Nigel Clayton Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 I can't believe that there is still doubt I am loyal to the captain. I couldn't stake out anyone last night as I was busy protecting Thomas. Given him the vest took all the time I had after sundown.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 IMO, Geoffrey was going at Tim hard in either a desperate attempt to not be lynched, or was trying to make his scum buddy look a little bit more townier in the morning. 1 minute ago, Nigel Clayton said: I can't believe that there is still doubt I am loyal to the captain. I couldn't stake out anyone last night as I was busy protecting Thomas. Given him the vest took all the time I had after sundown. You and Pat are more confirmed town right now then if you were cleared by the investigator.
Patrick Triggs Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Timothy Dixon said: It can’t be Joesph because he has been confirmed town. And then by extension it can’t be Malcom, because they are Masons. All we can take at face value at the moment is that Joseph and Malcolm are on the same team. 3 hours ago, Henry Ogden said: If you’re blindly relying on investigations for results, we won’t be in good positions in the late days. I’m town because I tried to lynch Barty and Geoffrey early on and carried forth with it, more than because I was investigated. The Godfather is out there, and they could well have been given the killing power. So someone blocked/investigated early on could be up to some bad stuff now. If I recall correctly, Thomas has investigated Jack, Henry and Joseph. Absolutely Henry's actions in the past days clear him far better than an investigation, so that leaves Jack and Joseph. I am inclined to think it's the mason claim that is more suspect or, rather, I am more inclined to believe that Jack is town, for these reasons: his one-shot investigation from Gordon cleared Nigel, in whom we can be confident; also, if Jack were scum, I doubt Thomas would still be here. 1 hour ago, Nigel Clayton said: I can't believe that there is still doubt I am loyal to the captain. I couldn't stake out anyone last night as I was busy protecting Thomas. Given him the vest took all the time I had after sundown. Like Henry, Nigel is cleared as far as I'm concerned, for catching Geoffrey on Night Three. 1 hour ago, Louisa Hammond said: IMO, Geoffrey was going at Tim hard in either a desperate attempt to not be lynched, or was trying to make his scum buddy look a little bit more townier in the morning. He was flailing to muddy the waters for when he flipped scum. In earlier days, Geoffrey didn't say much and did some token fingerpointing at Henry, Timothy Barty. On Day Three, he said he wanted to lynch Louisa in spite of her claim... now I wonder why that would be? Almost forgot to say it for the benefit of everyone on the ship: I jailkept myself again last night, stayin' alive to catch scum. Let's make one walk the plank for the third day in a row.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Patrick Triggs said: On Day Three, he said he wanted to lynch Louisa in spite of her claim... now I wonder why that would be? Joseph did as much earlier today as well. 9 hours ago, Joseph Finch said: Investigator got blocked. I think Hammond is the best choice for today. I’ve expressed my suspicions of her in both public and private over the last few days and she’s laid low ever since claiming Day 2, and to me Geoffrey’s guilt indicates Timothy’s innocence which indicates Hammond’s guilt.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Well we're close to voting time and I'll likely be voting for one of the masons. Joseph is likely a godfather while Malcolm on the other hand might be a roleblocker. All a scum roleblocker would have had to do is pick between Henry or Tom if they wanted to hit the investigator.
Malcolm Langley Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 47 minutes ago, Patrick Triggs said: If I recall correctly, Thomas has investigated Jack, Henry and Joseph. Absolutely Henry's actions in the past days clear him far better than an investigation, so that leaves Jack and Joseph. I am inclined to think it's the mason claim that is more suspect or, rather, I am more inclined to believe that Jack is town, for these reasons: his one-shot investigation from Gordon cleared Nigel, in whom we can be confident; also, if Jack were scum, I doubt Thomas would still be here. Argg! This relies heavily on Thomas actually telling the truth and being the Investigator. I think we are putting too much faith onto that being the truth. Being scum and claiming Investigator would be easy as all you have to do is say if someone is town or not. The only thing that is bothering me about this, is how the hell would scum know that the real Investigator is no where to be found? Scum got real lucky in not picking roles that others had. Based off what I said last page I am really suspicious of Thomas, Jack, and Henry. All of whom have role claims, all of whom seem to have been open to kill Gordon. Out of those three Thomas still strikes me as the scummiest. The others have been active and have even called out scum on former days. Thomas has been quiet and been very middle of the road. His action could also be easily frabricated if the scum are aware there is no Investigator left. This whole ship be crazy! As for the suspicions of Joseph, I know he is town, Joseph knows he is town. I don't think there is a way to prove our loyalty to you at this shade of day. To be honest if I were not a mason me self I would probably suspect is two hooligans too. We are ahead of the scum I believe, so do what you think is right today. But don't be crying if the sore makes your tears sob loud. 10 minutes ago, Louisa Hammond said: Well we're close to voting time and I'll likely be voting for one of the masons. Joseph is likely a godfather while Malcolm on the other hand might be a roleblocker. All a scum roleblocker would have had to do is pick between Henry or Tom if they wanted to hit the investigator. This is really confidence. I do not like this at all.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Malcolm Langley said: This is really confidence. I do not like this at all. Well right now it's either you two or...no yeah it's just you two.
Joseph Finch Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 I missed that Timothy was blocked last night. While I was initially hesitant to vote off Geoffrey, you’ll also see I was the first to vote for him. Obviously I’d rather stay alive, but if lynching me and seeing I’m town will clear Malcolm and bring us closer to rooting out the Imperial scum I’m all for it.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Joseph Finch said: I missed that Timothy was blocked last night. While I was initially hesitant to vote off Geoffrey, you’ll also see I was the first to vote for him. Obviously I’d rather stay alive, but if lynching me and seeing I’m town will clear Malcolm and bring us closer to rooting out the Imperial scum I’m all for it. Who would you lynch?
Malcolm Langley Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Louisa Hammond said: Well right now it's either you two or...no yeah it's just you two. Argg! There's actually quite a few other people we should be questioning as I have pointed.out above. But I do understand why yer think we so scummy. Your confidence that you think you found the rest of the scum and know the roles rings me.bad bells. I'm starting to understand why my good ol brother is suspicious of you. 5 minutes ago, Louisa Hammond said: Who would you lynch? I know this is pointed at Joseph. But right now I would be voting for Thomas.
Jack Alden Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 A block by scum is in my view the most likely reason that Thomas did not get a result last night. This means we had two scum actions last night - a kill and a block. And working on the assumption that one scum can't execute two actions in one night, each of the two remaining scum did something last night. Side note - if there were only four scum to start with, we could clear Timothy since he was blocked last night. However, there is the possibility that, in a game with so many power roles for town, that there were five scum to start with to balance the power. At most, only one of the two scum who did something could have come from the pool of people who have been investigated. This is because there can't be two godfathers. This means at least one of the scum must have come from the pool of people that have not been investigated. Let's look at this pool of people more closely: Patrick - towniest of town, having led the lynch on Barty and working with Nigel to get Geoffrey. Louisa - has been blocking Tim, which means she wasn't responsible for the kill or the block on Thomas. She was also quick to support the vote on Barty. Looking like town to me. Timothy - been locked in his room for several nights now. Not responsible for the block or the kill, but still possible he is scum Thomas - I'm confident he's town (see reasoning below). Malcolm - not accounted for ... To me, this points to Malcolm having executed one of the scum actions last night. This also implies that Joseph is scum, since they claimed masons together. Also, Joseph and Malcolm, barely said anything about Barty and Geoffrey before Day 3 and 4, respectively. And then when Barty and Geoffrey were under fire, they pointed more often to Louisa and, in the case of Malcolm, to Timothy. My vote will be on Malcolm. 5 hours ago, Malcolm Langley said: I know Thomas claimed Investigator but I feel if scum wanted to they could claim that role. Only thing that would not add up is how on Earth would the scum know that there was no real Investigator living? Thomas approached me early in Day 3 and shared his role and findings for the first two nights with me then. This would have given scum two nights in which to find the investigator. Jane was killed on night one and thus unlikely to have been investigated. Alex was mod-killed and it is highly unlikely that scum would have bothered to investigate him on night 1. Day 2 - Remy was lynched. He hinted at a role, but said it wasn't useful until day 3. Investigators are generally not restricted in such a way. This means that it was unlikely that scum had known who the investigator was at the time Thomas claimed to me. If Thomas was scum, it would have been a very risky proposition to claim investigator if there was a possibility that there could be a legitimate counter claim. Also, Thomas stated straight away to me that he was the investigator, and he was concerned about having his identity revealed, but he was quite happy for me to share that I was in contact with the investigator. I did this in private with Patrick (our central repository for claims, and town in my view) and Gordon (who is confirmed town) in the first instance, and then in the thread on Day 4. Therefore, I believe that Thomas is the town investigator. 15 hours ago, Patrick Triggs said: As of yesterday the non-public claims were Jack, Thomas and Henry. Just to clarify, I did claim in public, but did not reveal what my role was. Was Timothy's claim public?
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jack Alden said: Was Timothy's claim public? No I don't think Tim's claim is public.
Joseph Finch Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 So here's who we have left and what they have claimed: Joseph - Mason, investigated as town Malcolm - Mason Patrick - Jailkeeper, almost 100% town Hammond - Blocker Nigel - Watcher, investigated as town Thomas - Investigator Henry - "Vanilla", investigated as town Timothy - PR, not claimed publicly, likely town, allegedly blocked for several nights Jack - either missed his claim or he hasn't claimed publicly either, investigated as town And scum killed AND blocked last night. I don't think Timothy and Hammond are working together - it's possible, but unlikely, and that option resolves the issues with who was blocked. It's also not too much of a stretch to say the Godfather has been investigated, and it's likely Jack or Henry. The role modifiers they have claimed behind the scenes are just as likely to be scum-aligned as town-aligned. The remaining scum have to be 2 of 3 of Hammond, Alden, and Ogden. For people doubting that Malcolm and I are masons, think about how hard that would be to pull-off as a fakeclaim. Assuming there were four scum to start with, we'd be risking half our team on one claim and betting neither of us would die, be investigated, or be caught doing anything at night. Even assuming I'm the godfather, which I'm not, do you really think malcolm would also be a godfather? We had no control over which of us got investigated. 50/50 chance we out both of us. And, we claimed this way back on Day 2 when scum were not in hot water yet, and Patrick hadn't even asked for claims yet. There would be no reason to claim masons, of all things, that early, it's a massive risk for scum. And since it seems everyone has a role of some sort, it's not too much a stretch to say scum got lucky in claiming one of Remy, Jane, or Pinkerton's roles. One of them was likely the vig, too, since we've never had more than one night kill...
Joseph Finch Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 I just realized something typing up a PM to triggs. The cop claim wasn't public yesterday, and unless they just got lucky that means scum were in contact with and knew who the cop was. Now, the cop has been operating through Jack until now - I was never contacted. Thomas can back this up. I didn't know I had been cleared until it was posted in thread. What if Jack is the Godfather? They tried to kill Thomas night 2 but barty was blocked by Triggs! Jack knew Thomas was going to try and investigate Malcolm tonight and when he got a town result he and Hammond couldn't push for my lynch today! So they blocked him. The only thing this doesn't explain is how Timothy got blocked last night. I think Louisa and Jack are the last two scum. Henry can't, he led the lynch on Barty. It's the only way I can fit everything together without Malcolm and I being scum, which we aren't. If you don't believe me, lynch me today to clear Malcolm tomorrow, then go after Hammond and Jack. I would be more than glad to lay my life down for my crew. After all, I don't have a night action, only the knowledge that Malcolm is town.
Jack Alden Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: It's also not too much of a stretch to say the Godfather has been investigated, and it's likely Jack or Henry. The role modifiers they have claimed behind the scenes are just as likely to be scum-aligned as town-aligned. The only person who I told about my role was Patrick and I made it very clear that no-one was to know what is was because it is useless if the scum know about it. Do you know what my role is because you have a role cop on your team? 26 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: And since it seems everyone has a role of some sort, it's not too much a stretch to say scum got lucky in claiming one of Remy, Jane, or Pinkerton's roles. One of them was likely the vig, too, since we've never had more than one night kill... Most likely Jane I think, because vig is also not consistent with Remy's claim about when his role would be useful. This leaves Alex as investigator. 26 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: Jack - either missed his claim or he hasn't claimed publicly either, investigated as town I did state in the thread that I have a role and that I would not be stating publicly what it was. Let me know if you can't find it and I will grab it later. 26 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: Even assuming I'm the godfather, which I'm not, do you really think malcolm would also be a godfather? We had no control over which of us got investigated. 50/50 chance we out both of us. And, we claimed this way back on Day 2 when scum were not in hot water yet, and Patrick hadn't even asked for claims yet. There would be no reason to claim masons, of all things, that early, it's a massive risk for scum. You make a point. But the other scenarios imply just as a big gambles on the part of scum ... 9 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: They tried to kill Thomas night 2 but barty was blocked by Triggs! I'm sorry, but since when do we know that scum tried to kill Thomas on Night 2? Care to share how you know? 9 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: Jack knew Thomas was going to try and investigate Malcolm tonight and when he got a town result he and Hammond couldn't push for my lynch today! I suggested three names to Thomas last night for investigation: Gordon - this was me agreeing with Thomas that it would be good to investigate him Timothy - this was suggested by Louisa and I passed it on to Thomas Malcolm - on the basis of suspicions that were raised by Patrick and my own suspicions about the mason claims. I did not tell him which one to go for.
Patrick Triggs Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Jack Alden said: This means that it was unlikely that scum had known who the investigator was at the time Thomas claimed to me. If Thomas was scum, it would have been a very risky proposition to claim investigator if there was a possibility that there could be a legitimate counter claim. This reasoning is valid; making an uncontested investigator claim takes a lot of stuff coming together, and a lot of confidence to boot. When voting opens I'll be voting for Malcolm also.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: I think Louisa and Jack are the last two scum. Henry can't, he led the lynch on Barty. Technically Pat and I led the lynch on Bart. The order was Pat, me, Tim, Nigel, Henry, Joseph, Geoffrey, Malcolm, Jack, Tom, and Gordon. 7 was required for the lynch. Also Bart voted for Tim.
Joseph Finch Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 My theory assumes scum tried to kill Thomas Night 2 (but Barty was blocked) since they knew he was the investigator. Well, Jack, Triggs told Malcolm and I everything that was claimed, and process of elimination leaves you and Henry with the two role modifiers.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 This is the vote order from yesterday for Geoffrey. Joseph, Tim, Henry, Malcolm, Patrick, Me, Gordon, Tom, Nigel, and Jack. Geoffrey voted for Tim.
Jack Alden Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 6:00 AM, Jack Alden said: I have a role and this is known to Patrick. I won't be sharing it publicly because that will render it useless. For Joseph's benefit ...
Timothy Dixon Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 50 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said: They tried to kill Thomas night 2 but barty was blocked by Triggs! Jack knew Thomas was going to try and investigate Malcolm tonight and when he got a town result he and Hammond couldn't push for my lynch today! But Louisa definitely targeted me last night. Which makes me believe she is town as the scum are unlikely have two blockers.
Louisa Hammond Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 Six was required for Geoffrey' lynch. lol 9 minutes ago, Louisa Hammond said: Vote order for Bart Pat, me, Tim, Nigel, Henry, Joseph, Geoffrey, Malcolm, Jack, Tom, and Gordon. Bart voted for Tim. 7 was required for the lynch. 2 minutes ago, Louisa Hammond said: Vote order for Geoffrey. Joseph, Tim, Henry, Malcolm, Patrick, Me, Gordon, Tom, Nigel, and Jack. Geoffrey voted for Tim. 6 was required for the lynch.
Joseph Finch Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Alden said: For Joseph's benefit ... Except Patrick told Malcolm and I.
Patrick Triggs Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 I said certain roles existed but I didn't say who had what.
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