Death battle

[bacem]

does someone who carries a flamethrower automatically have resistance to flames? I don't think the heroes have ever been shown to be resistant to their element (later heroes like evo and new didn't even have one)

If Furno had been resistant to fire, he wouldn't have needed the 2.0 upgrade just to beat the fire villains IMO.

ah...makes sense...

[Phoenix_Flare]

*sighs* Another type of these topics... I guess I'll through in my two cents.

To be honest, I think it may be a tie. Sure the Toa have all of their powers and they stand for justice, but so does Alpha Team. Their passion for saving and protecting others actually might make them great allies. Even if they WERE to fight each other they would probably be evenly matched.

Also BIONICLE and HERO Factory are kinda like bread & butter. BIONICLE is the butter - It's good, it's got flavor, and makes things taste awesome! But also like butter, if you put too much you get fat, unhealthy, sluggish, and it can make the bread soggy. Very soggy.

Now HERO Factory is the bread - sure it's boring, plain, and sometimes just doesn't taste right on it's own. BUT if you add just the right amount of flavor and put it into a toaster-over, you wind up with a HF Logo on that once boring piece of bread. And that's just awesome....

Yeah, now I want a Toaster-oven that CAN place the HF logo on it!

Edited January 24, 2015 by Phoenix_Flare

[Bigger Fish]

I honestly think they'd be evenly matched in terms of power if the Nuva in their adaptive armor fought the Alpha team with all their gadgets and weapons.

7 toa vs 7 heroes.

The 3 Karda Nui flying vehicles and Kaita vs the battle machines, bikes, and Jet Rocka.

Both teams have similar elemental line ups (except for Surge and Gali, but I addressed that problem earlier)

The heroes have quite a lot of ranged weapons and gadgets, the Toa Nuva have the Midak, the Nyrah, elemental powers, melee weapons, and Kanohi powers.

I think that the battle line up that would make the most sense would be a 1v1 of Tahu Nuva vs Stormer. (Fire vs. ice, both are the leaders of their teams, no distinct elemental advantage, Tahu can't simply absorb Stormer's element, and so on and so forth.)

Edited January 24, 2015 by Bigger Fish

[Kalhiki]

Depends on which Toa we're talking. G1 Toa with their adaptive armor would surely win considering they'd be able to adapt to anything the Heroes throw at 'em. G2 Toa would probably lose. They only have their elements to work with while the Heroes could easily be upgraded to withstand their attacks.

[Voxovan]

Honestly? I think that one Toa could easily bring down the entire Alpha Team. How? Nova Blast (that didn't work on Icarax though, but hey, Heroes don't have 42 Kraata powers)

Edited January 26, 2015 by Voxovan

[Lord-Vorahk]

Honestly? I think that one Toa could easily bring down the entire Alpha Team. How? Nova Blast (that didn't work on Icarax though, but hey, Heroes don't have 42 Kraata powers)

I think that was mainly to demonstrate how ridiculously overpowered Icarax is. Remember, Teridax couldn't beat him in a straight fight, and had to resort to stalling him out. But still, Jaller, a relatively new Toa of Fire, was able to charge up a blast that could have glassed Metru Nui on his first attempt. Gali completely destroyed an entire landmass with her's. Icarax tanekd it, but that's more his own insane toughness than anything else.

And herein lies the problem: Yes, the HF heroes police a galaxy, but nothing in that galaxy is quite as dangerous as the BoM, or the Dark Hunters. The HF villains seemed to be pretty pathetic when compared to the threats in the MU, and in at least three waves, they were just animals.

Then there's also a conflict of ideology: HF heroes do not kill. Nor do Toa. However, the way the rules are enforced are different. THe Toa have a code against killing. However, there is a get-out clause. If in a dire situation, where not killing the foe would result in the Toa's own death, or worse, the death of a Matoran, the Toa would be authorised to use lethal force. It's an absolute-last-resort... but it's there. This, by extension, means that Toa are capable of killing if they need to. Their weapons are capable of inflicting fatal injuries, as are their powers. On the other hand, the HF heroes do not have such a rule. Rather, they just aren't built to do it. They're built, and their weapons are built, to incapacitate and capture. THe exception here is IFB, but they are countered on that field by the Mask of Speed, and once the Toa get into close-quarters, it's over. Death Battle suspends all no-kill codes in order to produce the battle to death desired, which would leave us with a team of kill-happy Toa, armed with the tools and powers to achieve that, and a team of kill happy heroes, armed with the tools and powers to stun a local robotic criminal.

Mask powers add a whole new dimension to things. Super Speed, Shielding, X-Ray Vision, super Strength, etc would be useful.And the Kanohi Nuva share powers.

There's also one other flaw for the heroes: It's been said that the heroes would win because the Factory could provide upgrades to counter the Toa's abilities. Except it couldn't. Two Death Battle rules:

1) No outside help: The upgrades would be designed, built, and installed by Factory staff, not the Heroes, and being provided with such upgrades would be classed as help.

2) No prep time: The combatants in Death Battle go in completely blind. The HF heroes would have no idea what the Toa could do.

Being blind as to what the Toa are, and with no upgrades other than what they've got on them at the time? The heroes would be screwed.

[DraikNova]

I'm pretty sure the population of the MU is lower than forty billion, though (see my earlier post). Even if every toa used a Nova blast, HF would win by sheer numbers.

[Lord-Vorahk]

OP specifically lists only the Alpha Team and the Nuva.

That said, if you're going for every Toa, that's a lot of Kaita/Toa Nui... Seriously, the one thing that stopped me from considering Akamai and Wairuha as a viable tactic was the possibility of being swarmed, but if we're using every Toa ever...

Also, you can't award HF a victory just because you think that there should be a Death Star equivalent. Considering that the largest villain organisation was about nine disgruntled robots, they don't have anywhere near the resources to do that. Also, let's focus on the MU robot's destruction: THe robot's skull is cracked open by a piece of moon. Even though it survived crashing into an entire moon at top speed from space before. THis is why the ending to the Mata Nui saga makes the most sense. Furthermore, not all crime is handled by the Hero Factory. Chief Drax, anyone? Makuhero has its own police force, and every other populated planet probably has the same. The Heroes are called in to deal with supervillains and invasions, not petty crime, so crime rate research does not reflect the effectiveness of the heroes. Furthermore, a single Toa could wipe out a street-level gang with a wave of his/her hand, depending on the element. They also didn't have enough heroes to deal with every villain after Breakout, or the ones that escaped to form the Villain Factory would've been recaptured.

Also, every Toa would then include Tuyet. Nui Stone. Jovan. All the heroes magnetized into a giant, unmoving ball. Helryx. Centuries-old lady of war. Iruni. Tele-frag. Jaller's there, rendering any and all sneak-attacks moot. Krakua's milling around to sic Bohrok on the Heroes. Also, one Ignika. Sure, he was inexperienced, but he was a Toa (Capable of creating, controlling, and absorbing life energy, and would've been able to use a Life Nova Blast), and after wearing the mask for a few seconds, Matoro was a full-blown reality warper. If the Ignika by itself has that kind of power, which it should, because Matoro didn't on his own, then he's basically an instant-win button.

And, as said, a single Nova Blast can wipe a landmass off the map. You'd only need one to obliterate whatever island the fight was taking place on, and kill everyone but the user, leading to a phyrric victory for the Toa, but a victory nonetheless.

Or hey, Onua and Nuparu could just make the ground collapse under their foes' feet and swallow them. Lewa could hit them with a tornado before they could even get close. Zaria and Chiara would have an absolute field day, turning their armour and weapons against them and frying their internals with electrical overdoses. The heroes may have superior tech, but the Toa have complete and total mastery of the battlefield and the weather. And hey, then there's TOa of Plasma. All those plasma weapons the heroes use? Useless. Hey, how well would they deal with Gali, Hahli, Gaaki, Nokama, Naho, et all throwing a tsunami at them?

Oh, and the most obvious detail? Hero Cores. The vital, life-giving power source of every single Hero... is worn on the outside of the chestplate.Once someone with an Akaku spots their obviously exposed heart-equivalent... Kakamas and Kualsis to victory? Yes.

[CabooseBM]

I like how you used the rules to invalidate the Heroes' advantages and then proceeded to allow those advantages to the Toa.

[Lord-Vorahk]

I used the rules for a Nuva vs. Alpha team fight. When I noticed that Draik was using the entirety of everything the factory had done ever, I had to expand the scope for the second post to include the crazier characters.

If you're referring to Krakua summoning Bohrok, the Bohrok are non-sentient entities, and not characters in their own right by the standards of the show. THat would be equivalent to the Eye of Thundera's role in the He-Man vs. Lion-O fight, or the various enemies absorbed in Kirby vs. Buu, or Goku getting help from the sun. THe Bohrok summoned in the Battle of Metru Nui were not actively seeking out attacks on the Rahkshi, the Rahkshi were just in the way.

Edited January 28, 2015 by Lord-Vorahk

[Timeline15]

basically all the stuff Vorahk said. HF's (supposed) number advantage, if it even exists, is meaningless, as I doubt the majority of heroes could even successfully harm a toa. And if even a single toa of iron were present, the toa would pretty much win there and then.

[Bigger Fish]

Another good idea for a 1v1 death battle would be Takanuva vs Rocka.

[Lord-Vorahk]

Another good idea for a 1v1 death battle would be Takanuva vs Rocka.

If you like curbstomps, that is. Power Lance.

[The Brick King]

Not following the Toa code, just have Takanuva blast them all with a highly concentrated surge of light, thereby burning all their armor off.

Honestly, gadgets aside, Toa would win. Having seen the HF episodes, the heroes always win by coincidence. If there was no coincidence to save them, they would have been blown away by Von Nebula, Fire Lord, Black Phantom, the Brains and the Beasts easily. My money is on the Toa.