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2 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

Jack Alden, claimed Town

Timothy Dixon, unknown

Myself, claimed Town Blocker

Patrick Triggs, claimed Town Jailkeeper

Joseph Finch, claimed Town Mason

Thomas Chapman, unknown

Malcolm Langley, claimed Town Mason

Geoffrey Holton, claimed Town Tracker

Gordon Smith, claimed Town Inventor

Henry Ogden, claimed Town

Nigel Clayton, claimed Town Watcher

 

And then factor in that the late Remy also had a PR role of some description. Something isn’t adding up here. There’s way too many roles for my liking. I don’t trust Gordon. And I don’t trust this whole inventor thing going on.

3 minutes ago, Malcolm Langley said:

Argg! You inheriting the kill would not have stooped a kill last night on its own, but you were blocked last night. I think what Geoffrey is trying to say is you could have easily been scum, not had a role days 1-3, then when Barty is killed off you inherit that kill. Only thing is your kill is blocked and thus no new kill. 

Ah ok. I see I was misinterpreting what Geoffrey had say. I feel like Louisa and Geoffrey are in kahoots together as evil Imperials. Louisa blocks me. Geoffrey conveniently suggests I may be responsible for the lack of kill during the night because of the block. The whole thing just fits together so well. I’m also not sure why everyone is suddenly trusting Louisa all of a sudden. Where is the proof she is town?

Posted

In other words, Geoffrey was grasping at straws.  There is a plausible case for Timothy being scum, but not a remotely likely one.

1 minute ago, Timothy Dixon said:

Ah ok. I see I was misinterpreting what Geoffrey had say. I feel like Louisa and Geoffrey are in kahoots together as evil Imperials. Louisa blocks me. Geoffrey conveniently suggests I may be responsible for the lack of kill during the night because of the block. The whole thing just fits together so well. I’m also not sure why everyone is suddenly trusting Louisa all of a sudden. Where is the proof she is town?

Zero proof she is town, but she claimed when she had no need to, and her claim could be counterclaimed by a townie if she were lying. She could be lying, but it’s even less likely than you being scum.

 

you need to follow your gut if you want to root out the imperial scum.

Posted
12 hours ago, Malcolm Langley said:

Argg! I be giving you another smelly question.  Do you know weather or not the inventor can give a scum an ability? Would it work for them or no? 

I would assume so. A doctor can protect scum and an investigator can target scum too, I believe I unintentionally can hand these items off to scum.

 

2 hours ago, Patrick Triggs said:

Does the cap'n tell you this information once a gift has been used? That seems... powerful

Plus the other public claims of blocker, jailkeeper, watcher, tracker, and masons. Privately, everybody has a claim. Too many informational roles for it to be true. We need to be thinking about a godfather, and we need to think about whose claims might not actually be true.

No. I do not get the information that is received through the use of my devices. I merely hand things out.

 

2 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

If Gordon is an inventor, did he give to one of the claimed power roles yesterday to confirm himself?

Seeing as how I cannot hand out the same invention twice in a row, no. I did hand Jack an investigation ability night 2, which he used on Nigel, and I handed Nigel a protection ability since I had been told he was cleared, but not that he was a jailer.

There are a bunch of power role claims, which is highly curious, and irregular. It’s not unheard of, these “role madness” scenarios, but I’m not one hundred percent sure we’re in one of those. Give me a bit, as I’m getting something clarified.

Posted

I don’t care about this twice in a row thing.  You have ‘town powers’, did you give them to an assumed townie last night?  Did you give Nigel protection on night 3?

Posted
15 hours ago, Jack Alden said:

I also investigated Nigel on Night 2 - with a loyal pirate result.

I am not the investigator, but was given a one shot magnifying glass by someone claiming to be an inventor.  This gift and the result came via our captain,  it directly from the claimed inventor.

That explains what I saw night 2 then. 

 

14 hours ago, Malcolm Langley said:

Man we sure do have a ton of PR's on this vessel. I'm pretty sure some of em ought to be liars! 

I'm starting to agree... it seems almost everyone is a PR... and now there are masons?... something seriously fishy is going on. There's definitely liars in our midst. 

1 hour ago, Timothy Dixon said:

And then factor in that the late Remy also had a PR role of some description. Something isn’t adding up here. There’s way too many roles for my liking. I don’t trust Gordon. And I don’t trust this whole inventor thing going on.

Ah ok. I see I was misinterpreting what Geoffrey had say. I feel like Louisa and Geoffrey are in kahoots together as evil Imperials. Louisa blocks me. Geoffrey conveniently suggests I may be responsible for the lack of kill during the night because of the block. The whole thing just fits together so well. I’m also not sure why everyone is suddenly trusting Louisa all of a sudden. Where is the proof she is town?

At this point I can't imagine both you and Louisa are on the same team together. For me I think either you are scum or Louisa is scum. Additionally Nigel's out of the blue claim is concerning me too.

It seems like we've publicly outed pretty much every PR which is exactly what I was hoping to avoid by checking out Patrick last night and claiming to him in private. 

1 hour ago, Henry Ogden said:

In other words, Geoffrey was grasping at straws.  There is a plausible case for Timothy being scum, but not a remotely likely one.

How so? Explain to me why a scum would try to kill the player most likely to be protected or watched? I'm not grasping at any straws here. I'm simply not scum. I needed to be sure Patrick was being truthful before claiming to him and telling him what I had learned. All this random public claiming is very disconcerting to me. I'm beginning to wonder if the scum have a role cop and got lucky figuring out the roles of ppl we've already lost. 

Posted

 

16 hours ago, Joseph Finch said:

More importantly, since it seems I’m cleared now, you can clear Malcolm Langley as well - we are Masons.

I’m still of the opinion there was a scum voting for Pinkerton Day 1. It’s too easy a lynch opportunity to completely pass up - with Remy dead, Malcolm a Mason, and Nigel cleared by Jack, that implicates the last man standing - Gordon.

Something to think about. 

The mason claims are the one that sit uneasily with me.

We seem to have role madness rive throughout the crew (Thanks Captain), and the mason claim is the easiest to get away with because it can't be counter claimed.  Also, it wouldn't show up if they were watched / tracked / investigated etc.  I appreciate that Joseph was investigated, but he would look like a pirate if he was the godfather. 

Having said that, I note that both of them are pushing for us to investigate Gordon, who was looking scummy early on, but seems to have become a more helpful townie in the last little bit.

Although there are some things in this post that need to be clarified:

16 hours ago, Gordon Smith said:

There’s the possibility that the jailer is in place instead of a doctor, as they fill similar roles. However, we won’t get far theorizing who is and isn’t still in play.

I can’t comment on how you feel about the possibility behind me being the odd man out on a hunch you have, but I was by no means quiet yesterday. I pushed Louisa on her claim, and was in private discussions with a number of people, namely Pattrick and Jack. I also know who the inventor is, and can further confirm that what Jack is saying is true: he did get a one-shot ability and used it to investigate Nigel. I also know that Nigel was given a one-shot ability, and used it to protect someone after Nigel was cleared. Who Nigel protected, I’m not sure. I know this because I am the inventor.

So, why are you pushing for my lynch, Joseph? There was no scum on the Pinkerton wagon day one.

We should talk and theorise about roles because the mix of claimed roles and actions will help us identify who is lying about claimed roles.

You were in discussions with me and am again now, but there was a significant downtime between our initial discussions and you letting me know you had given Nigel the vest.  I had wondered why you stopped talking to me after wanting to be a helpful townie.

You say Nigel protected someone, but he says he didn't use it last night??? When I got my magnifying glass (via the Captain), I asked if I had to use it straight away or if I could save it.  I was told I didn't have to use it straight away if I didn't want to.

You and Malcolm voted for Alex.  Ignoring you for the moment, how do you know Malcolm isn't imperial scum?

 

6 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

So your saying we have an investigator and a inventor correct?

yes

 

5 hours ago, Patrick Triggs said:

Does the cap'n tell you this information once a gift has been used? That seems... powerful

Plus the other public claims of blocker, jailkeeper, watcher, tracker, and masons. Privately, everybody has a claim. Too many informational roles for it to be true. We need to be thinking about a godfather, and we need to think about whose claims might not actually be true.

See above.

 

5 hours ago, Louisa Hammond said:

So I believe this is what we have so far.

 

Jack Alden, claimed Town

I have a role and this is known to Patrick.  I won't be sharing it publicly because that will render it useless.

Posted

Malcolm isn’t scum because I was investigated as town and we claimed Masons to Patrick and Nigel before I knew I was being investigated. 

Masons would be an incredibly risky fakeclaim to make because as soon as we’re tracked or watched doing something at night, or one of us dies, it would be all over and in a game of this size that’s likely half the scum team gone in one blow. 

We’ve our shared suspicions of Gordon for a while but because Triggs has rightfully kept most intel mostly compartmentalized, we weren’t aware he had claimed Inventor.

I don’t see how the Inventor claim could be false. There’s no other way he could have known about Nigel having/getting the one-shot protection unless Gordon, Jack, and Nigel are all scum together, which is possible, but highly unlikely. 

Posted
54 minutes ago, Jack Alden said:

 

The mason claims are the one that sit uneasily with me.

We seem to have role madness rive throughout the crew (Thanks Captain), and the mason claim is the easiest to get away with because it can't be counter claimed.  Also, it wouldn't show up if they were watched / tracked / investigated etc.  I appreciate that Joseph was investigated, but he would look like a pirate if he was the godfather. 

Having said that, I note that both of them are pushing for us to investigate Gordon, who was looking scummy early on, but seems to have become a more helpful townie in the last little bit.

Although there are some things in this post that need to be clarified:

We should talk and theorise about roles because the mix of claimed roles and actions will help us identify who is lying about claimed roles.

You were in discussions with me and am again now, but there was a significant downtime between our initial discussions and you letting me know you had given Nigel the vest.  I had wondered why you stopped talking to me after wanting to be a helpful townie.

You say Nigel protected someone, but he says he didn't use it last night??? When I got my magnifying glass (via the Captain), I asked if I had to use it straight away or if I could save it.  I was told I didn't have to use it straight away if I didn't want to.

You and Malcolm voted for Alex.  Ignoring you for the moment, how do you know Malcolm isn't imperial scum?

 

yes

 

See above.

 

I have a role and this is known to Patrick.  I won't be sharing it publicly because that will render it useless.

 

22 minutes ago, Joseph Finch said:

Malcolm isn’t scum because I was investigated as town and we claimed Masons to Patrick and Nigel before I knew I was being investigated. 

Masons would be an incredibly risky fakeclaim to make because as soon as we’re tracked or watched doing something at night, or one of us dies, it would be all over and in a game of this size that’s likely half the scum team gone in one blow. 

We’ve our shared suspicions of Gordon for a while but because Triggs has rightfully kept most intel mostly compartmentalized, we weren’t aware he had claimed Inventor.

I don’t see how the Inventor claim could be false. There’s no other way he could have known about Nigel having/getting the one-shot protection unless Gordon, Jack, and Nigel are all scum together, which is possible, but highly unlikely. 

Argg! Not much more I can add that Joseph did not already say. Even if one of us were the godfather it would still be a very risky deal as the other would not be the godfather and would still turn up scum, there would be no way to control who the Investigator would target either so the whole thing would be based on luck if it were true. No liars be in these bones. 

7 hours ago, Patrick Triggs said:

Plus the other public claims of blocker, jailkeeper, watcher, tracker, and masons. Privately, everybody has a claim. Too many informational roles for it to be true. We need to be thinking about a godfather, and we need to think about whose claims might not actually be true.

 

2 hours ago, Geoffrey Holton said:

That explains what I saw night 2 then. 

 

I'm starting to agree... it seems almost everyone is a PR... and now there are masons?... something seriously fishy is going on. There's definitely liars in our midst. 

 

According to Patrick everyone has claimed. So there is a 100% chance someone is lying. 

At this point I am willing to vote out Timothy or Geoffrey. There was no kill last night so something must of happened. Either Timothy was blocked or Patrick was well protected. There is a scum in one of these two. 

Posted

Or the scum didn't kill last night. They have been recruiting or just wanting to confuse us into lynching one of our PR's today.

As I said before, I don't think Geoffrey "tracking" Patrick last night is particularly a tell either way. However, the simplest explanation is usually the best one, and that's that scum have a tracker, explaining Geoffrey's results from the first few nights, and they tried to kill Patrick last night but he protected himself. 

Can we vote yet? 

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Jack Alden said:

 

The mason claims are the one that sit uneasily with me.

We seem to have role madness rive throughout the crew (Thanks Captain), and the mason claim is the easiest to get away with because it can't be counter claimed.  Also, it wouldn't show up if they were watched / tracked / investigated etc.  I appreciate that Joseph was investigated, but he would look like a pirate if he was the godfather. 

Having said that, I note that both of them are pushing for us to investigate Gordon, who was looking scummy early on, but seems to have become a more helpful townie in the last little bit.

Although there are some things in this post that need to be clarified:

We should talk and theorise about roles because the mix of claimed roles and actions will help us identify who is lying about claimed roles.

You were in discussions with me and am again now, but there was a significant downtime between our initial discussions and you letting me know you had given Nigel the vest.  I had wondered why you stopped talking to me after wanting to be a helpful townie.

You say Nigel protected someone, but he says he didn't use it last night??? When I got my magnifying glass (via the Captain), I asked if I had to use it straight away or if I could save it.  I was told I didn't have to use it straight away if I didn't want to.

You and Malcolm voted for Alex.  Ignoring you for the moment, how do you know Malcolm isn't imperial scum?

 

yes

 

See above.

 

I have a role and this is known to Patrick.  I won't be sharing it publicly because that will render it useless.

He gave me the ability to protect someone, a one shot deal.  I'm still holding onto that.  Lookin like I might be needing it.  I told the lot of you what I saw.  That man Geoffrey tryin to get into Triggs room.  

 

Posted
31 minutes ago, Malcolm Langley said:

At this point I am willing to vote out Timothy or Geoffrey. There was no kill last night so something must of happened. Either Timothy was blocked or Patrick was well protected. There is a scum in one of these two. 

I know I’m Town. I didn’t like Geoffrey’s reason for thinking I’m scum. It felt like a clear attempt to form a bandwagon. I think the one of the investigated players could be a godfather. It’s a possibility we can’t discard. I think it’s worth checking out Thomas as we have no information on him yet. 

Its clear from Nigel’s result. Geoffrey inherited the kill (or had it all along). And tried to target Triggs last night. So I’m going to Vote: Geoffrey Holton

Posted
1 hour ago, Jack Alden said:

I have a role and this is known to Patrick.  I won't be sharing it publicly because that will render it useless.

I can confirm this.

18 hours ago, Gordon Smith said:

and was in private discussions with a number of people, namely Pattrick and Jack.

This is a bit of a misrepresentation when it comes to me. All that happened there was that I mentioned a counterclaim to Louisa existed, a bit of a while before I claimed in the Day Three thread.

5 hours ago, Timothy Dixon said:

I don’t trust Gordon. And I don’t trust this whole inventor thing going on.

This has sat uneasy with me. There are too many informational and protective roles around and as far as I know the watcher, tracker and cop claims stack up. Vote: Gordon Smith

Posted
1 hour ago, Joseph Finch said:

Or the scum didn't kill last night. They have been recruiting or just wanting to confuse us into lynching one of our PR's today.

As I said before, I don't think Geoffrey "tracking" Patrick last night is particularly a tell either way. However, the simplest explanation is usually the best one, and that's that scum have a tracker, explaining Geoffrey's results from the first few nights, and they tried to kill Patrick last night but he protected himself. 

Can we vote yet? 

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

 

As I've said before I was trying to verify his claim to prevent the Town from making a huge mistake. This was before any of us knew for certain that Bart was scum and I figured I'd trust but verify since Henry had encouraged everyone to claim to Patrick. We can't afford all that information in the wrong hands. 

33 minutes ago, Timothy Dixon said:

I know I’m Town. I didn’t like Geoffrey’s reason for thinking I’m scum. It felt like a clear attempt to form a bandwagon. I think the one of the investigated players could be a godfather. It’s a possibility we can’t discard. I think it’s worth checking out Thomas as we have no information on him yet. 

Its clear from Nigel’s result. Geoffrey inherited the kill (or had it all along). And tried to target Triggs last night. So I’m going to Vote: Geoffrey Holton

My reasoning for thinking you're scum is that I know I'm not scum. I tracked Patrick last night and was successful. You were blocked from whatever your action may have been. There was no scum kill last night. It seems rather obvious to me that this would make YOU the scum killer. Unless the scum have some strange roles, there was a blocked scum kill last night and I know I'm not a killer, and no one else has spoken up about a protective role being used last night. Couple that with your behavior all game and it's rather clear to me that you're an imperial goon who inherited the kill.

Vote: Timothy Dixon  

Posted
5 hours ago, Henry Ogden said:

I don’t care about this twice in a row thing.  You have ‘town powers’, did you give them to an assumed townie last night?  Did you give Nigel protection on night 3?

You’re acting fairly aggressive, Ogden over something that’s been discussed. Just so it’s clear, though:

Nigel was confirmed town to me by Jack, who he investigated night two with a one-shot ability I gave him. I handed Nigel a protection ability last night. He claims to have not used it. I cannot tell you if he did use it or not, as it’s not in my power to know.

2 hours ago, Jack Alden said:

Having said that, I note that both of them are pushing for us to investigate Gordon, who was looking scummy early on, but seems to have become a more helpful townie in the last little bit.

Although there are some things in this post that need to be clarified:

We should talk and theorise about roles because the mix of claimed roles and actions will help us identify who is lying about claimed roles.

You were in discussions with me and am again now, but there was a significant downtime between our initial discussions and you letting me know you had given Nigel the vest.  I had wondered why you stopped talking to me after wanting to be a helpful townie.

You say Nigel protected someone, but he says he didn't use it last night??? When I got my magnifying glass (via the Captain), I asked if I had to use it straight away or if I could save it.  I was told I didn't have to use it straight away if I didn't want to.

You and Malcolm voted for Alex.  Ignoring you for the moment, how do you know Malcolm isn't imperial scum?

I am in agreement on your first point. We have a sort of WIFOM situation, as we have two likely scenarios taking place:

1. Individuals are fake claiming roles.

2. We are in the middle of Role Madness.

I felt like there wasn’t much to discuss and since I had Nigel confirmed as town, I decided to hand him a vest to protect someone. I also had other obligations going on.

I hadn’t confirmed whether Nigel had used it or not, and since I wasn’t sure if you had confronted Nigel about him turning town, didn’t want to approach him. Seeing as how I didn’t know he was Jailer, I handed him a role and assumed he would use it.

As for Malcolm, I have no knowledge that would make me believe that Malcolm cannot be scum.

39 minutes ago, Patrick Triggs said:

I can confirm this.

This is a bit of a misrepresentation when it comes to me. All that happened there was that I mentioned a counterclaim to Louisa existed, a bit of a while before I claimed in the Day Three thread.

This has sat uneasy with me. There are too many informational and protective roles around and as far as I know the watcher, tracker and cop claims stack up. Vote: Gordon Smith

You came to me asking who I was suspicious of. I said Louisa. You then told me in private that you had a counter claim to Louisa’s. 

So if you believe in Nigel’s claim, why are you dismissing the information he stated regarding me handing him a protection vest? Why would a loyal townie lie about that, and where did that vest come from? No one died last night, and no one else has counterclaimed me. Why are you voting for me when there’s enough evidence to back my claim as inventor, Pattrick?

Posted
10 minutes ago, Gordon Smith said:

You came to me asking who I was suspicious of. I said Louisa. You then told me in private that you had a counter claim to Louisa’s. 

So if you believe in Nigel’s claim, why are you dismissing the information he stated regarding me handing him a protection vest? Why would a loyal townie lie about that, and where did that vest come from? No one died last night, and no one else has counterclaimed me. Why are you voting for me when there’s enough evidence to back my claim as inventor, Pattrick?

Should be clearer: I don't doubt you're an inventor. I doubt that you're a town inventor. In the balance of investigations / masons and protections / blocks, there is just too much going on. We know that everyone has a claim. So some people must be lying.

Posted
2 hours ago, Joseph Finch said:

Or the scum didn't kill last night. They have been recruiting or just wanting to confuse us into lynching one of our PR's today.

As I said before, I don't think Geoffrey "tracking" Patrick last night is particularly a tell either way. However, the simplest explanation is usually the best one, and that's that scum have a tracker, explaining Geoffrey's results from the first few nights, and they tried to kill Patrick last night but he protected himself. 

Can we vote yet? 

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

 

Geoffrey could also just have “results”.  If scum have a role cop, they could have known Timothy was vanilla, and this would be an easy lie.

vote: Geoffrey Holton

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Henry Ogden said:

Geoffrey could also just have “results”.  If scum have a role cop, they could have known Timothy was vanilla, and this would be an easy lie.

vote: Geoffrey Holton

 

That's easier to believe than that I'm a tracker? :wacko:

Posted

Argg! I think looking we have a scum caught in the whole no kill last night predicament. I can't see why the scum would not kill, even if it confuse us it also hurts them by letting a useful kill go by. Recruitment is an option, buy honestly I have no idea how they would recruit anyone if apparently everybody has a role. 

Timmy or Geoffrey. Well I don't really care which we lynch tonight. It seems Geoffrey is the main course as of now and I'm fine with that. Compared to Timmy his voting record is scummier. I would however suggest some night actions upon Timmy tonight, just in case he was the one who was stopped. 

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

Posted

Voting is and has been open for the last few hours.

WIth 11 players, six is required to lynch. 

Vote Count:
Geoffrey Holton - 4 (Joseph, Timothy, Henry, Malcolm) 
Timothy Dixon - 1 (Geoffrey) 

Posted
16 minutes ago, Geoffrey Holton said:

That's easier to believe than that I'm a tracker? :wacko:

No, it’s easier to believe than

-that you assumed it was most important to investigate the claimed role you trusted most,

-that Timothy, who you claim did nothing, is the most likely scum,

-that Timothy, who was called out by Louisa, who you explicitly didn’t trust yesterday, is the most likely scum,

-that you chose to claim after being called out in thread rather than up front.

That’s another scum thing you’re doing, reframing the discussion and misrepresenting what was already stated about you. The townie way would be to at the least admit what is suss, rather than deny it’s there.  Pretty scummy :sceptic:

Hi Tariq!

Posted

What started as a straight forward scum catch has gotten complicated.  Triggs, ye were square on last night.  Ye know I be loyal to the captain and I was at the receiving end of one of the gifts.  Are you sure you want to point us down that stream?

Posted
2 hours ago, Geoffrey Holton said:

My reasoning for thinking you're scum is that I know I'm not scum. I tracked Patrick last night and was successful. You were blocked from whatever your action may have been. There was no scum kill last night. It seems rather obvious to me that this would make YOU the scum killer. Unless the scum have some strange roles, there was a blocked scum kill last night and I know I'm not a killer, and no one else has spoken up about a protective role being used last night. Couple that with your behavior all game and it's rather clear to me that you're an imperial goon who inherited the kill.

I'm not going to say that doesn't look scummy. But there are other possibilities too. The scum could have recruited that night. It's also possible they deliberately didn't male a kill if they knew I was being blocked too confuse the town today. My reasoning is the same as yours. I know I'm not scum. 

Posted

Henry and Nigel are right. Set a trap to catch scum and Geoffrey comes knocking? That's evidence and we need to take it seriously. It was dumb to fixate on having 11 claims going around- all those other suspicions can wait until tomorrow.

Unvote: Gordon Smith

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

Posted

We haven't had any counter claims meaning scum were very lucky in the roles they falsely claimed, or much more likely they do indeed have those roles except they are obviously not town aligned. 

53 minutes ago, Patrick Triggs said:

Henry and Nigel are right. Set a trap to catch scum and Geoffrey comes knocking? That's evidence and we need to take it seriously. It was dumb to fixate on having 11 claims going around- all those other suspicions can wait until tomorrow.

Unvote: Gordon Smith

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

Agreed. 

Vote: Geoffrey Holton

Posted

Geoffrey being caught trying to do something to Pattrick last night is the most suspicious thing currently going on. The fact he hasn’t claimed anything yet to my knowledge makes this more confounding.

Vote: Geoffrey

22 minutes ago, Tariq j said:

 

Hey, Tariq, how’s it going? :laugh:

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