Stripped Test Car

[Grosse Kind]

Was discussing with a mate the other day of maybe doing a naked version of 8880. No body, mirrors, lights, spoiler, frippery and so on. Just let the tech stuff show itself. Not done it yet, but thought as it was quick and easy to do i'd rip off the basics from 8865 to get it a little more 8860 like and see what i came up with. Sadly, i don't think they did too bad a job with the oft maligned standard panelwork.

Not quite to my tastes but has me wondering, rather than adding bodies to 8860 and 853 as most seem to, has anyone built a stripped down 8880 and a 8448? Be keen to see if somebody had please.

Ta muchly, glen

Edited January 11, 2016 by Grosse Kind

[Lakop]

That's my first technic set 20yrs ago. I still use the parts to this day (long live studded beams).

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[efferman]

A christmas gift a long long time ago. Thanks for bringing back the memories.

[grum64]

I have this set somewhere, time I think to hunt it out.

Is that dust I see on them there parts Glen?

[Lipko]

Still my favorite official set. Looks so rugged and sexy. And to be honest, I don't like the two mods at all.

[Grosse Kind]

And to be honest, I don't like the two mods at all.

Hiya. By mods you mean the idler gears on the steering rack and RHD?

I have this set somewhere, time I think to hunt it out.

Is that dust I see on them there parts Glen?

It's a delight to put together Grum. Quite uncompromised in its functionality and with a couple of little changes here and there is an absolute sweetheart to play with. The third "idler" shaft between the in and output items in the cogbox can like 8860 lead to the occasional missed shift but the ratios and operation are great. Friction pins may stuff you a little but, though some have suggested make use of the newer style.

Dust? What dust? Must be your screen cos i live in australia, a totally dust free country with a national policy procluding dirty lego punishable by sarcasm and disdain.

[LEGO Train 12 Volts]

Fantastic set when a was a child ...I love these pictures and I like also the dust on this car!

[grum64]

Dust? What dust? Must be your screen cos i live in australia, a totally dust free country with a national policy procluding dirty lego punishable by sarcasm and disdain.

Upon zooming in on your pics I now see that the dust is UK spec. It must have found its way to Oz on the 8868 :laugh:

[Grosse Kind]

Some pomgolian dust from your 8868 Grum, and some from over there via one of the 8865's from that other gentleman Norman Hartford. One thing i love about this model is its lack of stickers and electrics so if the dust bothers me i can just drown and scrub it. Gladly theres not much to pull off the 8880 that would be ruined but can't call that ones isle-trapped seller a gentleman, and the dust can stay anyway. Not like i've finished tinkering with any of them anyway.

So then, no takers on anybody having done away with the super street senso or the big black supergirls carosserie?

[grum64]

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Some pomgolian dust from your 8868 Grum, and some from over there via one of the 8865's from that other gentleman Norman Hartford. One thing i love about this model is its lack of stickers and electrics so if the dust bothers me i can just drown and scrub it. Gladly theres not much to pull off the 8880 that would be ruined but can't call that ones isle-trapped seller a gentleman, and the dust can stay anyway. Not like i've finished tinkering with any of them anyway.

Edited January 13, 2016 by grum64

[Kumbbl]

I love 8865, still best suspension performance i know for a supercar, regardless if TLG model or one of the MOCs out there...

And it is Technic stripped to its essence

But: these 1st gen black pins with friction are a pain in the megablocks when time comes for dismanteling... Ruins your fingertips and really hurts

I strongly recommend to each builder of this model to replace the iriginal black pins completely with current ones. It's a cheap buy via bricklink and worth each cent...

[Grosse Kind]

I love 8865, still best suspension performance i know for a supercar, regardless if TLG model or one of the MOCs out there...

And it is Technic stripped to its essence

But: these 1st gen black pins with friction are a pain in the megablocks when time comes for dismanteling... Ruins your fingertips and really hurts

I strongly recommend to each builder of this model to replace the iriginal black pins completely with current ones. It's a cheap buy via bricklink and worth each cent...

Alternately, don't dismantle. They're aren't that bad. If you were kitbashing to build one maybe but throwing away what works because something else might be "better", strikes me as waste for neo-retromadnesses sake. As evidenced by mine, they can release if needed, and they give good grab.

My suggestion to Clive was as to his assembly method, perhaps the current pins would be less of a battle to slip it together rather than being stressed on how to get it back to base components.

8865,though ungainly in proportions, does it for me more than i had been suspecting pre ownership. Springing is great, steering is nice, gorgeous trans and the V4 seems smooth and low inertia. Very glad i bought one, happier still that i grabbed a second when i scored a cheapie.

Its not my beloved 8860, but doesn't suffer for not being.

[Kumbbl]

No. The current pins are not just better, but the First gen is simply crap

[Grosse Kind]

Yeah, nah. Not swallowin it bloke. They may be stiff and abject to removal, but as a pin to add as stated "friction", they fulfill their design brief quite nicely. They predate this model by 6 years and though running changes in production occur and all as per strengthening of gears and universal joints, not all that gets superseded needs turfing. They're also period specific meaning whoever i leave my collection to can enjoy or curse the model as it was when it was made.

[Kumbbl]

Sry for insisting but this 1.st gen black pin is simply a faulty design because for a kid it is quite impossible to dismantle a model build with them.

So a toy build with them is no longer a toy which is intented to be Build and also to be dismanteled to build something else (eg. The b-model)

So i repeat my recommendation: throw away These crapy iriginal pins, buy a bunch of current ones and Build this great model with the new ones. You wont regret it.

[Lipko]

I got this model for Christmas when I was 7 (in 1992), and I remember than after finishing it and paying with it for some hours, I disassembled if to build the B model, then disassembled it to rebuild the A model again.

So I don't get this pin thing Krumbbl is saying.

[Jockos]

I think I got it: maybe he means that the old pins was really hard to get out of their place.

[Lipko]

I think I got it: maybe he means that the old pins was really hard to get out of their place.

I wasn't a strong kid or anything, and I could pull out a big quantity of them (disassembling a whole model). Or there was a generation before '92 that was even worse (and the pins in older sets, like 8865, was replaced)?

[Grosse Kind]

Second pin type was 1990 intro and on my 8850 that i picked up as my last new purchase in 92. Whether your 8865 kicked around a few years on a shelf pre selling Lipko i'm not sure. But my older stuff if the pins weren't grey, they were the early friction type. And no, they never gave me any dramas. Then, now, or i suspect in the future.

Sry for insisting but this 1.st gen black pin is simply a faulty design because for a kid it is quite impossible to dismantle a model build with them.

The trans in 8865 doesn't have the synchros of 8880, gonna call that a faulty design too because "better" came out afterward? Mail me your test car on that basis so i can save you from its inferiority.

[Kumbbl]

I can mail you the old black pins...;-)

No and your comparisons compares apples with pears and it flawed: the old transmission is Not perfect but it does not prevent the most important feature of Lego: proper and hurt free ability of dismanteling...

Anyway: let us agree that we disagree...

[zux]

Guys, don't you remember that ageing LEGO tend to have a better friction than it is with newer parts? I didn't have any sets with old pins in my childhood, so from comments above I presume old pins were not a big issue those days. However now, when 20+ years pass, no wonder pins got very hard to dismantle.

I can mail you the old black pins...;-)

There was a guy here looking for such pins (can't remember who) to acquire, so you really can get rid of them ;)

[Lipko]

Now I remember that I used to twist the pins while pulling out when I was a kid.

And yes, the above poster is right that materials in contact, especially plastics and rubbers, can "stick" together with time. This effect is called "Monday Morning Effect" sometimes. This doesn't mean that the friction increase is permanent, as soon as you separate the surfaces, they will have normal friction again. I don't know how ABS behaves though.

[AOW]

I got the 8865 like two years ago (finally I had it) and it did came with the old pins - nightmare to remove them !

But the thing about old sets is - they were pretty hard to break! My one year old son back then sit on it , throw it , my wife throw it from the 1st floor - it survived all ! I was amazed how strong it was. Now I exchange it fro 8868.

But I have great memories of this set

It will me for ever one of the most iconic sets of all time - and the sound of that V4 engine !

Edited January 15, 2016 by AOW

[Rockbrick]

I used to make mine into a convertible - it looked quite nice like that

[Grosse Kind]

I used to make mine into a convertible - it looked quite nice like that

Interested to see please. Was it like a targa?