Chromeknight Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I meant you could've asked me who the blocker was. And then pass that name into the tracker and verify them. No fishing, just trying to connect town.
Adam Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Well at least one person thinks I'm town. They've told me that the blocker blocked Tariq. So, as I understand it from this post, you're not in direct contact with the blocker? You're in contact with a middleman or middlewoman, who gave you the name and action result of the blocker? What changed? My life is on the line. Either I have access to the blocker, someone is is the blocker but isn't telling anyone or as a complicated answer I'm this stupid pudding role and instead of just keeping shtum in the day thread about it I blow it up by providing information. Information that, if I was telling the truth, is useful for the town to know. So far no one has asked me the obvious question either in PM or here. And no one has suggested testing the claim by putting the blocker to the test. The tracker is known (at least P head says so), so why would he jump to the lynch unless he has something to hide? Being that you're only three votes in, I wouldn't say you're being prepped for the noose yet. It's a little early to start flailing. This whole discussion of the blocker reads like a scum trying to forestall his lynch by claiming (or at least, claiming to know) a power role. At the very least, it would be an opportunity for you to fish for information and pass that on to your scum buddies before the noose is tightened. By the way, this hyper-defensiveness isn't new for Cranebeinn. Here he is yesterday, posting after Brand had already been effectively drawn and quartered. Shall I give people a lesson in etymology? 'I believe' can be read at least three different ways. At the lowest level, it's a taking notice of. Or 'I believe' you think it is true you are town. It could be assent to the statement 'I believe' you are town (but I'm not going to act on that belief). It could be wholehearted trust. 'I believe' you are town, so I'm going to tell you my role and share all my information with you. Clearly I didn't ' believe' Jarl's town assertion in that third sense in messaging him. I shared nothing with him. My belief in him sits somewhere between the first and second senses. I know he thinks he's town. Given more evidence I too will think that. How might I gather that evidence? Surely messaging him is a reasonable step. As for apologising, either my accusation is so slight and a stretch that stepping back from it is reasonable, or it's unreasonable to apologise because the accusation is a sensible move. All in all it seems you've decided I'm scum and are stretching for evidence. Jarl, would it be terribly inconvenient for you to respond to a few of my specific questions? I'm curious about your comments on Tarben and bandwagoning. Your job may be to interpret the given data, but it's impossible to interpret the current data in a way that makes Tarben confirmed town. It's an oft-stated tenet that only the scum can say for sure that someone's town. Also, it's more than a little strange to say that you're not defending Tarben, then to say that you don't want to "sit idly by and wait for someone to start a bandwagon." So which is it? Are you not defending Tarben, or do you not want people to bandwagon him?
Duvors Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Where did all this about the Blocker come from? I seems to have come out of nowhere and I feel confused.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I'm with Agnar on the Jarl front: The night kill was incredibly bold, I was the vig last game and tried a night 1 kill and basically screwed it up. To the information at hand: I don't think many people are surprised with the brand being loyal revelation, that's pretty typical of a day 1 lynch. The killing of Patrekr seems to be a pretty typical scum kill too, he was relatively quiet during the first day. I've gotta go back to day 1 to view this exchange. My day was dominated with keeping up with the Brand argument and arguing with Cranebeinn. Certainly any interaction with a confirmed scum should at least be looked at. We've got quite a gift to start out day 2. Yeah, lambi's vote confuses me. Why not just hop on the wagon or vote for one of the promising side candidates, such as Mist or Cranebeinn. His vote really made him stand out a bit. However, tarben is correct in noting that scum often pick on the quiet ones in order to appear active and "townie". Maybe he thought it would just be more suspicious to change that late in the day. With a confirmed scum already, day 1 posts could really be useful. Im heading back... Something about this originally pinged me, I asked him about it and I don't believe he's responded. Seeming to know which kill was which and the motivation is Scummy, even if he didn't account for the Serial Killer, which I think he's been around long enough to know of that as a possibility. But mostly, he's pulled the patented Scum move of "I'm going to look back at what was said!"... Silence... Gotta disagree here. You've played enough to know that most lynches, especially day 1, turn up town. Of course there were a lot of votes on him, he was lynched so by definition lots of folks voted for him... Are you feeling the need to defend your vote? Day One lynches may statistically flip Town but you still have to vote who you think the best case is. You don't vote expecting that person to be Town. Craney-Binn has given me the identity of the blocker. I am, of course, not giving that person any more information about the tracker or the vig. Right now I'm the crux of these three Actions (assuming the blocker is really the blocker). I honestly don't trust any of them enough to reveal anybody to anyone else. It's too early and we could still have some counterclaims. Patrekr could've been blocker or vig and if the Scum do have a day rolecop like my role in the last game, they could've taken out the Town role and are free to pose as Town now. Where did all this about the Blocker come from? I seems to have come out of nowhere and I feel confused. Maybe you should try reading things. The killing of Patrekr seems to be a pretty typical scum kill too, he was relatively quiet during the first day. This is going to drive me nuts. No. Scum don't kill quiet players. At least not that quiet. You're speaking to the motivation of the Scum killer. It seems so much like you know why Patrekr was killed while, to me, it's baffling. He didn't ruffle any feathers, he barely posted, he voted for Brand. I'm worried he revealed his role to someone who was Scum and got himself killed or the Scum hit Day One rolecop (or shapeshifter) gold by targeting a Town PR. To metagame the host, I know he is not likely to repeat a role but he does like to add one mischevious role and try something new and be a little unique. The day rolecop Action was very helpful to us last time. Speculating on if he'd use it again or not is futile at this point but it's worth it to keep in mind that the Scum might've known his role and Jarl seems to know the Scum killed Patrekr. And he off-handedly names a motivation for the kill as well. Toki, Jarl, Cranebeinn. Which is the best lynch. Not "most possible". Best...
CMP Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Something about this originally pinged me, I asked him about it and I don't believe he's responded. Seeming to know which kill was which and the motivation is Scummy, even if he didn't account for the Serial Killer, which I think he's been around long enough to know of that as a possibility. But mostly, he's pulled the patented Scum move of "I'm going to look back at what was said!"... Silence... That reminds me. Alright, I too have to go over yesterday's events with a much closer lens. I've been rather busy, so hopefully I can get some good insight by reviewing the previous day. As it stands, I still suspect Cranebrienne. I'll be holding my breath. Hehehe, don't do that. It would be mighty embarrassing to die of asphyxiation in the next few minutes, while it may take me a full "third of a day" to fully review yesterday's events. Asphyxiation is a cowardly way to die! Much better to die in pitched combat! Preferably against Loki-worshipers or Fierce Dragons! Two days later, aaaand....still waiting, Danr.
Piratedave84 Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I have a few seconds to post while I have wi-fi; I asked Pudding Head to proxy vote (if 1-voting is mandatory and 2-proxy is allowed) on my behalf should I not be back in town by day's end.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I have a few seconds to post while I have wi-fi; I asked Pudding Head to proxy vote (if 1-voting is mandatory and 2-proxy is allowed) on my behalf should I not be back in town by day's end. If you have some seconds left over, please tell us what you think the best case is right now.
Mencot Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Who - Lauga and I? You haven't been reading anything we've said this entire day it is just looking at yesterday. Maybe you two are like an old couple, one day you are best friends, the other you nag and fight.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 it is just looking at yesterday. Maybe you two are like an old couple, one day you are best friends, the other you nag and fight. How did you get off the hook?
Duvors Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Maybe you should try reading things. I did, I've read the entire topic so far and I have literally no idea where this conversation about the town blocker comes from.
KotZ Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I'm a little concerned about how you worded it originally like the conversation had just started at the end of yesterday. Sorry. He messaged us around midday, after he started being called scummy. He never asked for roles, just our alignment. Now he could have contacted Patrekr without me and carried on like that. With that, I cast my vote. Vote: Cranebeinn (ChromeKnight)
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I did, I've read the entire topic so far and I have literally no idea where this conversation about the town blocker comes from. We'll have to agree to disagree: Well at least one person thinks I'm town. They've told me that the blocker blocked Tariq. I'm not totally sure if I trust them and I know many of you don't trust me. So, go on counterclaim and we'll know who to lunch. As for the supposed fishing expedition. I was trying to make sense of Turdben's I knew it comment about Lambi. The three options seemed to be He is scum too. He was just fluffing his suspicions with the benefit of hindsight OR Lambi did think he was some convertible role and contacted him, he then passed the info onto a killer of some flavour. If it was that third case, posting that in thread risked exposing a killer, something I was pinged for yesterday. So I took it private. Turdy denied option three. That leaves the options Scum or Dumb. I'll put my hand up and say my history has made me wary of killers, either pro or anti town. Sorry. He messaged us around midday, after he started being called scummy. He never asked for roles, just our alignment. Now he could have contacted Patrekr without me and carried on like that. With that, I cast my vote. Vote: Cranebeinn (ChromeKnight) Wait, why?
Mencot Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 How did you get off the hook? How do you? In every game, someone claims to you! This game you don't feel like scum but on day 2 one can't really tell.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 How do you? In every game, someone claims to you! This game you don't feel like scum but on day 2 one can't really tell. Good question. However, you were a major focus of yesterday and you seem to have slipped under the radar today.
Mencot Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I don't care if I would be in focus or not. Better would to be because I don't have anything to hide. Something I feel like can't be a townie move is what Crann is doing. Nobody can be that naive, someone called me naive yesterday but this really is. If he is town and thinks he can get away with fishing like that! I don't feel it is townie thing to do so I will: Vote: Cranebeinn (ChromeKnight) His name should be Cranebeinn the fisher.
Dragonfire Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 This is going to drive me nuts. No. Scum don't kill quiet players. At least not that quiet. You're speaking to the motivation of the Scum killer. It seems so much like you know why Patrekr was killed while, to me, it's baffling. He didn't ruffle any feathers, he barely posted, he voted for Brand. I'm worried he revealed his role to someone who was Scum and got himself killed or the Scum hit Day One rolecop (or shapeshifter) gold by targeting a Town PR. I'm a bit confused as to this. You suspect Jarl because he seems to know the motivation for the kill. However, assuming Jarl is scum, why would he kill someone for being quiet? It's just not something a scum would do - more of a SK thing, killing quiet people. By no means does this clear Jarl of being scum, but I just don't see why quietness would possibly motivate a Scum kill - more likely, he revealed his role to the wrong people, like you said. Toki, Jarl, Cranebeinn. Which is the best lynch. Not "most possible". Best... You've missed someone out: it is just looking at yesterday. Maybe you two are like an old couple, one day you are best friends, the other you nag and fight. Again, you need to read the thread I haven't been fighting with Lauga at all, nor do I remember interacting at all with her on Day One... Where are you coming from, and what do you hope to accomplish with this post? Honestly, I feel like voting for Mist at this point. Unvote: Cranebeinn (ChromeKnight) Any particular reason?
TrumpetKing Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 What's "funny" is I didn't call out your vote. I noted that you didn't vote. Everything you said was fluff. Not voting just adds to the fact that your post didn't contribute anything. I wasn't calling out the fact that you didn't vote, I was calling out that altogether your post was fluff. And you waited until now to bring it up?? If it was such a case for you to think I'm Scum... Why didn't you vote for me. Instead you voted for Brand who you didn't find suspicious and actually said you thought he was just naive. You are acting like panicked Scum. And I'm not the only one concerned with your behavior. At least two other people mentioned you as Scummy at a point where you've only made five posts. Tarden says that we can't both be Town. I don't know why he thinks that, but if that is the case, then you are definitely Scum. I think the point is, did this person get a message that their Action was successful? Some hosts would give a successful result regardless if the person has an Action or not. I would, otherwise it also works as a weak tracker. If you read yesterday, I did address your mentioning of my vote. Quickly, but I did. It was not enough to make me solidly feel committed that you were scum, though. That's why I waited until today, as well as didn't vote for you yesterday. I bring it up now because it seems like all you've done is question, question, question, without actually discussing anything, until now, when you hear that someone actually finds you a bit suspicious. And the need to mention what Tarden says is a completely irrelevant topic, because I should be saying the same thing, which is that you are definitely scum. Even if I WAS scum, I should be saying that. And forgive me, but I do not think my activity is a great place to look to this time around. I do believe that I said I would be less active on this journey, and if that's one of yor reasons for me being scum, you might as well suspect the Fire-Starter too.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Any particular reason? Something came up and I'm not ready to reveal what I know. I can't think of how to reveal it. If I tell everyone how I found certain things out I'm almost certain to reveal too much. I'm thinking... Cranebeinn isn't cleared, by any stretch of the imagination, but I do think it's best to keep him around for now. If you read yesterday, I did address your mentioning of my vote. Quickly, but I did. It was not enough to make me solidly feel committed that you were scum, though. Then why now? What else has happened that has you campaigning for my lynch behind the scenes? That's why I waited until today, as well as didn't vote for you yesterday. I bring it up now because it seems like all you've done is question, question, question, without actually discussing anything, until now, when you hear that someone actually finds you a bit suspicious. I see. Bringing information about the tracker, vig and communicating now with the blocker isn't a contribution? What don't you like about questions? I haven't brought out the weird discussion with Brand and Tarden in private? I haven't gotten people talking? You have an odd idea of contribution. You are clearly acting like panicked Scum. You're focusing on a person who called you out for being suspicious and if I'm not contributing anything, you have a major deficit in the contribution column. You haven't asked any questions. You haven't made any cases against anybody. You haven't done anything but freak out that I questioned your fluffy post, not your vote, your incredibly fluffy post. Vote: Toki (Trumpetking) because a knee-jerk reaction to one accusation just can't be any Scummier. And the need to mention what Tarden says is a completely irrelevant topic, because I should be saying the same thing, which is that you are definitely scum. Even if I WAS scum, I should be saying that. So, you want to lay it down on the line, that one of us is Scum? Do you want to force the entire game to choose between the two of us. You've lost your damn mind. Your reasoning for thinking I'm Scum doesn't make even the tiniest bit of sense. If I was Scum why would I try "so hard" (notice this is all based on one post, about 8 words if I remember correctly) to set you up for a lynch? The diabolical mastermind of Toki, I'm Scum and I absolutely must get rid of him by making one post pointing out how he made one fluffy post. Do you hear yourself? Panicked. Scum. Jarl, some of us can see when people are reading the thread anonymously.
jluck Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 (Snip) Jarl, would it be terribly inconvenient for you to respond to a few of my specific questions? I'm curious about your comments on Tarben and bandwagoning. Im sorry I haven't given this game the attention it deserves, this week has been hectic. I will try my best to explain my thinking, but I tried earlier and I am under the impression it won't clear much for you. When the day started I saw a scum died and assumed vig and assumed the other kill must be the scum kill. Pudding is right, I've played a lot in the past year but I am being completely straight forward when I say I totally forgot about the SK. I know it's unacceptable and people have been lynched for much less, it's just what happened. I have no excuse. After I made that initial observation I reread the day 1 thread and noted tarbens vote, I got a town read from this post and thought others should at least see my line of thought. I could have remained quiet and safe on the topic, but that does not advance the game. There isn't much more I can say to defend myself, the truth is what it is. With the candidates we have today (myself included) I still feel cranebeinn is the best choice. He's been incredibly scummy since the beginning and it keeps getting worse. If he comes up as town, turn on me. If he's scum, you can reevaluate your opinion of me. It's two birds with one stone. I've given you the truth, I'm sorry I'm not actively responding to your allegations, I'll try to check back in tonight when I get home. Jarl, some of us can see when people are reading the thread anonymously. Congrats
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Congrats Since you posted, I highly doubt you were trying to hide...
jluck Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Since you posted, I highly doubt you were trying to hide... Ya, it's when I'm on my mobile. When on my iPad it's regular.
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Ya, it's when I'm on my mobile. When on my iPad it's regular. Never noticed before. If you read yesterday, I did addre...blah blah crazyblah blah...tivity is a great place to look to this time around. I do believe that I said I would be less active on this journey, and if that's one of yor reasons for me being scum, you might as well suspect the Fire-Starter too. This really should've accompanied a vote for me. That makes it even more suspicious that you are so convinced I'm Scum yet...wait for it...no vote.
Tamamono Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 If you read yesterday, I did address your mentioning of my vote. Quickly, but I did. It was not enough to make me solidly feel committed that you were scum, though. That's why I waited until today, as well as didn't vote for you yesterday. I bring it up now because it seems like all you've done is question, question, question, without actually discussing anything, until now, when you hear that someone actually finds you a bit suspicious. You voiced this to me and I guess my issue is that while I see that, that's really what most people do, and what Pudding Head does a lot. I just don't really get why questioning is a scumtell. I think he might be scum, but it isn't for that reason. And forgive me, but I do not think my activity is a great place to look to this time around. I do believe that I said I would be less active on this journey, and if that's one of yor reasons for me being scum, you might as well suspect the Fire-Starter too. Yeah, I agree that this isn't a scumtell of Toki's. I don't know. I'm starting to second guess my Toki read, but I don't feel like lynching Cranebeinn either today... So much back and forth in my reads. Vote: Munud (mostlytechnic) This is the lynch I feel most comfortable with. He's the only one who my read on hasn't faltered.
Dragonfire Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 With the candidates we have today (myself included) I still feel cranebeinn is the best choice. He's been incredibly scummy since the beginning and it keeps getting worse. If he comes up as town, turn on me. Bit risky, hedging your bets like that. I'll be sure to turn on you should Cranebeinn flip town If he's scum, you can reevaluate your opinion of me. OK, I'll do that too and completely ignore the fact that you could be bussing him for towncred
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