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I can not wait. :sweet:

The only thing I'm not sure of is the Joker's personality - I'm hoping he laughs more than he does in the trailers. We need our good old fashioned joker laugh! :wink:

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I can not wait. :sweet:

The only thing I'm not sure of is the Joker's personality - I'm hoping he laughs more than he does in the trailers. We need our good old fashioned joker laugh! :wink:

That's what I hope, we can get a few maniacal laughs out of him. Unless he's more like the BB:ROTJ Joker, who laughs occasionally, but when he did, woah....

Can anyone spot a portion of Two-Face in the trailer, I can!

Batbrick Away! :devil:

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The more I see of this movie the better it looks. If I could only see one film this year TDK would be it (sorry Indy).

Can anyone spot a portion of Two-Face in the trailer, I can!

Yep:

twoface.jpg

Potions of an interview with Aaron Eckhart in the LA Times have been posted on Legions of Gotham (Beware of at least one spoiler).

It sounds like Two-Face may have a larger role in TDK than previously thought.

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The more I see of this movie the better it looks. If I could only see one film this year TDK would be it (sorry Indy).

Yep:

twoface.jpg

Potions of an interview with Aaron Eckhart in the LA Times have been posted on Legions of Gotham (Beware of at least one spoiler).

It sounds like Two-Face may have a larger role in TDK than previously thought.

I read in an interview of Chris Nolan a while back where he says that the main villain of the film is actually Two-Face.

That was because Two-face's character was really developped in the same way Bruce's was in Batman Begins, whereas he compares the Joker as a force of nature that is here to destroy everything but they won't go too deeply into who he really is and what his motivations are...

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A disclaimer (before all those who love the new trailer start baying for my blood): What lays here is my opinion, and I am a dedicated comics fan, both Marvel and DC. If you don't like it, you can lump it :wink:

Going by the second trailers, I think The Incredible Hulk looks like a better movie than The Dark Knight. Before I saw this trailer, TDK was my must see movie of 2008. I had gone Batman crazy. I read The Long Halloween religiously, gearing up for awesome with Heath Ledger's Joker, Aaron Eckhart's Harvey Dent/Two Face and the continuing story of Nolan's and Bale's Dark Knight. What do I get from this trailer?

1. Less Joker is more. The Joker is not the character who reasons, and sits down for chats with the other criminals. He is the incomprehensible psychopath who we saw in that first trailer and that 6 minute prologue. The reasons should come from a character such as Two Face, who is born of a politician (although seemingly not in this movie, but more on that later...). Unless we're going to see a wicked turnabout, the vicious, fearsome Joker I was looking forward to seems to have been diminished to a badly written, and oddly voiced smaller villain, when he is meant to be the biggest, baddest Bat villian of all. If this is what we get then 'Here, we... go." - out of the theatres.

2. I no longer believe in Harvey Dent. My view is that Harvey Dent should be the determined DA who wants to, just like Batman, rid Gotham of all its ills. This is what makes his transformation to the insanity of Two Face so jarring. When I only see a pretty boy who wants to steal Bruce's girl, that's what I see. The trailer is meant to show us the best of what character is to come. Yes, we get a glimpse of Two Face, but if one half is so bland, then I'm hardly going to care about the other.

3. And last, but by no means least, The Dark Knight himself. Batman is the main character, but where is the so called Dark promised from the title of this sequel. I see nothing of the rage and black night that came with Nolan's first installment. Furthermore, what is Mr. Wayne doing with himself? I personally think a character should have a slight arc, it helps with storytelling see... And if the only thread of story in Batman's life now is Lamborghini by day and Batpod against villains by night, I like Alfred, may begin making bad jokes at the character's expense.

Now, before I duck for cover, let me say this. I am still going to see this movie. It's still one of my highest film going priorities this summer. But this second trailer I waited for has somewhat dampened my expectations. I hope you guys feel that there is reason behind the rant. Feel free to resume nice comments and discussion now :tongue:

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A disclaimer (before all those who love the new trailer start baying for my blood): What lays here is my opinion, and I am a dedicated comics fan, both Marvel and DC. If you don't like it, you can lump it :wink:

Going by the second trailers, I think The Incredible Hulk looks like a better movie than The Dark Knight. Before I saw this trailer, TDK was my must see movie of 2008. I had gone Batman crazy. I read The Long Halloween religiously, gearing up for awesome with Heath Ledger's Joker, Aaron Eckhart's Harvey Dent/Two Face and the continuing story of Nolan's and Bale's Dark Knight. What do I get from this trailer?

1. Less Joker is more. The Joker is not the character who reasons, and sits down for chats with the other criminals. He is the incomprehensible psychopath who we saw in that first trailer and that 6 minute prologue. The reasons should come from a character such as Two Face, who is born of a politician (although seemingly not in this movie, but more on that later...). Unless we're going to see a wicked turnabout, the vicious, fearsome Joker I was looking forward to seems to have been diminished to a badly written, and oddly voiced smaller villain, when he is meant to be the biggest, baddest Bat villian of all. If this is what we get then 'Here, we... go." - out of the theatres.

2. I no longer believe in Harvey Dent. My view is that Harvey Dent should be the determined DA who wants to, just like Batman, rid Gotham of all its ills. This is what makes his transformation to the insanity of Two Face so jarring. When I only see a pretty boy who wants to steal Bruce's girl, that's what I see. The trailer is meant to show us the best of what character is to come. Yes, we get a glimpse of Two Face, but if one half is so bland, then I'm hardly going to care about the other.

3. And last, but by no means least, The Dark Knight himself. Batman is the main character, but where is the so called Dark promised from the title of this sequel. I see nothing of the rage and black night that came with Nolan's first installment. Furthermore, what is Mr. Wayne doing with himself? I personally think a character should have a slight arc, it helps with storytelling see... And if the only thread of story in Batman's life now is Lamborghini by day and Batpod against villains by night, I like Alfred, may begin making bad jokes at the character's expense.

Now, before I duck for cover, let me say this. I am still going to see this movie. It's still one of my highest film going priorities this summer. But this second trailer I waited for has somewhat dampened my expectations. I hope you guys feel that there is reason behind the rant. Feel free to resume nice comments and discussion now :tongue:

So how was the film? :tongue:

I'd disagree with your conclusion of the Joker though, many times in the comics (many great ones too) Joker has reasoned with many people. We have yet to see all that scene, but we know he has all the mob's money for ransom, and later see him burning it in the trailer. Crazy, but makes sense, like the Joker. If he was to never reason he would just be your run-of-the-mill psychotic killer, but The Joker is more than that. Take The Killing Joke for example, though achieved through cruel means, the entire story was based around him reasoning his logic, that sanity is a lost cause, and that was a brilliant graphic novel.

I'd agree that Harvey seems a bit bland, from, well, the 15 seconds (if not less) of screentime we saw of him, give it a bit more time.

As for Batman's arc, I'll take a guess you missed the part where he says "You see now what I have to become to stop men like him". Also, Rachel states "Bruce, doin't make me your only hope for a normal life", and given she seems to like Harv, I'd say there's gonna be a big slip by Bruce somewhere. As for rage, did you see Batman tossing Joker in the interrogation room? Ouch :tongue:

I love this second trailer, but I would say it wasn't very well done, it seems more like random scenes coppled together than the first one.

Batbrick Away! :devil:

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Well, gentlemen.... ) :classic:

The trailer is mostly amusing I must say.... I like this variant of the Joker, he's more rational, yes, but as Batbrick has said he'd cooperated with other people normally not once.... And I remember a nice phrase that Batman said once about the Joker (In Batman: Vengeance): : "Joker may be crazy, but he's not an idiot...." So, I think that he's just like that in the movie....

A for Two-Face, well..... one Russian fan-site found a picture of him, but they (I also) doubt that it's real....

See for yourself:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4489.asp

(It hasn't been posted before, has it? :wink: )

Good day, gentlemen! ) :sweet:

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2. When I only see a pretty boy who wants to steal Bruce's girl, that's what I see.

Ah, but, Harvey Dent was nicknamed 'Apollo' becaue of his boyish good looks. Hew must be at least somewhat of a 'pretty boy' to warrant the moniker.

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What I meant by no real arc for Batman is that I can't see a whole lot of good story in this chapter so far. And after two trailers I thought I would. As for my comment Brainbox highlighted on Dent, I know that Harvey Dent is meant to be good looking, but I meant that going by what we've seen so far, there doesn't appear to be much more to his character. Also, if a film that jumps right in the middle of a story (new Hulk movie) seems to tell a story better than a film that has already had one film in it's series, I can't be the only one to see something wrong with that.

Maybe the trailer will grow on me once I see it on the big screen (which British cinemas seem averse to at the moment)

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Ooh, I'm liking that. I wonder if it's just a quick cameo or if he has a decent role to play in the storyline again. :look:

A cameo, I guess. Otherwise too many villains for one Bats. ) :devil:

Good day, gentlemen! ) :sweet:

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