Lady K Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 So is Jarl lame or scum... or both for trying to burn me bringing that shit up in an irrelevant place. One can only imagine, maybe not the best lead to go on. But a player that tries to get info on the vig, is it then in PM or in thread. That isn´t a townie move and this was not the first time Crane the redder had done something similar in this game, I asked yesterday about the vig but switched the meaning that he meant to ask about the serialkiller. Maybe he meant that yesterday but what he did today will be harder to explain. A bit harsh of a response don't you think? I don't see any possible reason for him doing that, as scum or as town. What are you trying to insinuate? Good point! Our red friend here seems to be obsessed with the vigilante... I wasn't insinuating anything. I was merely stating that it doesn't feel that innocent to me, call it a gut feeling. Here is a random thought for you, I do see why he would bring it up intentionally, to make it seem that Mist is town because Tarben thinks so. And so we don't focus on Mist, because hey, who pays attention to her anyway. And as scum or a traitor, Mist could easily hide behind strange posts and behavior because that is how it has always been. However with the way Mist responded, maybe I am on to something that she (Mist) doesn't want pointed out. Mist was at the top of my list yesterday and still is for today.
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 He asked both of us if we were town. He mentioned how he's in a predicament about being read as scummy and how he just normally seems scummy, of course claiming he's loyal. Both of who? Shouldn't he know if he's Town or not.
KotZ Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Both of who? Shouldn't he know if he's Town or not. He asked both me and Patreker if we were town.
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 So, he started a group PM with him, you and the dead Patrekr?? ...
KotZ Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 So, he started a group PM with him, you and the dead Patrekr?? ... He did it yesterday when Patrekr was still alive, before the day ended.
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 He did it yesterday when Patrekr was still alive, before the day ended. Why did he choose the two of you and what else was discussed? What did Patrekr contribute?
Pandora Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 I would have preferred the scum get no kill and blocked in the night and for Brand to have turned up scum, but we know that is not the case. And yes, I am comparing it to the last game where they were being killed left and right. Stupid, I'm sure, but it's the most recent game and in my mind. Lauga does make an interesting point above me regarding Tarben and Jarl. The end of that post reads a bit like 'Oh, look over there! A distraction!' Say what you guys want, my job is simple. Look at the evidence and try to get reads on every player. One day down, 3 results received, i want to start advancing the game. I'm not defending tarben, just giving my views from day one. If we can't attempt to make assumptions based on players actions then why are we even here?? You can look at the same stuff I did and form your own opinion, that's your job. My job is to make the most informed decision based on my interpretation of the given data. I could sit idly by and wait for someone to start a bandwagon, but I'd prefer advance this game beyond a game of follow the leader. If we give you the benefit of the doubt - you're saying you have a read on Tarben and you think he's town, right? So why the hell are you telling the rest of us? If you truly think he's town, announcing it to the world kinda makes him a target for scum. Assuming, of course, that neither of you are scum. To start off the conversation, what else? Apparently I succeeded. You started off a conversation. About how you don't have an opinion on anything. So I'm mobile and will get caught up later, but Cranebeinn is messaging me accusing me of being the vigilante because someone i accused is dead. Or, as he puts it, I might be in contact with the vigilante. Fishing is not cool. Unless it's for actual fish. And now I see Tarben isn't the first to be contacted. Why is Cranebeinn so keen to find the vig?
KotZ Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Why did he choose the two of you and what else was discussed? What did Patrekr contribute? We were discussing an old story. Patrekr spoke about how Crane always seemed scummy and talked about an older game where Crane was scum and won in a fairytale land.
Mencot Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 A bit harsh of a response don't you think? No, why? I wasn't insinuating anything. I was merely stating that it doesn't feel that innocent to me, call it a gut feeling. Here is a random thought for you, I do see why he would bring it up intentionally, to make it seem that Mist is town because Tarben thinks so. And so we don't focus on Mist, because hey, who pays attention to her anyway. And as scum or a traitor, Mist could easily hide behind strange posts and behavior because that is how it has always been. However with the way Mist responded, maybe I am on to something that she (Mist) doesn't want pointed out. Mist was at the top of my list yesterday and still is for today. So what are you actually trying to say, did anyone understand your statement. I didn't, you don't have anything on me than some missunderstandings! So K who likes to read in low light, do you have any good to include?
Dragonfire Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 What I wonder, though, is what Lambi gained at all from trying to catch Tarr's attention the way she did. The focus of the town was never going to shift, and to try and shift the focus away from someone who wasn't even on her side makes me wonder if Tarr could be disloyal to us as well, and that was her way of reminding him to show up eventually, not realizing it would make her look as scummy as it did. Don't you think that if Lambi wanted to "prod" a scum-buddy and get him to talk, she would do it in the scum writeboard or whatever messaging system they use? Why draw attention to him in thread, unless it was meant as a bus of sorts. I wasn't insinuating anything. I was merely stating that it doesn't feel that innocent to me, call it a gut feeling. Here is a random thought for you, I do see why he would bring it up intentionally, to make it seem that Mist is town because Tarben thinks so. And so we don't focus on Mist, because hey, who pays attention to her anyway. And as scum or a traitor, Mist could easily hide behind strange posts and behavior because that is how it has always been. However with the way Mist responded, maybe I am on to something that she (Mist) doesn't want pointed out. Mist was at the top of my list yesterday and still is for today. I still don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that Jarl is trying to befuddle us into thinking Mist is town? Why would we think she's town because Tarben says so, when we don't even know Tarben's alignment? We were discussing an old story. Patrekr spoke about how Crane always seemed scummy and talked about an older game where Crane was scum and won in a fairytale land. Seems legit. Can you tell me when Crane started this group chat - was it initially to discuss Heroica or was it initially to discuss Mafia? So K who likes to read in low light, do you have any good to include? For that matter, do you? In fact, have you said anything useful this entire day?
KotZ Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Seems legit. Can you tell me when Crane started this group chat - was it initially to discuss Heroica or was it initially to discuss Mafia? Originally we were discussing Heroica, long before this game started. Then Crane sent us the message about him reading scummy within the Heroica message we had between all of us.
Mencot Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 For that matter, do you? In fact, have you said anything useful this entire day? No not much right now but I didn't pretende I did. But something I noticed you two keep agreing and sharing some same opinions!
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Originally we were discussing Heroica, long before this game started. Then Crane sent us the message about him reading scummy within the Heroica message we had between all of us. That was a crucial piece of information I think you should've divulged a little earlier but hey, we have it now...
Chromeknight Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Well at least one person thinks I'm town. They've told me that the blocker blocked Tariq. I'm not totally sure if I trust them and I know many of you don't trust me. So, go on counterclaim and we'll know who to lunch. As for the supposed fishing expedition. I was trying to make sense of Turdben's I knew it comment about Lambi. The three options seemed to be He is scum too. He was just fluffing his suspicions with the benefit of hindsight OR Lambi did think he was some convertible role and contacted him, he then passed the info onto a killer of some flavour. If it was that third case, posting that in thread risked exposing a killer, something I was pinged for yesterday. So I took it private. Turdy denied option three. That leaves the options Scum or Dumb. I'll put my hand up and say my history has made me wary of killers, either pro or anti town.
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Well at least one person thinks I'm town. They've told me that the blocker blocked Tariq. Who the hell would trust you at this point?? That's rhetorical...
JackJonespaw Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 I'm not totally sure if I trust them and I know many of you don't trust me. So, go on counterclaim and we'll know who to lunch. If you're scum, this would be a really good way to seek out roles...hmmmmmmmm *slight ping*
CMP Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 As for the supposed fishing expedition. I was trying to make sense of Turdben's I knew it comment about Lambi. You jumped to the conclusion that he was the vig and then accused him of such in the scant hour and a half before he clarified what he meant? What would that have accomplished for the town?
Hinckley Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 Hey Toki! Why do you think I'm Scum and why do you feel the need to make the case behind the scenes and not here in the thread? Sneaking around in the shadows is very Scummy. If I'm Scum shouldn't everyone be warned about me? I hope you're wrong because the tracker who contacted me found someone targeting Lambi and that person claims to be our vig. So I certainly hope I'm not Scum. Ooops, sorry. More red than I thought. Well at least one person thinks I'm town. They've told me that the blocker blocked Tariq. I'm not totally sure if I trust them and I know many of you don't trust me. So, go on counterclaim and we'll know who to lunch. The more I think about this the more I think it is pig shit. Especially since Tarden is lightly defending you in private or at least steering the lynch away from you. And even moreso because I think you are highly unlikely to buy anybody lunch.
Tamamono Posted July 10, 2015 Posted July 10, 2015 The more I think about this the more I think it is pig shit. Especially since Tarden is lightly defending you in private or at least steering the lynch away from you. And even moreso because I think you are highly unlikely to buy anybody lunch. I said to you I felt uneasy about him. Can you even read?
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Wasn't aware that I needed to vote, Pudding-Head. If it wasn't clear from what I said, which you clearly took to have little value, I don't feel particularly confident in the lynch of either Mist or Brand, who are clearly the two main focal points of today. That's why I didn't vote. I figured that was fairly obvious, and the idea that there was some expectation for me to vote despite having clear reservations interests me. That being said, I do think the Brand scenario is our best lead, and his lynch does seem to be the most realistic, so I am willing to place a vote there. Vote: Brand (Brickelodeon) Paraphrase: Fluff, Brand is weird but might be naive. Mist is interesting, metagaming is dangerous. No vote. Ping. I have no idea how to make sense of this. The Brand/Tarden debacle is clearly interesting, but is incredibly mind-boggling in the defenses coming from Brand. The one statement I especially don't understand is the one saying he does not read Tarden to be scum, but does find him suspicious. Not only is that a difficult claim to follow, it makes me wonder why he brought up Tarden as a possible lynch if he only finds him "suspicious", after taking a fairly obvious joke as a legitimate claim. How do you believe a scumclaim to be true, but then insist that you don't scum read them? It just does not make sense to me. Nonetheless, right now I only get a sense of naïvety from Brand, but am willing to look into him going further. The Mist scenario is interesting too. I don't necessarily know how reasonable it is to make a lynch given her past, but metagaming has proven many times to be dangerous. Toki's response to my calling him out for fluff is to vote with no reason. He misinterprets my post as a push for him to vote and immediately votes despite just saying he thought Brand was just naive. I didn't have to apply much pressure to get out of him what appears to be panic. He's one of these "the most possible lynch" guys. If you're going to vote because the lynch seems "possible" that seems like Scum reasoning. I can't see Town thinking "Well, which lynch is possible?" Town votes for who they think is the Scummiest. Scum want to lynch any Townie or non–Scum and are more likely to be looking at which lynches are possible. "Possible" or not, I think I'll be voting for Toki today. Though Cranebeinn seems to be trying pretty hard to get in that noose. I said to you I felt uneasy about him. Can you even read? Uneasy seems a bit of an understatement considering how Scummy he's acting. And he's third on your list. It kind of surprises me. The part where you say he's going to try to get us to lynch Tarr seemed like a counterpoint to him being Scum so I do apologize for misreading it and somewhat flipping out. But, you're still Scummy.
Tamamono Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 Toki's response to my calling him out for fluff is to vote with no reason. He misinterprets my post as a push for him to vote and immediately votes despite just saying he thought Brand was just naive. I didn't have to apply much pressure to get out of him what appears to be panic. He's one of these "the most possible lynch" guys. If you're going to vote because the lynch seems "possible" that seems like Scum reasoning. I can't see Town thinking "Well, which lynch is possible?" Town votes for who they think is the Scummiest. Scum want to lynch any Townie or non–Scum and are more likely to be looking at which lynches are possible. "Possible" or not, I think I'll be voting for Toki today. Though Cranebeinn seems to be trying pretty hard to get in that noose. I think Toki is scum, but the possible lynch thing you've got wrong, imo. Part of winning as town is making sure that you have the political will, so to speak, to get scum lynched. If that means lynching your second scumread over your first, so be it, as long as you think that person is also very scummy. Uneasy seems a bit of an understatement considering how Scummy he's acting. And he's third on your list. It kind of surprises me. The part where you say he's going to try to get us to lynch Tarr seemed like a counterpoint to him being Scum so I do apologize for misreading it and somewhat flipping out. But, you're still Scummy. You're flipping out a lot. Why is that?
Hinckley Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 I think Toki is scum, but the possible lynch thing you've got wrong, imo. Part of winning as town is making sure that you have the political will, so to speak, to get scum lynched. If that means lynching your second scumread over your first, so be it, as long as you think that person is also very scummy. What's the best case? vs. Is it possible? Semantics, but it stands out regardless. First time I remember hearing it referred to that way. You're flipping out a lot. Why is that? That's different how?
Chromeknight Posted July 11, 2015 Posted July 11, 2015 If you're scum, this would be a really good way to seek out roles...hmmmmmmmm *slight ping* It could be if I said contact me. Or maybe if I said post in thread expecting some megablock to out themselves. But no I just said counterclaim, I don't care who to. But I'll bet you a barrel of mead there isn't a counterclaim that comes out today.
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