What Roman Sets Would You Want?

[Tarfful]

This topic I started because of the 'Romas or Pirates' Topic which can be seen here.

The question is simple, what sets would you want if TLG made a Rome/Anchient Civilizations Theme?

This is the place for posting all your set ideas for such a theme, so lets post away and hope that TLG some day makes a Rome/Anchien Cilizations Theme...

Personally, I would like to see:

The Mighty Roman Onager- conatins Onager, 2 Roman soldiers, swoads, shields, and some boulders for the onager to shoot. Price $15.00

The Roman Ballistae- contains Roman ballistae, 1 Roman Soldier, spear and shield, and some spears for the ballistae to shoot. Price $6.00

Roman Battering Ram at the Barbarians Gate- contains Roman battering ram, 4 Roman Soldiers, Barbarian wooden gate with small wall section on each side, 2 Barbarians (like Gauls), swords, spears, shields, and bow and arrows. Price $40.00

Thats all for now, from me, now what are your ideas?

-Tarfful

[Tanotrooper]

Well, a "ballista" was a catapult, not the medieval ballista. But a scorpio (also some sort of catapult with crossbow like back) would be nice.

here's a list I once made:

lets compare 2007's castle line with a possibly roman line:

7094 king's castle siege -- **** roman camp

7093 skeleton tower -- **** roman outpost/tower or something for the enemy

7092 skeleton's prison carriage -- **** roman siege tower

7091 knights catapult defence -- **** roman catapult

7090 crossbow attack -- **** roman scorpio against enemy horseman

7009 final joust -- **** ???? a small set with some Romans against the enemy? Some Romans on march?

2nd half:

**** Roman battle arena (with gladiators etc.)

**** Roman galley

**** Roman soldier Impulse set

**** Roman emperor Impulse set

**** Gallic camp

2nd year: Greeks! (these could bring mythological creatures with them)

**** Greek ship

**** Greek army with Hydra (monster=allies against Rome)

**** Greek chariot

**** Greeks with minotaur

**** Greeks with cyclop against Romans

2nd year 2nd half:

**** Greek soldier Impulse set

**** Gallic soldier Impulse set

**** Spartans against Praetorians

**** Greek palace

3rd year: Egyptians!

**** Egyptian warship

**** Egyptian chariot

**** Egyptian palace

**** Egyptians with crocodile god

Also I'd say to LEGO: look at Playmobil for some Roman set ideas

TT

[Athos]

I imagine a line like this would be similar to Vikings.

So I'd guess we'd see:

Amitheatre/Colleseum/Hippodrome for ~$100

Fort for ~$50

Siege Engine/Catapult/Balista for ~$20

Trireme for ~$20

Soldier Training ~$10

Steve

[Tarfful]

Well, a "ballista" was a catapult, not the medieval ballista. But a scorpio (also some sort of catapult with crossbow like back) would be nice.

here's a list I once made:

lets compare 2007's castle line with a possibly roman line:

7094 king's castle siege -- **** roman camp

7093 skeleton tower -- **** roman outpost/tower or something for the enemy

7092 skeleton's prison carriage -- **** roman siege tower

7091 knights catapult defence -- **** roman catapult

7090 crossbow attack -- **** roman scorpio against enemy horseman

7009 final joust -- **** ???? a small set with some Romans against the enemy? Some Romans on march?

2nd half:

**** Roman battle arena (with gladiators etc.)

**** Roman galley

**** Roman soldier Impulse set

**** Roman emperor Impulse set

**** Gallic camp

2nd year: Greeks! (these could bring mythological creatures with them)

**** Greek ship

**** Greek army with Hydra (monster=allies against Rome)

**** Greek chariot

**** Greeks with minotaur

**** Greeks with cyclop against Romans

2nd year 2nd half:

**** Greek soldier Impulse set

**** Gallic soldier Impulse set

**** Spartans against Praetorians

**** Greek palace

3rd year: Egyptians!

**** Egyptian warship

**** Egyptian chariot

**** Egyptian palace

**** Egyptians with crocodile god

Also I'd say to LEGO: look at Playmobil for some Roman set ideas

TT

First off Tanotrooper Ballistae can be spelled with or without the E.

Second of all Rome did have a ballistae that is the predecesor to the medieval version, here is a reference pic:

Roman Ballistae or Ballista

Thirdly the Scorpio or Scorpian whichever you prefer is just an upright version of the Roman Ballista, reference pic:

Roman Scorpio or Scorpian

No illwill is meant by the previous statements :-) , I'm knowledgeable about history too. ;-) (It helps that I play the Total War game series. X-D )

On another note great list, but I think that TLG wouldn't give us both a Roman camp and a Gaelic camp; maybe a Roman frontier fort and a Barbarian settlement.

Something to add to the growing set ideas:

The Fearsome Roman Bireme- includes 6 Roman soldiers, 1 Roman Captain, Barbarian captive, plus accesories. Price $60.00

Reference pic:

Roman Bireme

-Tarfful

Edited April 2, 2008 by Tarfful

[Tanotrooper]

Yes, there probaply wouldn't be any rowers... except if it would be like the Viking ship.

Ballistae is the plural of ballista, as these are Latin words. Ballista itself at the Roman time means any sort of projectile throwing machine, as these could be horse catapults, the scorpio types, the machines we call ballistas today and "normal" catapults.

TT

[Tarfful]

I imagine a line like this would be similar to Vikings.

So I'd guess we'd see:

Amitheatre/Colleseum/Hippodrome for ~$100

Fort for ~$50

Siege Engine/Catapult/Balista for ~$20

Trireme for ~$20

Soldier Training ~$10

Steve

How very enthusiastic of you Athos. :-P

Seriously though a good, if a little unimaginitive, list you have there.

On another note can people stop assuming it's going to mirror the Fantasy Castle theme or Viking theme, it's getting annoying, I mean if TLG does it they'll probably surprise us with all kinds of goodies, since it would have to (relatively) not compete with castle they would make it different and interesting, they would not make it mirror another theme past or present. :-)

-Tarfful

Edited April 2, 2008 by Tarfful

[Tanotrooper]

I tried that, but people can't stop comparing it too castle and pirates...

We even have a 17 page long vote thread about it :-D

TT

[Tarfful]

Yes, there probaply wouldn't be any rowers... except if it would be like the Viking ship.

Ballistae is the plural of ballista, as these are Latin words. Ballista itself at the Roman time means any sort of projectile throwing machine, as these could be horse catapults, the scorpio types, the machines we call ballistas today and "normal" catapults.

TT

If there would be rowers it would probably raise the price as the rowers would be slaves in chains, which would double the minifig count, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Regarding the ballista ordeal sorry about the plural thing, my bad :-$ , I forgot about the Latin plural grammar.

Also just because ballista in Latin means "any sort of projectile throwing machine" doesn't mean Rome didn't give names to their creations or their ripoffs of other cilizations creations. ;-)

Oh, and their "normal" catapaults would have been called Onagers.

Also read the bold. :-P

-Tarfful

Edited April 2, 2008 by Tarfful

[Pencoin]

a collisueom for the large set and some battle packs i would want

[Tanotrooper]

If there would be rowers it would probably raise the price as the rowers would be slaves in chains, which would double the minifig count, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Regarding the ballista ordeal sorry about the plural thing, my bad :-$ , I forgot about the Latin plural grammar.

Also just because ballista in Latin means "any sort of projectile throwing machine" doesn't mean Rome didn't give names to their creations or their ripoffs of other cilizations creations. ;-)

Oh, and their "normal" catapaults would have been called Onagers.

Also read the bold. :-P

-Tarfful

But the "ballistae" was Latin plural, while I used the English plural "ballistas. In Dutch, both Latin and standard plural can be used on Latin and Greek words, I don't know how this is in English *wacko*

Onager... have to remember that word

TT

[Tarfful]

But the "ballistae" was Latin plural, while I used the English plural "ballistas. In Dutch, both Latin and standard plural can be used on Latin and Greek words, I don't know how this is in English *wacko*

Onager... have to remember that word

TT

It's ok TT your native tounge is Dutch and mine is English so of course we would have grammatical differences, as far as I know we only use the Latin plural version of the word ballista. ;-)

Yes you should remember it! :-P

Either that or start playin Rome: Total War for the PC. X-D It's a great game and is very accurate technology wise, it's an RTS (Real Time Strategy) dating from about 280BC-50AD revolving around the Roman Empire.

In fact you should play the whole Total War series, link to TotalWar.com here. (Shameless advertising I know.)

On another note reading Pencoins post I like the sound of Roman BPs. Some ideas:

Basic Roman BP- includes 2 Hastati (Light foot soldiers), 1 Standard Bearer, 1 Roman Calvaryman,

and 1 Roman Archer plus acessories. Price $12.00

Basic Gaelic BP- includes 2 Gaelic Swordsmen, 2 Barbarian Calvarymen, and 1 Barbarian Archer,

plus acessories. Prices $12.00

Roman Super BP "Fear the Turtle"- includes 10 Legionaries making the Turtle formation, their Captain, and their Standard Bearer, a weapons rack, Roman Tent and campfire, and a Scorpio (or Scorpian) X-D Price $22.00

Gaelic Super BP "Charge of the Barbarians"- includes 5 Light Gaelic Calvarymen, and 5 Heavy Gaelic Calvarymen,

(kinda like regular calvary and Knights for those of you who don't understand.) ;-) and their Captain, plus a weapons rack, and a Gaelic Tent and campfire. Price $22.00

-Tarfful

Edited April 2, 2008 by Tarfful

[Athos]

On another note can people stop assuming it's going to mirror the Fantasy Castle theme or Viking theme, it's getting annoying, I mean if TLG does it they'll probably surprise us with all kinds of goodies, since it would have to (relatively) not compete with castle they would make it different and interesting, they would not make it mirror another theme past or present.

Well since we are just speculating, I don't see how you can say that the suggestion that the line will be similar to Vikings is unsound. I don't see how a Roman line could support itself for more than a Viking-length run.

Here's how I support my position:

First off, I would argue assuming the future would substantially mirror the past, is a reasonable assumption (some would argue its the only rational assumption). So thus, expecting any Roman line to mirror previous historical lines (ala Vikings) is perfectly reasonable.

A Viking-esque smaller theme will not compete with Castle to the degree a fully developed line would. A fully developed intracate Roman theme would definately steal some of Castle's sales.

Further, once you've gotten past the fort, colleseum, etc., there isn't much else to do.

A temple, maybe. More than one, not likely.

The forum? Not likely. I can imagine the catalog description: "Build the Roman forum. Recreate the orations of Cicero and Seneca. Debate imperial policies with your little Lego senate. Stab Caesar 90 times on the steps. Also includes Caligula's horse...

Baths? Nude roman figures? I think not.

Battle Scene? Can you point to any similar set, in Lego history?

Would the new faction of Visigoths, to replace the Ostrogoths really get kids excited about a second year's run?

Maybe a new Lepidus faction would make a nice addition to the Anthony/Augustus storyline of the first year?

Your turn. ;-)

Though, I'm willing to admit I may be wrong and we'll see an extended Roman line. I just think its wishful thinking and pretty unlikely.

Until Indy came along, I'd have said our best hope for Romans was a JT line. Now I think our best bet is that it will be like Vikings.

Steve

[Tanotrooper]

Well, better that than nothing at all. If LEGO made an Ancient theme, things would be different of course.

-If lego would produce Romans, it would be from their most famous period, and would be the "golden age" soldiers, so the Hastati from the Republic times aren't likely

-I saw Rome Total War many times, might buy it (as its only 3€ on pc I think), but the uniforms are from the golden age (1-2nd centru AD), whilst the game goes until 50 AD as you said.

If you want to see things about Romans:

-If you want action, the social life in Rome, and the life of legionnaires, watch BBC's series "Rome" (2 seasons)

-If you want action, and mostly battles, with accurate unfiforms, watch BBC's series: The rise and fall of Rome (6 episodes)

(I even made a music video to it, you can see it at www.youtube.com/tanotrooper and it's about the final battle of the third Punic War against Carthage)

One thing: why do you English and Americans have to change people's names? Traianus becomes Trajan/Trojan, Carthago becomes Carthage, Octavianus becomes Octavian...

TT

[Athos]

One thing: why do you English and Americans have to change people's names? Traianus becomes Trajan/Trojan, Carthago becomes Carthage, Octavianus becomes Octavian...

We didn't want to sound like the sissy Romans... :-P

Steve