Interim result better than expected !!

[Brick Miner]

Sure that line was pretty nice but far away from becoming a classic !! The vehicles are way too modern for that !! Its like MM undersea !! The only 2 great vehicles is the one in the sunken galleon and base which have the real underwater feel !! Thats why I can tell you that line won't become a classic !!

Lets see if 2008 will see new sets - who knows. I way prefered the feel of Divers.

hmmm... im not sure yoda.

i do know this, if we are looking at AR as a replacement or follow-up to the divers theme, then we are destine to be let down. because a substitute theme will never measure up to what the original was. for example, for awhile i was buying up cheaper adventurers sets, as a replacement to fulfill my want for (the rarer) MISB wild west sets. and while i like the adventurers, they could never measure up to what i was really pining for.

and what would be wrong with MM underwater, the concept sounds fine to me... with a good execution almost any idea can be good ;-) :-P

--------------------------------------------------

thanks for sharing the article, gylman... man, those are things we as fans wouldn't normally consider, looking in from the outside. this is enlightening information... and in a way proves that the traditional grays and browns were superior colors to their substitutes (the debate is over :-D ). by the sound of the article, they were first picks, but just weren't financial justifiable choices.

- BM

[xwingyoda]

i do know this, if we are looking at AR as a replacement or follow-up to the divers theme, then we are destine to be let down. because a substitute theme will never measure up to what the original was. for example, for awhile i was buying up cheaper adventurers sets, as a replacement to fulfill my want for (the rarer) MISB wild west sets. and while i like the adventurers, they could never measure up to what i was really pining for.

I was not refering as AR is Divers' replacement at all, I was just comparing 2 underwater themes that are very different in nature.

Don't get me wrong, I really like AR BUT I think the vehicles are too modern like all the pervious underwater modernity of aquasharks, aquanauts and all that ;-) The older looking subs are truly great in comparison and follow the Divers' design :-D

and what would be wrong with MM underwater, the concept sounds fine to me... with a good execution almost any idea can be good ;-) :-P

Exactly what is wrong with AR - its modernity. Sure it can be fun to have a little wave of a new theme but after a while you notice tht its way too modern to integrate other themes.

Talking about integration, there is annother "issue" that kinds of bores me is the color pattern of lines !! Its uniformity is really boring !! All AR vehicles yellow, all MM human white/oange, all martians black and lime (...) They should really work on breaking the monotony ;-)

*yoda*

[Batbrick]

Don't get me wrong, I really like AR BUT I think the vehicles are too modern like all the pervious underwater modernity of aquasharks, aquanauts and all that ;-) The older looking subs are truly great in comparison and follow the Divers' design :-D

Exactly what is wrong with AR - its modernity. Sure it can be fun to have a little wave of a new theme but after a while you notice tht its way too modern to integrate other themes.

Talking about integration, there is annother "issue" that kinds of bores me is the color pattern of lines !! Its uniformity is really boring !! All AR vehicles yellow, all MM human white/oange, all martians black and lime (...) They should really work on breaking the monotony ;-)

_________

Well, I disagree with your moderninity(spelling?) problem *yoda* , but I do agree that we are getting to much of that annoying goodguy and badguy colour schemes. The new castle line isn't bad because it is toned down and uses more colours, but I would like more diversity. I kind of wanted AR to have a different colour, I don't like how almost every underwater theme has yellow subs everywhere |-/

Batbrick Away! >:-)

[xwingyoda]

Well, I disagree with your moderninity(spelling?) problem *yoda* , but I do agree that we are getting to much of that annoying goodguy and badguy colour schemes. The new castle line isn't bad because it is toned down and uses more colours, but I would like more diversity. I kind of wanted AR to have a different colour, I don't like how almost every underwater theme has yellow subs everywhere |-/

Can you please use the "reply" button when you want to quote please !! Its really annoying to read it like that |-/

The divers' subs were not all the same color ;-) Some where white, some where yellow and everything blanded together really well ;-)

*yoda*

[highlandcattle]

http://www.strategy-business.com/media/file/sb48_07306.pdf

Not sure if it's worth it's own topic.

Some insight into what the Lego Company did when it turned around.

The reason for the colour changes is clear. Apparently their huge palette of colours which came from many different sources was a major supply cost problem.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I'm with Brickminer. Other than for the improved figs of course, CC 2007 has been a disappointment for me. I haven't bought a single one of those sets.

Hey Gylman that was a very interesting article. Thanks a lot!

[Brick Miner]

i had given a response in a wild west thread over in the history forum, that i would like to share in this thread...

in regard to the LEGO report concerning their "classic" lines.

i personally think LEGO should replace the word "classic" with "standard" or "staple" in this report. i think the word classic is giving us the wrong impression. for example, LEGO said the three lines they were happy with were city and technic (which they defined as classic) and SW (which they defined as a new classic). to me, it seems the definition of classic is becoming blurred, because it doesn't seem fitting to classify the WW and SW lines in a similar "classic-ness."

first i think LEGO should define what they mean by "classic" so we don't formulate misplaced ideas. for example, does classic refer to a traditional line that has always brought the company and its patrons success (this seems to be the implied meaning, since SW is now considered a new classic by the company.) however, if this is the definition, then WW definitely doesn't fit into the classic term. because in fact, the theme only lasted two years, it definitely wasn't a LEGO tradition.

this is the reason i say that when reading the word classic in the report, we should be mindful of the meaning... what i think LEGO is trying to say is that their "staple lines" are what they are happy with. "staple" just doesn't sound as impressive as "classic" in business reports.

original thread: http://eurobricks.hosting.ipsyn.com/eurofo...ndpost&p=196956

- BM

Edited September 23, 2007 by Brick Miner

[Batbrick]

Yes, it annoys me that they are just calling all the successful lines classic.

But I don't know, does StarWars deserve to be classic? I think it does in a way...

Batbrick Away! >:-)

[EyesOnly]

Saying that in a forum where 99% of the members are addicted to SW is bold to say the least. 8-

[xwingyoda]

Saying that in a forum where 99% of the members are addicted to SW is bold to say the least. 8-

[natelite]

classic doesn't mean old. classic has to have some degree of success to be classic. SW can be classic even if its relatively new.

definition of classic:

1 - belonging to the highest rank or class

2 - a work recognized as definitive in its field

3 - having lasting significance or worth; enduring

4 - typical example

5 - superior example of its kind

6 - traditional

looking at the SW sets, you will notice that many of them fit that definition. which is sad for my pocket since i cannot afford to e-bay buy them. :-P

[Paradosis]

I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether SW should be considered classic, but I thought I'd throw in the idea that in some cases a certain period of time must pass before something can be considered classic. Automobiles, for example, might have to be anywhere from 15-25 years old (or more for some people/groups) to be considered classic. If a similar thing were applied to the SW sets, perhaps the first year or two would be classic, but not (at this point) the theme as a whole.

[Brick Miner]

i just wanted to make it clear that i wasn't challenging SW as a classic in my post a few above this one... i was merely saying that, for example, WW (and many other old themes) cannot be considered a classic with the same criteria that SW is being judged on. thus, i do think the word classic is tricky, and i don't think LEGO should use it in the context that it is, as it is misleading.

again, i think "staple theme" is more fitting for what they are trying to describe.

- BM

[Chuck]

In this day and age, how many themes managed to stay very active for nearly 9 years ?? Pirates & WWW were active less than that mind you ;-) So YES, SW became a classic theme whether you like it or not ;-)

*yoda*

So that means bionicle is classic, too.

-Chuck

[Brick Miner]

So that means bionicle is classic, too.

that's actually a great example... again, i think "classic" should be replaced by "staple." and that describes bionicle perfectly... thanks chuck !!!

- BM

[xwingyoda]

So that means bionicle is classic, too.

-Chuck

Indeed, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

*yoda*

[gylman]

Interesting that NXT is not mentioned at all.... did it come too late in the 1st half? I forgot exactly when it was released... April?

Except for the first few weeks of release when the hype was high, I rarely recall seeing it in the "hot 25" sellers, and I haven't seen it move on the TRU shelves.

Here is an interesting (although not necessarily correct) of some Mindstorms/Spybotics/NXT issues.

http://www.techuser.net/lego2.html

[EyesOnly]

Staple is clearly a better term than classic.

Well i doubt we'll see the end of SW anytime soon. Though i haven't seen anything other than the movies i do know that there are books so there's a lot to explore and while TLG have the licence i think they will do just that. If only i had lots more cash and a place to store those large sets. *wub* *sweet*