Rider Raider Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Then don't vote. We don't know that you are the vigilante or scum any more than we know the same about Adone. Sure, we could lynch scum today, but it has equal odds of lynching the vigilante, which, as you pointed out, would be a tragedy. Maybe you are tricking us into lynching the vigilante. If the scum and the vigilante were to kill each other tonight, the town would win. Maybe that's why you are opposed to it. What are the odds that the scum can recruit two games in a row? Unvote: Amelto Inzerillo (mostlytechnic)
mostlytechnic Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I put zero stock in your "two games in a row" logic - that's not how it works. Just like there's no hints in the picture, there's no reference to other games in this one (other than seeing people's play style - but there's no more or less likely to be recruiting in this game because there was before). And yes, a no lynch is better than lynching the vig. But there's still a risk there, which is why I'm pushing everyone to lynch Adone, the scum killer. Lynch him, and then I'll submit a kill of the next most likely person, and if he IS the last Ultimatio, then my kill won't occur. And if he's not the last, then hopefully I'll get another one. And I'm open to suggestions on who to take out. Although I think it'd have to be either Alarico or Godalupe, since our PR holder are pretty much ensured to be town (and I don't think I've ever heard of a PR being able to be recruited).
Umbra-Manis Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Random Thoughts: We have a roleblocker (Claim at least) if we go for a lynch today, couldn't we just have the blocker take care of the other suspect? Or, do recruit actions have a history of not being blockable?
Actor Builder Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Random Thoughts: We have a roleblocker (Claim at least) if we go for a lynch today, couldn't we just have the blocker take care of the other suspect? Or, do recruit actions have a history of not being blockable? That is a good plan, if the mechanics work out. I'll be the first to admit I don't know all the mechanics of Mafia. I would like to humbly suggest that we lynch Amelto, and block me, if we go this route. Also, Most everything that Amelto has said in favor of lynching me, I can say the same for him. I don't care to continually drag his name through the mud, but just because I haven't said much in a while doesn't mean I agree with what Amelto is saying. Rather I do agree with the essence of it, but I expect that we're all smart enough (even us noobs) to know that his arguments can go the other way as well, with me as the Vigilante, and him being Scum.
Khscarymovie4 Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Between Amelto and Adone, I think Adone is being the most scum like. Staying home on night one sounds like more if a veteran thing, and he thinks the best strategy is a no lynch. Why not lynch anyone when we have evidence of scum. If I am wrong, then we just lynch Amelto tomorrow. Vote: Adone Inzerillo (Actor Builder) We pretty much have this game in the bag, we just need 2 more votes.
Rider Raider Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Random Thoughts: We have a roleblocker (Claim at least) if we go for a lynch today, couldn't we just have the blocker take care of the other suspect? Or, do recruit actions have a history of not being blockable? That's what I was planning. I have no idea if recruiting is blockable, but I'll give it a shot.
JackJonespaw Posted June 14, 2016 Author Posted June 14, 2016 Current Votes - 3 Votes for Adone Inzerillo (Actor Builder) - mediumsnowman, mostlytechnic, Khscarymovie4 With 7 players, you need a 2/3 majority of 5 for a successful lynch. You have roughly 6 hours left.
mostlytechnic Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Adone, you're right, most of my arguments can go either way... that's why I threw out that it's really up to everyone to decide which of us looks scummier.
Khscarymovie4 Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Random Thoughts: We have a roleblocker (Claim at least) if we go for a lynch today, couldn't we just have the blocker take care of the other suspect? Or, do recruit actions have a history of not being blockable? This sounds like a good plan. The only thing is we need a lynch, we just need 2 more people.
Actor Builder Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 ...Staying home on night one sounds like more if a veteran thing... I'm quite weary of this argument. Yes, it may be more likely to come from a veteran, but that doesn't mean that I (A noob) don't have the logical and moral capacity to do the same. Go back and look at Day 1. I was in favor of a No-Lynch Day 1. Why? Because I didn't feel that killing someone so early in the game made sense. I was one of the main proponents of Lynching our host, because he's not really a player, and the rest of us had decided it was best to vote for someone, whether or not we lynched them. I had no clue who could be Scum at that point, so I voted for our host, as a matter of form. That night, I still (Naturally) had no clue who could be Scum. I stayed at home because I didn't feel justified killing someone without any inkling of who was the right person to kill, just as I had felt during the day. Day 2, I hesitantly joined the "Lynch Frank" train, because I didn't want it to be my fault that we missed our chance. I was unsure of Frank's loyalty. I'm glad to see now he was Scum. Now, insert the counterargument I'm sure someone will bring up: Adone didn't want to Lynch Frank because Adone is also Scum! Well, go back and you'll see that Amelto was actually the last to vote for Frank, and it was a superfluous vote. It was wholly unnecessary, we had already gotten Frank enough votes to lynch, and then here comes Amelto, late to the lynching party, claiming he had needed more time to be convinced. Night 2, the only people who hadn't voted (If I recall correctly) were Tariq J. and ,for all practical purposes, Amelto. I considered my options carefully, because I've never believed in lynching unnecessarily. I even said this on day one. One of my first posts: We stick to the rules. The four votes are your own doing. I'll make the accusation, and I'll defend it of not being ridiculous. But you can just be glad I don't believe in lynching unnecessarily... I had an idea that Tariq J. and possibly Amelto were Scum. I killed Tariq J. first, because I was curious as to whether or not he was immortal. I felt quite bad, honestly, immediately after sending in my night action. Our host very kindly gave me a pep-talk, for which I was thankful. When I saw that Tariq J. was truly scum, and I was correct, I was truly ecstatic. So, in short, the reason I didn't kill on Night 1, unlike most other noobs, apparently, is that I was scared to make a dumb mistake as a noob, and potentially lose the game from the beginning. I had hoped to make my point without blatantly accusing Amelto, or using his past words against him, but apparently I did not succeed in that. My only mistake thus far has been to introduce what I believed to be a viable new strategy to consider. I now understand that my optional strategy would not be best, as we have a blocker on our side. Being a noob, I didn't see all the options, and being a creative person, I invented a new one. I implore you all, please lynch the right person tonight. I am the Vigilante, and as much as I hate to say it, Amelto is the scum. Vote: Amelto Inzerillo (mostlytechnic) I know that being Town, I'll win either way, dead or alive, but I'd much rather it be alive. At the very least, if you lynch me, be certain to block Amelto. His claim to "Kill the next probable scum" instead of being blocked is illogical and atrocious. Letting the Scum (him or me, depending on who you believe.) do that instead of Blocking him would result in two town deaths. I don't know why he would suggest that, but I also made a poorly planned suggestion, so I harbor no animosity against him on that front. Thank you for listening. Godspeed.
mostlytechnic Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Since we're the only 2 still talking... Yep, I was the last vote on Frank. It was pretty obvious he was going to get lynched, so if I was his scumbuddy, I'd have thrown my vote in earlier to prevent exactly this accusation. Like you did. If you go back and look, I was consistent in defending him against what I thought was a poorly thought accusation. I still think it was not the best logically, but it did work out. But the thing that changed my mind finally was Masharin's tracker claim, since that made it clear that Frank was scum. So as soon as I saw that, I voted against Frank. Check the record from yesterday - the first time I posted after the tracker claim was when I voted. I simply wasn't online earlier to do it. Speaking of yesterday's vote - where did Frank put his? On Adone. Seems scummy in retrospect. Yes, it's some serious WIFOM, since Frank's good enough to know we know that he knows that we know that his vote could be taken either way... so was he trying to deflect suspicion from his scumbuddy? Or not? Again, everyone's call to make. And it has been fun dueling with you Adone. One tip for the future based on your post above this one - it's a game, not personal. Don't feel bad killing people off. Don't feel bad playing as a scum and killing loyal townies off either. And don't feel bad if you're ever the vig and get a call wrong and kill a teammate. I've done it. It happens.
mediumsnowman Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Since we're the only 2 still talking... The anti-tank missile is still here! I just don't have much to say. I look forward to seeing the flips tomorrow, and hopefully a town win. The voting records from yesterday are interesting, what with Franks vote on Adone, and Amelto abstaining until the last minute to vote on what is now a confirmed scum. I don't think it's enough to change my vote. As with this entire day, neither of the options seem more scummy than the other. I'm still worried about the possibility of a recruit action, but it seems pretty far out. Random thought, don't put too much stock in it: What if MacK was the vig and stayed home Night 1, and the scum recruited MT or AB? Then both of them claim vig today and whoever doesn't get lynched looks really townie and the scum roll to as easy victory. Agh, this game makes my head hurt...
Actor Builder Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Frank's good enough to know we know that he knows that we know that his vote could be taken either way... "Am I the sort of man...." Random thought, don't put too much stock in it: What if MacK was the vig and stayed home Night 1, and the scum recruited MT or AB? Then both of them claim vig today and whoever doesn't get lynched looks really townie and the scum roll to as easy victory. Agh, this game makes my head hurt... Now you're thinking like me! I seem to recall someone telling me that... Bussing a teammate would be an idiotic move in such a small game. How odd.
JackJonespaw Posted June 14, 2016 Author Posted June 14, 2016 Okay, day's over. Sorry, I shoulda said it a few hours earlier, was out of the house. And no one got lynched. Get those night actions in!
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