my concentration on setting up Stack the Deck and explaining the role of the Traveler, I missed this altogether. I am typically more thorough and apologize for the oversight. Thank you. Appreciate the clarification. We ambassador-types always like clarity on rules. And I certainly prefer mandatory voting to get people on the record. I'm not one of those politicians that try to flip flop and waffle and avoid taking a stand. That said, I'm going to start things with a Vote: Ronnan because you haven't commented on the proceedings yet today, so here's a firm poke.
Coralaaze Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 Sorry for my sardine-ss, I'm here now. Anyone? Eh? 5 hours ago, Luxxon said: No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess. 56 minutes ago, Scabowee-wah said: And I am leaning no lynch. With a small group of loyalists here, we can't afford to sacrifice unnecessarily. How is this even a question? You act like we could be in a better position tomorrow. The odds of that are pretty low compared to the odds of a Gorgon killing an Oceanide and us being no more well-informed than we are now. The least we can do is lynch somebody for some analysis tomorrow. 20 hours ago, Araveea said: I was wondering about those scrolls... How will we manage to pass them on to the Traveler? I don't suppose they will want to come out and reveal themselves, because the Gorgons will want the Traveler dead. We can also pass them on at random every night until the Traveler gets them, hoping that they don't land in Gorgon hands first. Any thoughts? Why do you want to help the Traveler so much? You realize they're not on our side, right? I think it's time we quit worrying about the Traveler and start worrying about the Gorgons. For the time being, I'll vote: Araveea.
Araveea Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Coralaaze said: Why do you want to help the Traveler so much? You realize they're not on our side, right? I think it's time we quit worrying about the Traveler and start worrying about the Gorgons. For the time being, I'll vote: Araveea. There's not much I can worry about today with so little information to go on, but to try and understand what our options are. The way I see it, if we are to be given scrolls with no chance to use them but by giving them to an unknown Traveler, there must be a chance that this will help us. It would be just cruel otherwise. So yes, I was trying to figure out a way to get the scrolls to the Traveler. Maybe I don't have the mechanics right, but better to discuss this together and better our chances at doing the right thing. Why are you assuming than the Traveler can't work with us if we figure out how? I can't blame you for voting me, but you're talking about worrying about the Gorgons instead of the Traveler. Talk is cheap, I didn't hear you worry about anything at all today.
Cadd Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 Bah! Tardiness. hey eeyara if you’ve got nothing to add, at least say who you’re adding nothing to. Don’t get so caught up in your plotting that you forget you’re the master of negotiations Vote:Eeyara
Tameekys Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Coralaaze said: Sorry for my sardine-ss, I'm here now. I have half a mind to vote for you just because of that pun. Regardless, voting is mandatory. For now I will: Vote: Cadd As he's been a bit suspect in my eyes based off on some of the things that he's said. Such as, trying to stir up confusion about the scrolls and then trying to cause confusion about the lynching process, albeit before we knew it was mandatory. Now he's casting a "safe" vote on someone who hasn't really bothered to show up. Yes, the argument can be made that voting for someone for not coming is a valid day one strategy. After all, Scabowee did the same thing. However it's my vote and that's who I'm voting for until I can be persuaded otherwise.
Zandder Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 15 hours ago, Araveea said: we might be able to gather some information by tomorrow morning. 16 hours ago, Nerrio said: am leaning towards a no lynch, just to let everything play out, We need to be active participants in this process if we are to root out the Gorgons and avenge the death of King Naryyus. 17 hours ago, Luxxon said: No lynch. There's not enough information to even make an educated guess. We create information by participating. We can't (and it would be foolish) to wait until someone shares their night action results with us - it would give the Gorgons too much power over us. The other question is what Proochllooeros is an anagram of...
Eeyara Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Cadd said: Bah! Tardiness. hey eeyara if you’ve got nothing to add, at least say who you’re adding nothing to. Don’t get so caught up in your plotting that you forget you’re the master of negotiations Vote:Eeyara I've just been watching all the hot air around here. Really interesting how some folks got the whole day revolving around scrolls and traveler instead of talking about something useful. There was also something else that caught my eye with some early hours finger pointing that made no sense at all. I don't really have anything solid to go by though, not yet. Just like any other vote today it's all just nonsense and randomness. The first day of negotiations is just watching and hoping someone makes the wrong move, even a minuscule one can be used later to see the truth. Without a strong feeling against anyone, and just to make sure I don't forget to vote later, for now I vote for myself. I would feel worse killing another innocent person rather than just myself. Vote:Eeyara
Araveea Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Eeyara said: I've just been watching all the hot air around here. Really interesting how some folks got the whole day revolving around scrolls and traveler instead of talking about something useful. Well we didn't hear you talking about anything useful. 5 minutes ago, Eeyara said: There was also something else that caught my eye with some early hours finger pointing that made no sense at all. Anything specific? I don't remember finger pointing.
Eeyara Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Araveea said: Well we didn't hear you talking about anything useful. Anything specific? I don't remember finger pointing. I never claimed I was, I didn't say anything, I was watching. Like I already stated, I don't have anything solid to point at yet. It's like people don't even read.
Recommended Posts