Ragnarök Now 3: Day Three

[Hinckley]

I have to think more about the timing of all of this...

[mostlytechnic]

I'm not sure we can see any past login times, assuming people have logged in sometime today.

Second, you're probably right on finding the scum. Well, we could narrow it down to just those who voted after the confession - not everyone who posted after the confession was placing a vote on him. Some already had voted.

[Hinckley]

I've done some figuring and I think this is the best timing.

Yes, scum and traitor if out there be in contact with me....

http://www.eurobrick...on=send&do=form mencot <----

So, when jluck posted this yesterday, I contacted him pretending to be the traitor to see what I might be able to find out. The results were hilarious.

The funniest thing about all of this is that all of this rambling about a traitor stems from an off-hand comment I made on Day One to Brand. From what I can conclude, the Scum have been given no indication that there is a traitor...at all. Yet, they think there is one because I randomly mentioned it on Day One? In the mean time, now they are trying so hard to find a traitor because they're dropping like flies and are desperate for a new member and I do not think they even have a conversion.

So, here's what happens when you contact the dying Scum. I recommend everyone try it, it's hilarious fun. So, jluck sent me the address and a password for a writeboard where I was able to converse with the Scum, anonymously. I wasn't anonymous, they knew who I was, of course. So it all went something like this:

Me: You spelled my name wrong.

Scum 1: L33t drivel and craziness! Wacko wacko bleeeeeerg.

Princess abigail: Don't mind her. She's crazy. She's a girl, she's female, she's not a guy, suspect the women, not the men. You're just trying to draw us out, no?

Commentary: I'm exaggerating, of course. I have to paraphrase because I checked and just giving everyone the anonymous writeboard address and password would violate the rules. My point is that they're trying very hard to make me, and anyone else I might've given the address and password to, believe that one of them is a woman. WIFOM

Me: Sorry about jluck. It's been really annoying trying to play Scum by myself. My role PM isn't very specific. It just says if I am able to "team up" with you guys, I will only be put in contact with one of you and won't be able to talk to the whole team. What have you guys been told? How do we do this?

Lying DOrk: Were you in contact with jluck?

Commentary: This question must've come from someone who is brain-dead. Jluck started the writeboard. He was the one who asked for the contact. Who the hell else would I have talked to? Did they think I knew other Scum at that point? We're not dealing with rocket scientists here.

Lying DOrk: (continued) We were told we had a fifth member and that if we found them TPRU would call him home for us. It'd be great if you joined us. Every one of us has been fingered. ( Eeew) We can't convert just anyone, duh. If we could there would be no reason for us to try to contact you. Did your role PM say traitor or Scum?

Princess abigail: We don't know much. Three people have claimed to us. What will you bring to our team if we choose you?

Commentary: Princess brain surgeon thinks this is a job interview.

Me: It says ally but it is the traitor role. So, there are only four of you?

Princess abigail: Give us all your info. Mwahahahaha. Then we'll know you're the one. With you, even if one of us is killed we'll still have two left.

Me: What? So, there's only three now? How many did you start with? Do you think you can convert more than one? I doubt that is possible.

Princess abigail: We don't know how many there is.

Me: Get it together. One of you is being coy while the other one spills everything. Are you even conferring with each other?

Princess abigail: Maybe they are be solely one person here.

Me: I doubt that.

Scum Three: Our PMs don't tell us how to recall you. I'll talk to TPRU.

Lying DOrk: Your lies made us waste our kill!

Commentary: Huh?

Lying DOrk: We're gonna get you for that!!!

Conclusion: The Scum don't seem to have any knowledge of a traitor. There's somewhere between 1 & 4 of them. It's almost likely none of them are female, but we should ignore that WIFOM. As they were posting, it became clear that none of them had the same idea about how the traitor would work. They say, at different points, that they have no recruit ability and then they don't even have any way to recall a traitor. The Princess seems to be the only one trying to stay coy, the others seem to say way too much. After learning this is what was said and what their confused perspective must be, isn't what Mist and Munud are suggesting about the traitor seem pretty close to what the Scum must think after the interaction I described?

[Chromeknight]

Caution.

Do not read while drinking. May cause drink out nose.

Ow.

Can someone (other than Hink) explain the

"You caused us to waste our kill" comment?

[Hinckley]

Can someone (other than Hink) explain the

"You caused us to waste our kill" comment?

Paraphrasing may alter the intent, though I have no idea what it is. What more closely represents it is this: The lies you told us caused our murder to be stopped. For that you will purchase goods from us.

[Chromeknight]

Nup. Doesn't make any more sense that way either.

[Tamamono]

Caution.

Do not read while drinking. May cause drink out nose.

Ow.

Can someone (other than Hink) explain the

"You caused us to waste our kill" comment?

:laugh:

[Adam]

One thing I'll toss out there... I took a look at the end of day 2 since Mist again asked for a traitor to contact the scum. Based on that, I'm assuming that IF there is some sort of traitor/recruit among us, they did not contact Jarl yesterday. So that would eliminate:

I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. Why would people who posted between Jarl's confession and the end of the day be cleared?

Conclusion: The Scum don't seem to have any knowledge of a traitor. There's somewhere between 1 & 4 of them. It's almost likely none of them are female, but we should ignore that WIFOM. As they were posting, it became clear that none of them had the same idea about how the traitor would work. They say, at different points, that they have no recruit ability and then they don't even have any way to recall a traitor. The Princess seems to be the only one trying to stay coy, the others seem to say way too much. After learning this is what was said and what their confused perspective must be, isn't what Mist and Munud are suggesting about the traitor seem pretty close to what the Scum must think after the interaction I described?

This is very interesting to read - for me, at least, I'm having a hard time sorting through the WIFOM, which I guess is the point. The scum could be using female pronouns to act like there's a female scum where there isn't one, or they could be trying to trick us into thinking just that. However, I am inclined to agree with your comment about the scum's knowledge (or lack thereof) of the traitor role. It's dangerous to speculate on how the host designed the game, but I can't see TPRU putting in more than one traitor. Mafiascum seems to match up with my understanding of the traitor role - the scum should know whether or not a traitor exists, and exactly how many there are.

[Hinckley]

This is very interesting to read - for me, at least, I'm having a hard time sorting through the WIFOM, which I guess is the point. The scum could be using female pronouns to act like there's a female scum where there isn't one, or they could be trying to trick us into thinking just that. However, I am inclined to agree with your comment about the scum's knowledge (or lack thereof) of the traitor role. It's dangerous to speculate on how the host designed the game, but I can't see TPRU putting in more than one traitor. Mafiascum seems to match up with my understanding of the traitor role - the scum should know whether or not a traitor exists, and exactly how many there are.

I honestly doubt there is a traitor at all. I said "traitor?" to Brand and it has exploded into this. I really think that's the closest traitor is going to officially make it into this game.

What Munud has said twice today is that maybe nobody contacted the Jarl in time before he was lynched. What an interesting perspective for one of the Loyal to have. Even the second-most-posts-of-the-day Loyal! But not only has he made this point that a traitor might not have had time to contact Jarl, Mist has now given a full day and a half for a potential traitor to contact them. Jarl only gave them four hours to find a madeup role, now they're going to use an entire day and a half and make up for it. That's why Mist gave up too.

Oh, Dear God. What if the WIFOM is that they do have a "recall" and they can't use it on the same night as the kill and that's what they mean by me wasting their kill? Is it possible they didn't kill last night because they tried to "recall" me and it didn't work? But then, why start all over? They said they had two other candidates. I know who those are too, by the way. I'm trying to think of reasons not to reveal them.

But one says they can't convert and the other says they can't recall. I really don't think there is a traitor. I think if there was, there'd be more of a clear path for them that they wouldn't have to ask the potential traitor through an anonymous writeboard how it works.

Besides, they never said I "wasted" their kill. They said my lies caused it to be stopped.

[Ranger of the Forest]

Yes, scum and traitor if out there be in contact with me....

http://www.eurobrick...on=send&do=form mencot <----

Umm...well this simplifies things

Vote: Mist (Mencot)

Apologies for the lateness of this post, family has been keeping me busy the past few days

While Cranebeinn isn’t 100% cleared, Jarl turning up scum makes it more likely that he’s town. I feel bad for going after him so much now, since it seems like I’m wrong. Sorry if this is the case, Cranebeinn

Munud, however, is acting extremely scummy at the moment, and if it wasn’t for Mist I’d say that we should lynch him. You may not think that what you’re saying is contradictory, Munud, but it seems that way to everyone else. You also don’t seem to realize that quantity doesn’t always equal quality. Sure, you’ve posted a lot, but has any of it been useful? From what I read, the only thing your posts did was make you look more suspicious. Which helps the town if you’re scum, of course

[Chromeknight]

While Cranebeinn isn’t 100% cleared, Jarl turning up scum makes it more likely that he’s town. I feel bad for going after him so much now, since it seems like I’m wrong. Sorry if this is the case, Cranebeinn

No worries. That's how this game works.

[Dragonfire]

I'm not sure we can see any past login times, assuming people have logged in sometime today.

Second, you're probably right on finding the scum. Well, we could narrow it down to just those who voted after the confession - not everyone who posted after the confession was placing a vote on him. Some already had voted.

That doesn't help to find scum. Scum could just as easily have been bussing Jarl before his confession...

Lying DOrk: (continued) We were told we had a fifth member and that if we found them TPRU would call him home for us. It'd be great if you joined us. Every one of us has been fingered. ( Eeew) We can't convert just anyone, duh. If we could there would be no reason for us to try to contact you. Did your role PM say traitor or Scum?

What do you mean by "fingered"?

Princess abigail: We don't know much. Three people have claimed to us. What will you bring to our team if we choose you?

Three people claimed traitor? Might there actually be a traitor then?

Conclusion: The Scum don't seem to have any knowledge of a traitor. There's somewhere between 1 & 4 of them. It's almost likely none of them are female, but we should ignore that WIFOM. As they were posting, it became clear that none of them had the same idea about how the traitor would work. They say, at different points, that they have no recruit ability and then they don't even have any way to recall a traitor. The Princess seems to be the only one trying to stay coy, the others seem to say way too much. After learning this is what was said and what their confused perspective must be, isn't what Mist and Munud are suggesting about the traitor seem pretty close to what the Scum must think after the interaction I described?

So, basically the Scum are a complete mess Should be easy for us then...

Besides, they never said I "wasted" their kill. They said my lies caused it to be stopped.

Did you tell them anything that could have affected their kill?

[CMP]

The scum just have no idea what they're doing, do they?

I was thinking Mist's errant madness made her look like a bit of an SK, but apparently that's not the case.

[mostlytechnic]

I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make. Why would people who posted between Jarl's confession and the end of the day be cleared?

Lemme see if I can lay the logic out....

1. Jarl asked for a traitor to contact them, but there was only 4 hours left in the day.

2. Mist ALSO asked for a traitor to contact them

3. Therefore, Jarl's request was unsuccessful.

4. Remember, I posted this BEFORE pudding's post about talking to them, so I was assuming no one used Jarl's privatae message link

5. (assumption here) If there's a traitor, they'd have used Jarl's link

6. Anyone who posted after Jarl's request was obviously around to read the request

7. Therefore, anyone who posted after Jarl's request is not the traitor

Now, it's not airtight. We don't even know if there IS any sort of traitor or recruit or whatever. But IF there is, my money would be on them being in the second list of names.

Oh, Dear God. What if the WIFOM is that they do have a "recall" and they can't use it on the same night as the kill and that's what they mean by me wasting their kill? Is it possible they didn't kill last night because they tried to "recall" me and it didn't work? But then, why start all over? They said they had two other candidates. I know who those are too, by the way. I'm trying to think of reasons not to reveal them.

This is 100% possible. In a previous life where I was on the scum team and we had a recruit ability, there was 1 person we could recruit if we could find them, but the recruit ability was the same person as the kill ability, so we had to pick each night which to use. That meant we didn't use the recruit much since the kill was more valuable. Without knowing WHO to recruit it was too low of a chance of success.

That doesn't help to find scum. Scum could just as easily have been bussing Jarl before his confession...

Sure, there could have been some scum voting Jarl before he confessed. Less likely though, they'd already lost 1 scum and crane seemed a certain lynch for quite a while, so the only way I see that happening was if they'd been one of the last votes before the confession because they'd talked about it on the scumboard and come up with this plan. If you wanna consider that, I just checked the records.

4-5 hours before Jarl's confession, there was a bunch of votes placed fairly quickly. It went Toki, myself, Dar, Mist, Ragnavald. Rag's vote was the hammer vote, making the lynch official. Then there was 4 hours of no votes, then Petr voting Mist because he hadn't read everything yet, then the confession, and then Petr switched, and Lodmund, Danr, Kaupmaud, Jafri, Lauga, Tarben joined the bandwagon. Does that mean they're all scum? No, but a decent chance 1 or 2 are. Oh, and look, they're all so quiet and hiding for 3 days now. Hm.

[Chromeknight]

Sure, there could have been some scum voting Jarl before he confessed. Less likely though, they'd already lost 1 scum and crane seemed a certain lynch for quite a while, so the only way I see that happening was if they'd been one of the last votes before the confession because they'd talked about it on the scumboard and come up with this plan. If you wanna consider that, I just checked the records.

4-5 hours before Jarl's confession, there was a bunch of votes placed fairly quickly. It went Toki, myself, Dar, Mist, Ragnavald. Rag's vote was the hammer vote, making the lynch official. Then there was 4 hours of no votes, then Petr voting Mist because he hadn't read everything yet, then the confession, and then Petr switched, and Lodmund, Danr, Kaupmaud, Jafri, Lauga, Tarben joined the bandwagon.

Given Mist is in that group of 4-5 hrs before confession, it's very likely the scum planned to bus him. Odds are at least one or two other scum is in that bunch, expecting Jarls confession to have happened sooner. Thanks for pulling the info out, it confirms suspicions that were raised over the last couple of days.

[Piratedave84]

I've done some figuring and I think this is the best timing. .

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Conclusion: The Scum don't seem to have any knowledge of a traitor. There's somewhere between 1 & 4 of them. It's almost likely none of them are female, but we should ignore that WIFOM. As they were posting, it became clear that none of them had the same idea about how the traitor would work. They say, at different points, that they have no recruit ability and then they don't even have any way to recall a traitor. The Princess seems to be the only one trying to stay coy, the others seem to say way too much. After learning this is what was said and what their confused perspective must be, isn't what Mist and Munud are suggesting about the traitor seem pretty close to what the Scum must think after the interaction I described?

THIS.IS.THE.BEST!

Part of me wants this to be over so we can go read the board!!!

One the things that struck me was this:

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Oh, Dear God. What if the WIFOM is that they do have a "recall" and they can't use it on the same night as the kill and that's what they mean by me wasting their kill? Is it possible they didn't kill last night because they tried to "recall" me and it didn't work? But then, why start all over? They said they had two other candidates. I know who those are too, by the way. I'm trying to think of reasons not to reveal them.

SNIP

Am I the only one that wants to know who these 2 are and the reasons for their trying to be recruited/converted/joining scum?

[Dragonfire]

(I've edited this quote to remove the irrelevant bits)

2. Mist ALSO asked for a traitor to contact them

3. Therefore, Jarl's request was unsuccessful.

4-5 hours before Jarl's confession, there was a bunch of votes placed fairly quickly. It went Toki, myself, Dar, Mist, Ragnavald. Rag's vote was the hammer vote, making the lynch official. Then there was 4 hours of no votes, then Petr voting Mist because he hadn't read everything yet, then the confession, and then Petr switched, and Lodmund, Danr, Kaupmaud, Jafri, Lauga, Tarben joined the bandwagon. Does that mean they're all scum? No, but a decent chance 1 or 2 are. Oh, and look, they're all so quiet and hiding for 3 days now. Hm.

1) Mist asking for a traitor could be a ploy to make town think that the scum have not found the traitor yet...

2) Who is "quiet and hiding for three days now" ??

[mostlytechnic]

(I've edited this quote to remove the irrelevant bits)

1) Mist asking for a traitor could be a ploy to make town think that the scum have not found the traitor yet...

2) Who is "quiet and hiding for three days now" ??

1 - yes, it could. Nothing in my logic was absolute. But I think it's likely that I'm right that they didn't find him (if he exists).

2 - the list of people I gave who voted after Jarl's confession. "then Petr switched, and Lodmund, Danr, Kaupmaud, Jafri, Lauga, Tarben joined the bandwagon." Most of that list is very quiet this whole game...

[Duvors]

You know, I've just been in contact with Mist, and I'm starting to doubt that she's scum. A suspicious thing to say? Yes. But that doesn't change the facts.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot).

[CMP]

You know, I've just been in contact with Mist, and I'm starting to doubt that she's scum. A suspicious thing to say? Yes. But that doesn't change the facts.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot).

Care to elaborate, or?...

[KotZ]

You know, I've just been in contact with Mist, and I'm starting to doubt that she's scum. A suspicious thing to say? Yes. But that doesn't change the facts.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot).

Care to elaborate, or?...

I agree. There's still time in the day left to turn the vote, so some evidence and reasons would be nice to have. Or can Mist speak up as well?

[Duvors]

I agree. There's still time in the day left to turn the vote, so some evidence and reasons would be nice to have. Or can Mist speak up as well?

Sorry, but for now my reasons are private.

[Hinckley]

You know, I've just been in contact with Mist, and I'm starting to doubt that she's scum. A suspicious thing to say? Yes. But that doesn't change the facts.

Unvote: Mist (Mencot).

How incredibly strange to hear you, of all people, say this, knowing what I know about you. I think it would be best for you to elaborate.

Sorry, but for now my reasons are private.

Scum.

[Duvors]

How incredibly strange to hear you, of all people, say this, knowing what I know about you. I think it would be best for you to elaborate.

And what do you know exactly?

Scum.

Nope.

[Hinckley]

And what do you know exactly?

For now that is private.

I'm sure you can guess.