Kingdoms Mafia - Day Two

[Mencot]

Oh howst bad th't whent, oh poor Mairn. He was so quick tempered, especially when drunk...

Don´t know 'bout th' night kill why Klaer would had been choose, she barly spoke up yesterday like ye others had said (one comment?) 'bout was it a vig or assassin hit, I don´t know but with a small members in th's place, it can go both ways as a kill (IMO) hopfuly we have our vig.

1. Sadly, more than a fourth, since some of the people here are cowardly assassins. I'd assume it's more like a third of the town gone! something along the lines of 3 assassins and 9 of us town to begin.

2. Vengefuls don't always claim, hoping either for scum to be the final vote and die, or because it's sorta a crappy claim to make. "Hey, you can't lynch me or you die!" comes across poorly.

3. I would HOPE the vig stayed home last night! There wasn't anything strongly scummy enough for the vig to kill over, and with so few people in this town, we don't have bodies to spare.

I have often advocated for no-lynch day 1 before, but it does seem odd that SO MANY didn't vote at all! Those of you who didn't vote definitely need to explain yourselves.

In fact, I'm going to start things off and

Vote: Glanred (Mencot)

because you were the most talkative person who didn't vote yesterday. Time to start talking today!

Aye, I be sorry ´bout not voting yesterday but I somehow run out of time because I didn´t find any resonable reason who to vote for when going through all the comment... all three who where on th' stand did see just as scummy 'nd ecually not.

Today I have to do a better job tryin' to find a reason behind all th' talkin.

Ye gave a good reason to vote for me Wilfred but I am nay one of th' bastard dragon assasins.

[def]

Sorry, I'm well behind on things. Not happy to see three deaths. With a starting population of 12, a SK is pretty irresponsible. On top that, a vig with this situation needs to be super-conservative. Killing night one on mere hunches is, also, irresponsible. Let's slow things down folks.

[Lady K]

I think he's saying that you were the deciding vote before Mairn stepped in and cast the deciding vote very very late in the day.

I was thinking the same thing. Which is why I replied that with five other non voters, I was not the deciding vote because I was not the last one to to vote. Any one of the others could have stepped in as well and been a deciding vote. Mairn made the choice to step in as a deciding vote, no one made him do it and he could have chosen to not do it and thus the day would have ended in a no lynch unless someone else voted or changed their vote.

Actually, I was saying she (or any of the others who didn't vote) could have been the deciding vote by voting and creating a tie and thus a no lynch. If she was against a lynch, she could have voted and created a tie instead of standing idly by and watching a now known townie die. A no vote is a good place for scum to hide because they can claim they weren't part of a town lynch.

I disagree with this. I never said I wanted a no lynch or a lynch. I simply chose to not vote because I was not comfortable with the choices. Considering how much scrutiny I am going through for my choice and reason for not voting, I highly disagree that not voting is a good place for scum to hide. Those who chose to not vote will always come under scrutiny so how is that a good place to hide?

A good place for scum to hide is in looking like they are trying to be helpful while focusing on townies who choose not to vote. If one or more of the scum chose to not vote, which I doubt, then they sure are getting away with it by your constant focus on me alone. Or is that what you are really trying to do here....keep the focus on me, I am town, and off one of your scum buddies who chose to not vote. Just saying, it is a possibility.

Sorry, I'm well behind on things. Not happy to see three deaths. With a starting population of 12, a SK is pretty irresponsible. On top that, a vig with this situation needs to be super-conservative. Killing night one on mere hunches is, also, irresponsible. Let's slow things down folks.

I agree with this.

[mostlytechnic]

I have much to say but only a moment before church begins. I shall certainly be praying for the king today. One quick question TO the king.... What doth occur if there be a tie vote? The rules don't specify. Be there two lynches? No lynches? First to get to that number of votes dies?

[Dragonfire]

I have much to say but only a moment before church begins. I shall certainly be praying for the king today. One quick question TO the king.... What doth occur if there be a tie vote? The rules don't specify. Be there two lynches? No lynches? First to get to that number of votes dies?

If there is a tie vote, nobody will die.

[mostlytechnic]

If there is a tie vote, nobody will die.

Thank you for that clarification. It's what most people seem to be expecting, but not what I was. So that impacts how I think about actions from yesterday...

[JackJonespaw]

Thank you for that clarification. It's what most people seem to be expecting, but not what I was. So that impacts how I think about actions from yesterday...

It would have made sense, say that there are three votes, one for each person. At the end of the day, all three are killed? My boy, does that not seem a bit cruel?

[mostlytechnic]

I didn't try to hide my voting record because there is nothing to hide. I am town, and because I chose yesterday to not vote doesn't mean I will choose to not vote again. So what are you really after here?

Not voting is hiding your voting record, since now we don't have any vote from you on day 1 to analyze later.

May I remind you that there were six of us who chose not to vote. Why is it then that you are not calling the rest of them out for explanations? Only two of us have stated why we chose not to vote, and poor Klaer is dead, she too chose not to vote. Scrutinize me if you will, but don't get so focused that you lose sight that I was not alone in not voting and three others have not stated why they chose not to vote. And some haven't even graced us with their presence yet today.

Oh, I'm not ignoring the rest. They'll all get grilled. You're here and talking, so you get interrogated first

Why are you insisting that I was a deciding vote? I was not the deciding vote as there were others besides myself who chose not to vote. A deciding vote is the last one cast in a tie situation, which was Mairn on Day 1. If I had voted and created a tie, hence no lynch situation then any of the other five could have voted and broken the tie. Then that person would have been the deciding vote.

I'm not giving much weight to the "deciding vote" thing since anyone could be the decider, even someone who had already voted, since they could unvote and change the outcome at the last minute.

Aye, I be sorry ´bout not voting yesterday but I somehow run out of time because I didn´t find any resonable reason who to vote for when going through all the comment... all three who where on th' stand did see just as scummy 'nd ecually not.

Day 1 never has a "good" lynch target. It's about starting a vote record and looking back at it later. So not voting is now your record, which looks back IMHO.

Sorry, I'm well behind on things. Not happy to see three deaths. With a starting population of 12, a SK is pretty irresponsible. On top that, a vig with this situation needs to be super-conservative. Killing night one on mere hunches is, also, irresponsible. Let's slow things down folks.

Really? One was a day kill after the lynch, so most likely a vengeful-type scenario. The night kill is almost certainly the scum, since I would expect the vig to have stayed home last night with so few people around. There's a tiny chance that the vig killed Klaer hoping he was a quiet assassin and the scum were prevented from their kill somehow, but odds are against that scenario I'd think.

It would have made sense, say that there are three votes, one for each person. At the end of the day, all three are killed? My boy, does that not seem a bit cruel?

Yes, killing them all seems cruel. However, I've seen events before where the first to reach that number of votes is the lynch, so that someone gets lynched every day. That's why I was seeking clarification. I didn't want to just assume that tie=no lynch.

[jluck]

Eustice, I don't mean to single you out. I still feel several things you're saying don't add up and I'm keeping that in mind going forward, but I've got another thing bothering me. Seriously where is everyone?! We've gotten nowhere, several people didn't vote, and now many people haven't commented? Forget the fact that it's unfair to the king who's working hard for this, it's also totally ruining any chance we have of catching the assassins. Were there any night results to consider or anything we can build off of today?

[Lady K]

Eustice, I don't mean to single you out. I still feel several things you're saying don't add up and I'm keeping that in mind going forward, but I've got another thing bothering me. Seriously where is everyone?! We've gotten nowhere, several people didn't vote, and now many people haven't commented? Forget the fact that it's unfair to the king who's working hard for this, it's also totally ruining any chance we have of catching the assassins. Were there any night results to consider or anything we can build off of today?

Mr. Blost, if something doesn't add up then maybe you are over thinking, over analyzing the situation. It was only Day 1, and it turned out pretty typical for Day 1. If you did not wish to single me out, then you should have called out others directly by name that you wished to here more from.

I agree with you on wondering where everyone is. I would have thought based on the most recent previous lives that we would not want a repeat of losing innocent townies due to lack of good communication amongst us. If there were any good night results then I would hope those who got them would proceed (with caution) to talk privately with each other. We will only have who is here to truly judge how Day 2 will end.

I for one would like to here more from Mr. Felix Anderson. Are the fish biting so well that he hasn't the time to join us for a few thoughts, comments, or questions? Not even one post yet today. Yet yesterday his post consisted of voting for Rath (who had voted for him) with no valid reason given. Revenge voting perhaps?

Vote: Felix Anderson (KingoftheZempk)

Sorry, hear not here.

Ok, actually I would like to hear more from him here.

[Duvors]

Eustice, I don't mean to single you out. I still feel several things you're saying don't add up and I'm keeping that in mind going forward, but I've got another thing bothering me. Seriously where is everyone?! We've gotten nowhere, several people didn't vote, and now many people haven't commented? Forget the fact that it's unfair to the king who's working hard for this, it's also totally ruining any chance we have of catching the assassins. Were there any night results to consider or anything we can build off of today?

That last part sound a bit like fishing dear.

[JackJonespaw]

That last part sound a bit like fishing dear.

It does, but I've got to agree with him here - we have learned virtually nothing new since yesterday. The best that I'm hoping is that there are a few people out there who are working with some kind of communication so we can actually rule people out and focus on those most suspicious based on night results. But I do agree with you here, my lady, that no one should say any results out loud in the thread unless they are extremely confident that it will benefit us.

[jluck]

That last part sound a bit like fishing dear.

It's completely and unabashedly fishing. Obviously, I don't want someone to blurt "I'm the cop and here's my result" but I really don't want a repeat of day 1, where we knew nothing going in, lost 3 townies, and still knew nothing going out. If we don't make progress today, it's over. So no, people shouldn't shout out their roles, but if there is valuable info out there then we need to use it. If we don't use it today, we may not have a chance to use it tomorrow.

[KotZ]

I for one would like to here more from Mr. Felix Anderson. Are the fish biting so well that he hasn't the time to join us for a few thoughts, comments, or questions? Not even one post yet today. Yet yesterday his post consisted of voting for Rath (who had voted for him) with no valid reason given. Revenge voting perhaps?

Vote: Felix Anderson (KingoftheZempk)

Sorry, hear not here.

Ok, actually I would like to hear more from him here.

Yes, the fish were biting quite well this morning, sorry I lost track of time and forgot to meet up. I'll be totally honest it was certainly a revenge vote yesterday. Stupid? Yes. But I think there have always been revenge votes before.

Does anyone have an idea on how many Assassins there are? Two? Three?

[mostlytechnic]

It does, but I've got to agree with him here - we have learned virtually nothing new since yesterday. The best that I'm hoping is that there are a few people out there who are working with some kind of communication so we can actually rule people out and focus on those most suspicious based on night results. But I do agree with you here, my lady, that no one should say any results out loud in the thread unless they are extremely confident that it will benefit us.

I'm with Blost here - there's so few of us that we can't take days and days to build a town block carefully and be as cautious as normal in revealing info. If there's 3 assassins, today could very possibly be the last day (if we choose badly and lynch a townie, scum kill a second, and lose two more to vig/vengeful/bomb/SK/whatever). Yes, odds are that we'll have a day 3 (even losing 3 townies again wouldn't end the game since I don't think there's be 4 assassins, and if it's 3:3 then it's not over yet)

Minutia about numbers aside, it's critical that we know everything we can to find an assassin today. So anyone who has night results should be more aggressive than usual in revealing them. It's day 2 out of what'll likely be a 3 or 4 day game, so don't look at it as day 2. Look at today as one of the last days in the hunt.

And since they're the ones with the most info, how about I try this again -

Hey assassins! I'm not real clear on why you want our king dead. Some sorta dispute over some forest or something? Heck, maybe you need a mediator to work things out instead of killing him. Talk to me, and I'll see what I can do. I'd rather not see anyone else die... these are my friends here!

Does anyone have an idea on how many Assassins there are? Two? Three?

My gut says 3, but it's a guess obviously. 2 assassins would be a 5:1 ratio, and 3 would be 3:1. So 2 is actually more likely, but that seems SO small that I'm leaning 3. Plus I'd rather err on the side of assuming there's more enemies than there really are than the reverse.

[JackJonespaw]

My gut says 3, but it's a guess obviously. 2 assassins would be a 5:1 ratio, and 3 would be 3:1. So 2 is actually more likely, but that seems SO small that I'm leaning 3. Plus I'd rather err on the side of assuming there's more enemies than there really are than the reverse.

Well, lads, 3:3 isn't preferable for a Day 3, and I'd much rather turn that into a, say, 2:5, obviously.

Unfortunately for us, the number of assassins won't go down if we don't do anything about it. So I'm going to - right here - run through everybody and see who is most suspicious.

Hmm...

Those most suspicious to me are:

Glanred, I'd like to hear a bit more from the lad, first. Yesterday, lad, your last post was: "This was why is comment "Hmm"earlier on his voting also. It actually looks like trying to jump on the easy bandvagon... "sniff" and it doesn´t smell good.", in reference to the late Corporal's hypocrisy and bandwagoning after chiding me myself for doing the same thing (although I wasn't). It seemed to me, at least, that Glanred here would be voting for the Corporal, yet his next post made no reference to it, despite us needed his vote for a lynch (until Mairn stepped in, of course). And today, boys, listen well, he says: "I didn´t find any resonable reason who to vote for when going through all the comment." I would quite enjoy hearing from Sir Glanred here about just what changed his mind about voting for the Corporal when it seems even the stars themselves pointed towards him voting for the Corporal. A good explanation could help you here, my friend.

Sergeant and Mister Skarbin, why, exactly, did you refrain from voting yesterday? I realize you, Mister Skarbin, had voted upon Mr. Anderson, but when you removed it, why not between myself or the late Corporal? And I ask you the latter part of that question, too, Lady Moreton.

Now, Sir Eustace, you have been blundering about with a little dash of contradiction, at least it seems so to me. You've explained yourself out of most of it, but something fishy is there still, I would bargain, but consider yourself on the metaphorical medieval backburner here, lad.

Dear King, might you tell us how long is left before the glorious sun sets on this day?

[Umbra-Manis]

I was deliberating 'tween you both, but the clock difference messed me up. I thought I had another hour to vote.

[Lady K]

Yes, the fish were biting quite well this morning, sorry I lost track of time and forgot to meet up. I'll be totally honest it was certainly a revenge vote yesterday. Stupid? Yes. But I think there have always been revenge votes before.

Does anyone have an idea on how many Assassins there are? Two? Three?

Thank you for showing up and being honest about your vote yesterday Mr. Anderson.

I have to agree with Mr. Orann that there is probably three assassins amongst us. Now I know you have been on me about not establishing my voting record yesterday by not voting, but let me tell you my theory on the results of yesterday on those who did and didn't vote.

We had 12 members to start with. Six voters and six non-voters.

Voted: Blost and Banning voted for Fitzwilliam, Orann, and Fitzwilliam voted for Banning, Anderson and Upswich voted for Skarbin.

Non-voters: Radford, Moreton, Skarbin, Glanred, Almoner (myself), Messell

Now then, with three two votes each candidates, Upswich changes his vote (to be the hammer deciding vote) from Skarbin to Banning. Thus giving Banning three votes and Banning is lynched who then takes Upswich as the hammer vote with him to his death. Both turn up town, along with Messell who is killed doing a recon mission alone at night.

That leaves, left alive, Blost (voted Fitzwilliam), Orann and Fizwilliam (voted Banning), and Anderson (voted Skarbin). As well as five of the non-voters (myself included).

Given that I feel there are probably three assassins, I would venture that at least two hid in those that did place a vote knowing that those of us who didn't place a vote would come under scrutiny today. And I would even venture to say that at least one if not two are hiding in those who are active, again knowing those who post very little will come under heavier scrutiny than those that are appearing to be helpful by simply posting.

So we have Blost, Orann, Fitzwilliam, Anderson (those who voted) and Radford, Moreton, Skarbin, Glanred, Almoner -me, (non-voters) to choose from. I included myself here due to no one else but myself knowing that I am loyal to the king. Again I would wager that two assassins are among the four that voted and one is among the non-voters.

[Dragonfire]

if it's 3:3 then it's not over yet)

As host, I'd like to clarify that if the number of surviving Townies is equal to the number of surviving Drakenguard Assassins, then the Assassins will automatically win the game, as it has been the case for almost all previous games here. For numbers purposes, any Independent players will count as part of the Town in this case.

Dear King, might you tell us how long is left before the glorious sun sets on this day?

Certainly. You have approximately 39 hours remaining.

Vote Tally

Glanred (Mencot) - 1 (mostlytechnic)

Felix Anderson (KingoftheZempk) - 1 (Lady K)

[Duvors]

It's completely and unabashedly fishing. Obviously, I don't want someone to blurt "I'm the cop and here's my result" but I really don't want a repeat of day 1, where we knew nothing going in, lost 3 townies, and still knew nothing going out. If we don't make progress today, it's over. So no, people shouldn't shout out their roles, but if there is valuable info out there then we need to use it. If we don't use it today, we may not have a chance to use it tomorrow.

That seems reasonable.

I was deliberating 'tween you both, but the clock difference messed me up. I thought I had another hour to vote.

I will take the clock difference at face value, however I can not do so for your 'deliberation'. The only thing you did yesterday was vote for someone for a reason that was utterly ridiculous even by day one standards and then unvoted them as soon as you were challenged about it. I did not see any 'deliberation'.

[JackJonespaw]

Any Independent players will count as part of the Town in this case.

Which means there could be an SK around here....

[jluck]

Which means there could be an SK around here....

I'm cautious on speculating too much there. The hosts almost always mention third parties just to protect the games secrets but im not gonna base my theories off that comment.

[mostlytechnic]

But an SK with so few? That'd make for a SUPER fast game. I'd be surprised if there is a 3rd party in something this small. Except for the fact that 3 scum seems too many and 2 seems too few. Maybe there's some sort of non-killing independent role? Cult? Too few people. Survivor/lyncher? Maybe, but why? Jester? They'd have been obvious by now. So is there anything else that could effectively be like half a scum to balance things? Like there's 2 scum plus something else? A SK is too much for that, since it's adding a full kill. Unless it's a partial-SK, meaning they only have 1 or 2 kills or something like that.

And yes, I'm just speculating about mechanics since there's not a ton else going on. We've harassed Sir Eustace there today and not a whole lot of other conversation, so I'm just talking to take my mind off of wanting a drink...

[def]

For the record, I am in touch with the investigator, I have been investigated as town. If anyone wants to claim, I won't demand it since I'm not perfectly cleared, but on a hunch, you could trust me and we could bulldoze the scumbums.

[mostlytechnic]

For the record, I'm inclined to believe you. You could be scum making a gamble, but you'd be betting the entire game pretty much on this (unnecessary) play. You'd be betting that the investigator is among the 3 dead. Somewhere around 1:3 odds, so not great. And if you were lying, you'd be dead (although likely outing the investigator in the process...) So I'll buy it.