The Great Troll Debate

[Johnny 5]

and since when were Dwarves in large numbers anyway?

well what comes to mind is the book The Hobbit haven't read it in awhile but i think there were three dwarf armies in that one. They just didn't play as large a role in LOTR.

Also in the Forgotten Realms series Dwarves had the largest armies right behind orcs.

[steelharbingerofdeath]

not to go all nerdy on you but size wise it goes:

goblin-orc-troll

we have a troll the big one minifig size is below that so it is an orc.

also orcs are fearless warriors *knight* so they would attack the mine with only 2, goblins however are wimpy runts the orcs bully so they wouldn't attack.

[TheFrisian]

My one gripe about the dwarves is that I think they won't look good in an army. I might be wrong, but legions of the undead look better in swathes, as do knights, but Dwarves have beards that will look all the same, and since when were Dwarves in large numbers anyway?

But it seems that we don't get many Dwarves anyway, I just think that wave1 had factions more suited to army building ;-)

I Am FEAR Incarnate! *skull*

Even though in some fantasy books there is mention of large Dwarf armies, I agree with you that LEGO Dwarfs probably won't look as good in large numbers as other factions do. But is that really nescessary? Personally, I'd rather see the Dwarfs in a support role as part of the Crown army. Mining metals, creating weapons, perhaps as catapult or mortar teams (depending on wether or not your faction has reached the gunpowder era). There are lots of opportunities to put the Dwarfs to good use ;-)

[Batbrick]

Even though in some fantasy books there is mention of large Dwarf armies, I agree with you that LEGO Dwarfs probably won't look as good in large numbers as other factions do. But is that really nescessary? Personally, I'd rather see the Dwarfs in a support role as part of the Crown army. Mining metals, creating weapons, perhaps as catapult or mortar teams (depending on wether or not your faction has reached the gunpowder era). There are lots of opportunities to put the Dwarfs to good use ;-)

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Oh yea I agree with you, I'll still try to army build them, but for now I need to get my skellies up! ;-)

I REALLY hope a second wave of impulse sets come later in the year with a black skellie, white skellie and archer! *wub*

Dwarves would look cool as seige teams. Thanks TheFrisian! *y*

I Am FEAR Incarnate! *skull*

[Knight55]

Hmm... Dwarves in siege teams, I would have never thought of that... Actually I think the Dwarves are meant to be a support in the crown army, i mean, look at the similarities between their shields... X-D

[iamded]

Dwarves would look cool as seige teams.

Dwarves are siege teams. Remember that little set with the 2 trolls, and the dwarf with his catapult? I assume it'll be the same as Crossbow Attack, it does have the same amount of minifigs and a small siege weapon after all.

~Peace

[Batbrick]

Dwarves are siege teams. Remember that little set with the 2 trolls, and the dwarf with his catapult? I assume it'll be the same as Crossbow Attack, it does have the same amount of minifigs and a small siege weapon after all.

~Peace

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Yes, I still stalk you iamded! *skull* And also use your head in my MOCs! X-D

I am glad that this time the "Crossbow Attack" style set has two enemies and only one dwarf instead of the reverse. I really want to make a bigger army of baddies! >:-) It also cements that Dwarves are a smaller race.

That said, once I start working I must get more Crossbow Attack and Catapult Defense sets to build up the skellies! *skull*

I am also hoping your theory about the catapult being launched by that black chain is right, A: because I *wub* chains, especially black ones, and B: because then the catapult would no longer be a KK catapult!

I Am FEAR Incarnate! *skull*

[Piranha]

Update Time:

Sorry about being a little late with the comic but it should be finished sometime in November(I'm trying as hard as I can :-P )due to the amount of photo editing as well as Bl purchases to make it look just right :-D

Thanks for everyone's patience :-$

(Oh and vote for Troll Warrior)

Piranha

[Batbrick]

Update Time:

Sorry about being a little late with the comic but it should be finished sometime in November(I'm trying as hard as I can :-P )due to the amount of photo editing as well as Bl purchases to make it look just right :-D

Thanks for everyone's patience :-$

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OOh! 8-

[hollisbrick]

lets call them OTO (orcs, trolls, ogres) so then every one is right!

[iamded]

Well they're definitely not Gretchins. Gretchins are weak little things. I guess these guys could be Orks.

~Peace

[WesternOutlaw]

Orcs - from my D&D experiences, they just seem more Orc-like. I always pictured goblins much shorter and trolls much taller and thinner.

[Escape The Fate]

Personally I think it should be Orcs for the minifigs, honestly I dont think Lego would get sued for the word Orc, Orcs are used everywhere in fantasy look at Lotr and WOW.

[KimT]

Orc is the right word IMHO.

Having played Dungeons And Dragons in my youth, I was taught that orcs are slightly taller than goblins (which would require the minifig to have short legs like the dwarf). Ogre would be a much larger minifig and could possibly be a better word for the troll minifig. Now the battle lies in whether orcs are pale green or black/dark grey. - Dungeons and Dragons versus Middle Earth role play :-P

KimT

[Brickmaster]

Look like goblins to me

[Piranha]

Well I have been working on the comic(not too hard :-D )

Some new Updates"

-Suprise Date, already selected

-It will be in different parts(like 1 and 2)

-Part #1 will be a prize given to my contest winner(still in the making)

-Part #2 will be the person who posted against me first

-Part #3 will be next and so on.......

-Batbrick will go last for bugging me about this comic :-P

-I can't give everything away just yet.........

Can't wait to finish this thing!! *sweet*

Piranha

(Vote troll warrior!!)

[Johnny 5]

with the votes so far it looks like orc is the winner?

what does that mean?

[SlyOwl]

Hmm... looks like the Pirate King Cap'n has something to say here...

So,

Troll Warrior: Trolls are large beasties who live in caves or under bridges - the non-minifig troll is more suited to Troll Warrior, although it's more of a slave than warrior. Trolls have larger upper-bodies, sometimes so much so that they have to crawl. Verdict: *n*

Ogre: Rather like a troll, but greener, hairier and slimier; verdict: *n*

Goblin: Hmm... In LOTR this is used for the less civilised orcs who live in the mountains; orc is used for the un-dominated free-goblins of the North - Tolkein makes a distinct distinction between Goblinmen and orcs - "But these creatures of Isengard, these half-orcs and goblin-men that the foul craft of Saruman has bred, they will not quail at the sun" - The Two Towers; although orcs is the name for goblin (used in the Hobbit) used in LOTR, goblins are an inferior, wilder breed of orc in essence. However, goblin depicts a wider range of creatures, like the ones found in Runescape. Verdict: *n* because it is too broad.

Orc: Although often depicted as black, the minifigs capture their feel and mood well. Verdict: *y* , as when I first read LOTR I thought of them as green. It's a shame Lego don't do hunchbacked figures...

ORC! I would not use ork as it refers to mythical sea creature, hence orca, derived from orka. It also has too much to do with Warhammer.

[jeremy11]

according to JRR Tolkien, early in the first age, Melkor took Ents and corrupted them to create a race of trolls, which were taller than men and covered in scales. there were several varieties. all but the Olog-hai (Sauron bred this kind in the third age to be stronger, more intelligent, and able to live in sunlight) would turn into stone in the sunlight.

Goblins seem to be the same as Orcs in Middle Earth, perhaps they are regionally called goblins instead of orcs.

Melkor took some Elves and corrupted them to become Orcs, which were "squat, swarthy creatures"

since trolls are larger then men, and the mini-figure in question is the same height as a man, and "goblin" is virtually synonymous with "orc," it must be an orc!

sources:

Encyclopedia of Arda - the complete reference to Middle Earth!

[Two-Faced Batman Fan]

according to JRR Tolkien, early in the first age, Melkor took Ents and corrupted them to create a race of trolls, which were taller than men and covered in scales. there were several varieties. all but the Olog-hai (Sauron bred this kind in the third age to be stronger, more intelligent, and able to live in sunlight) would turn into stone in the sunlight.

Goblins seem to be the same as Orcs in Middle Earth, perhaps they are regionally called goblins instead of orcs.

Melkor took some Elves and corrupted them to become Orcs, which were "squat, swarthy creatures"

since trolls are larger then men, and the mini-figure in question is the same height as a man, and "goblin" is virtually synonymous with "orc," it must be an orc!

sources:

Encyclopedia of Arda - the complete reference to Middle Earth!

That's some good research you've done there jeremy. So are we decided that the minifigure ones will be called Orcs and the big ones Trolls? 8-|

[Archdoom]

I'd call the small ones orcs because they just aren't large, or threatening, enough to be trolls.

The big ones, Ogres or Trolls. Probably trolls, just because I hate shrek.

Goblins? No way, just don't look like goblins (don't they normally have large noses?)

[iamded]

Do they speak with a cockney accent? 'Cause then they're Orks. :-D

~Peace

[SlyOwl]

according to JRR Tolkien, early in the first age, Melkor took Ents and corrupted them to create a race of trolls, which were taller than men and covered in scales. there were several varieties. all but the Olog-hai (Sauron bred this kind in the third age to be stronger, more intelligent, and able to live in sunlight) would turn into stone in the sunlight.

I suppose this is necessary for all those who haven't read the LOTR Appendices or the Silmarillion...I guess the troll is an Olog, like the ones in the storming of Gondor, as it's fighting the dwarves during the day...

However, of the different species of Orc, the one most commonly called Goblin is the Misty Mountains/Moria orc - the puny little ones; the minifigs wield gurt big syooge ones, making me think they're Mordor orcs, not the Isengard orcs or Uruk-hai (they might be Uruks, however... 8-| )

Melkor

Please, call him Morgoth - it's what most people will recognise - hence, "A balrog of Morgoth"...also in They're Taking The Hobbits To Isengard Awesome. :-P ;-)

King

[DNL]

I call the small ones orcs, because i like The Lord Of The Rings, and because they look like orcs.

I call the big ones troll becouse trolls are big and ugly.

also in They're Taking The Hobbits To Isengard Awesome.

Did you know you can download a better quality version here?

[Wout]

This is so awfull, It can only be made by Dutch :-P :-D X-D

I wonder if anybody already made a jumpstyleversion of this.