Adam Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I thought for sure Pierce was scum, especially considering the range of emotions he went through yesterday. As for Gerald, that's a shock as well. I'm thinking Gerald was a Vig kill, since he was a prime suspect and the scum wouldn't want to get rid of him because they hoped we would spend the entire day going for him. You're by no means a freshman like Addie (adventurer1) or Lloyd (LeogSpy), and you seem to have been paying attention this game. As the Speaker (Speedy) said, it's either scum or dumb when it comes to thinking Gerald (Goliath) was scum instead of the town blocker. Right now you're at the top of my list. "But you know speedy, your comment isn't part of this game, so get back to the game" You are starting to look like the Best option. What are you even talking about? Are you even trying to play this game? To answer a few questions that I was unable to get to yesterday, Sinclair (Scaevola) hinted that the scum had some kind of special advantage that we were unaware of. Whether this special advantage was the ability to recruit, something else, or just a bluff, I don't know. I can't even say for certain that the scum are able to recruit. Sinclair (Scaevola) told me that someone would contact me during the night, offering me the chance to switch sides. I was never contacted. This struck me as unusual right off the bat, because usually the target of a conversion has no choice in the matter. I am seriously beginning to doubt that the scum can convert. Sinclair (Scaevola) probably just contacted me knowing that I would tell everyone that he did, hoping to throw a monkey-wrench into the town's plans and expectations.
Bob Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Yea but two nights in a row, two loyal down and not another images taken. I see both as Octan hits, especially Maurice. And you can actually continue your "clearing" cause all it sounds to me now is bla blablaa blablaa. The last scum in my opinion, now that Pierce turned loyal, is Mr Bobby. Can't be anyone else. How did you reach this conclusion? There's eight of us left. I'm not scum and I'd say Siegfried is confirmed town. Bjorn also reads as town to me, and you do as well. No scum would act this dumb. That leaves Lloyd, Tiny, and Addie. I left out Archie because although I've been getting a town read from him, he may well have actually been converted and is now bringing it out in public to make himself appear to be an almost confirmed townie. I don't know if we should focus so much on Molly. Almost everything she's said today is utter nonsense with no evidence to support her claims, but at the same time, I think she's loyal because of her outbursts of crazy and dumb. Unless someone has anything better to bring forward, I will be voting for Addie or Tiny.
Lady K Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I thought for sure Pierce was scum, especially considering the range of emotions he went through yesterday. As for Gerald, that's a shock as well. I'm thinking Gerald was a Vig kill, since he was a prime suspect and the scum wouldn't want to get rid of him because they hoped we would spend the entire day going for him. Top of my list is Addie, although my scumdar is completely broken at this point. I'm getting somewhat of a town read on Bjorn and Archie. I don't know what I'm getting from Molly, but Lloyd and Tiny are also a bit fishy to me, just out of pure intuition. I'd like to hear what some other people have to say. Here you state that you are getting a town read on Bjorn and Archie, don't know about Molly, and Lloyd and Tiny are fishy out of pure intuition. You list me at the top of your list with no reasons given. Mr. Speaker is left out completely. How did you reach this conclusion? There's eight of us left. I'm not scum and I'd say Siegfried is confirmed town. Bjorn also reads as town to me, and you do as well. No scum would act this dumb. That leaves Lloyd, Tiny, and Addie. I left out Archie because although I've been getting a town read from him, he may well have actually been converted and is now bringing it out in public to make himself appear to be an almost confirmed townie. I don't know if we should focus so much on Molly. Almost everything she's said today is utter nonsense with no evidence to support her claims, but at the same time, I think she's loyal because of her outbursts of crazy and dumb. Unless someone has anything better to bring forward, I will be voting for Addie or Tiny. And here, Mr. Speaker is confirmed town, Bjorn reads town, Molly now reads town because of her dumb behavior, Archie is questionable, Lloyd is mentioned by name only with no feeling one way or the other and unless someone has anything better you will be voting for Tiny or me. Is this meant to be confusing? You can't make up your mind? And still you suspect me without providing reasons. At least your giving me reasons to keep you at the top of my list.
Mencot Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 How did you reach this conclusion? There's eight of us left. I'm not scum and I'd say Siegfried is confirmed town. Bjorn also reads as town to me, and you do as well. No scum would act this dumb. That leaves Lloyd, Tiny, and Addie. I left out Archie because although I've been getting a town read from him, he may well have actually been converted and is now bringing it out in public to make himself appear to be an almost confirmed townie. I don't know if we should focus so much on Molly. Almost everything she's said today is utter nonsense with no evidence to support her claims, but at the same time, I think she's loyal because of her outbursts of crazy and dumb. Unless someone has anything better to bring forward, I will be voting for Addie or Tiny. That's really good Mr Bobby. You can say your goodbye in the end of today.
Bob Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Here you state that you are getting a town read on Bjorn and Archie, don't know about Molly, and Lloyd and Tiny are fishy out of pure intuition. You list me at the top of your list with no reasons given. Mr. Speaker is left out completely. And here, Mr. Speaker is confirmed town, Bjorn reads town, Molly now reads town because of her dumb behavior, Archie is questionable, Lloyd is mentioned by name only with no feeling one way or the other and unless someone has anything better you will be voting for Tiny or me. Is this meant to be confusing? You can't make up your mind? And still you suspect me without providing reasons. At least your giving me reasons to keep you at the top of my list. I don't see my opinions changing for anybody except for Archie and Molly. Molly I changed from extremely confusing to town because of her nonsense. Archie I changed from a town read to a scum read because of the conversion nonsense, and how it might have been a ploy to make himself look innocent. I've been consistently getting scum read intuitions from Lloyd and Tiny, and I've always been accusing you. In both spots I said I thought Bjorn was town. I've given a multitude of reasons through the entire game. I've been suspecting you since Day One, and the reasons are still exactly the same. Your attempts to cast doubt on my statements and bring up false accusations is noted, however. That's really good Mr Bobby. You can say your goodbye in the end of today. Still no reasons as to why you're voting for me? Anything? Do you want to be lynched? Are you some sort of a jester character? The scum won't touch you because you're such a great distraction and us townies need you because you're at least preventing a scum win.
Adam Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 If I were scum, why would I make up a story about a conversion? Nobody thought I was scum before I brought it up, why would I need a ploy? Sinclair (Scaevola) contacted me offering a conversion. I don't know if he was truthful or bluffing or what.
def Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I was under the impression that this discussion Speedy had with someone was not in PM, and was instead in thread or from a previous game with a converter role. I understand now that that wasn't the best thing to say, and I'm sorry about my mistake. That was one example, but there have been lots. Lots of sleepy players. Some of it's my fault for being so loud, but everyone needs to pull their weight. That being said, Molly is my choice today. She has done nothing but drag the town back with her obsession over me. She wasted the first few days on it, then I helped spearhead two lynches on scum. Her conclusion? I'm scum. Enough is enough. Every other person here, we have some reason to think they are Loyal, but the only thing she has is her erratic behaviour that seems unlikely for scum. That's not enough.
Bob Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 If I were scum, why would I make up a story about a conversion? Nobody thought I was scum before I brought it up, why would I need a ploy? Sinclair (Scaevola) contacted me offering a conversion. I don't know if he was truthful or bluffing or what. It's a good ploy to make yourself look to be town. "Oh, I'm town, but I was approached by the scum to be converted." It instantly makes you appear town because no scum should try such a story. Why would he contact just you? It's not like you were crucial to his lynch, you just hopped onto the bandwagon mid-vote. Even if you agreed to be converted to the Octan, what difference would that have made to help him out? He was done for already and he knew it. If he was the designated converter then he wouldn't have been able to convert you anyway since he would have been lynched that day. Also, since when does a converter need to ask the convertee if he'd like to join the scum team? Why didn't you share that he contacted you instantly instead of trying to string him along? You didn't honestly think that he would be dumb enough to give away his entire scum team to you, right? Why did you wait until almost the end of Day Five to say something about it? Why not in the beginning of Day Five? You can't use the excuse that you weren't around then, you'd been posting the entire day. Furthermore, why didn't you do a direct quote from the PM thread that you two had? Anybody can fake a conversation by just using the quote tags. Did you delete it? What other messages did you guys exchange? Did he say anything else to you that's worthwhile repeating to the rest of us? I see two scenarios here: Scenario One: You've been scum this entire game. There's been two successful scum lynches in a row and in order to make yourself look like town you try out the riskiest gambit by saying that Sinclair attempted to convert you. You concoct a fake message with Sinclair or you fake the message yourself and use it to try and encourage dialogue amongst the town. Everyone believes you and nobody really gives it a second glance. Scenario Two: You were converted on Night Four by the scum team anyway even with Sinclair's impeachment and arrest and after lengthy discussion on the scum writeboard, you decide to post the message that Sinclair sent you to make yourself look innocent and not converted. After all, the last thing a newly converted scum would want to do is attract attention to themselves by posting that they were converted. Especially if they've been flying under the radar this entire game. Does nobody else find this at least remotely fishy? Am I seriously the only one? I'll be voting for you today, Archie.
Tamamono Posted January 15, 2015 Author Posted January 15, 2015 Voting is now open. With 8, it takes 5 to impeach.
Lady K Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 The fact is that our speaker is not what he seems to be. Proof, facts, any info you can give us? A lot more, a lot more... And this is helpful to town how? "But you know speedy, your comment isn't part of this game, so get back to the game" You are starting to look like the Best option. Reasons why? That's really good Mr Bobby. You can say your goodbye in the end of today. Again, reasons why? Anything helpful you can give us? Vote: Molly Callaghan (Mencot) Rep. Benedict is still on my list. But with unhelpful posts like this Rep. Callaghan is at the top.
Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Vote: Molly (Mencot) Thinning the herd. Vote: Molly Callaghan (Mencot) Rep. Benedict is still on my list. But with unhelpful posts like this Rep. Callaghan is at the top. No. Now is not the time to "thin the herd" or vote off unhelpful people. There's a chance that Molly might be scum, yes, but we can't afford to lose any more townies if she's not. Molly might be spectacularly unhelpful, but I don't get a scum read off of her. She sent me this: You know you gonna be gone by the end of today, right. Everybody knows your the last One and even if you ain't you are the best choice! It's more complete and utter nonsense, but would a scum really confront me privately telling me that I'm the last scum and that I'm going to be voted off? Vote: Archie Matthews / Adam I've listed a multitude of reasons above. I believe Archie to be a better choice than Molly.
def Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 It's more complete and utter nonsense, but would a scum really confront me privately telling me that I'm the last scum and that I'm going to be voted off? Yeah, she doesn't know how to play. I've listed a multitude of reasons above. I believe Archie to be a better choice than Molly. Archie was cleared by investigation, and I believe his claim that Sinclair contacted him. Molly has nothing but wacky PMs to justify her place here. You making a heavy defense of Molly is noted.
Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Yeah, she doesn't know how to play. Archie was cleared by investigation, and I believe his claim that Sinclair contacted him. Molly has nothing but wacky PMs to justify her place here. You making a heavy defense of Molly is noted. When exactly was Archie investigated?
Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 How come this... For today? I'd love to just come out and say the uncleared names, since it's less than half of us, but it would give the scum a roadmap to finding power roles, if they don't know them already. We had a town reading on one of the uncleared names, but personally, it doesn't mean all that much to me with how they've been in public and private. Sometimes you have to not rely on these roles too much. Doesn't quite match up with this: Archie was cleared by investigation, and I believe his claim that Sinclair contacted him. Molly has nothing but wacky PMs to justify her place here. Last night. In the first post you mention you had a town reading on someone last night but you don't exactly trust it because of how they've been acting publicly and privately? Then in the second post you mention that Archie was cleared last night and that you completely believe him. It's a bit inconsistent and it doesn't really match up. Which is it? Do you trust Archie and believe his claims and reading or do you think he's somehow able to mask his scumness in his investigations?
def Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Because I don't want to waste time. All the same, I would rather work with the information we have. In the long term, we can't rely on these roles, but for now, yeah, we should.
Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Because I don't want to waste time. All the same, I would rather work with the information we have. In the long term, we can't rely on these roles, but for now, yeah, we should. There's isn't much of a long-term anymore. I imagine there's two scum left, at the maximum three (if they did convert someone). This game is going to end very soon if we make a mistake today.
def Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Three scum is improbable. Possibly two. But I'm not worried, since the pool of people that could be scum is very small. Your defense of Molly is noted.
Adam Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Vote: Archie Matthews / Adam I've listed a multitude of reasons above. I believe Archie to be a better choice than Molly. Beyond the fact that I was cleared, you're arguments aren't really sound. I'll reiterate what I said before: most people had a town read on me before I mentioned Sinclair (Scaevola) contacting me. Even you claim to have had a town read on me. If I were scum, why the hell would I throw the possibility of a conversion into the mix? If I had said nothing, you and everyone else would have still thought that I was town. Instead, I told the truth and revealed what Sinclair (Scaevola) had sent to me, knowing it would bring me attention and possibly suspicion, because that's the townie thing to do. Share information. As for why I tried to string him along instead of bringing his message to the town straightaway: I was trying to get as much information as possible out of him. Would he have revealed his scum buddies? Probably not, but maybe I could learn more about the recruiter role, or about the "special advantage" that he mentioned. Maybe I could find out if he was bluffing about any of that. I believed that it was best to try and get as much information out of him as possible. As for Siegfried (Speedy) and me being cleared, there isn't much I can say, because I don't know whether or not the Speaker was referring to me when he said he wasn't confident in one of the town readings. However, I'm betting there's been at least a couple town readings besides me (we know Siegfried (Speedy) and I were cleared, and we know Stanley (StickFig) was found to be scum, so that leaves what, two others?), so maybe he was referring to one of those people. But again, I don't want to presume what Siegfried (Speedy) is thinking or whether or not he thinks I'm suspicious. All I can do is argue against your claims, which I believe I have done.
Mencot Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Yeah, she doesn't know how to play. Thanks Why you could be scum now, (if you haven't from the start) I don't believe you have a PR and you said that you had not gotten any PMs about it! How do we know, you are a bluffer a liar, you have said it yourself, that makes you a good player. You come up with all kinds of stories to fool others and I think you are fooling us here again. But that is just me. About Bobby, I don't know whats up with that guy. And were is Tiny?
badboytje88 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 All this time we are worrying about a conversion... What if Sinclair just made that up to mess with our head... I don't know who to vote for. Molly is a likely suspect. Bobby is still on my list too, but not as high. Addie and Lloyd... I do not know what to make of these two. And then there have been scarier scenarios going through my mind. Where the Octan leader got elected for Speaker knowing he would likely be investigated and turn up loyal. He'd gather all power roles around him and direct them towards an Octan win even at the cost of leading the lynch of two of his team mates in order to keep his cover and get the last remaining Loyals to vote each other of going mad at the thoughts of why they are not finding the last member of Octan. But then again that's just my mind going paranoid. But is if were true I'd applaud you Siegfried. So what do we choose... Molly or Bobby. I need more time.
Mencot Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Mr Bjorn that is what I am talking about but maybe that is a little too much imagination. Lets concentrate on hearing something from Mr Tiny and Bobby
def Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks Why you could be scum now, (if you haven't from the start) I don't believe you have a PR and you said that you had not gotten any PMs about it! How do we know, you are a bluffer a liar, you have said it yourself, that makes you a good player. You come up with all kinds of stories to fool others and I think you are fooling us here again. But that is just me. Of course you think I'm fooling you. As I wrote, you don't know how to play. You know I have a power role, and I used it on you the first night. Where the Octan leader got elected for Speaker knowing he would likely be investigated and turn up loyal. He'd gather all power roles around him and direct them towards an Octan win even at the cost of leading the lynch of two of his team mates in order to keep his cover and get the last remaining Loyals to vote each other of going mad at the thoughts of why they are not finding the last member of Octan. That really is an over-complicated way of thinking about it. Think about it this way: I know what the town power roles are. Without saying who's left and who's gone, I think we can agree that the blocker is the least useful town role. It is in my opinion at least. If I were scum, I would have taken out Hatley after any other power role, not first. It's too much of a dangerous game for scum to have other roles hanging around.
Bob Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 That really is an over-complicated way of thinking about it. Think about it this way: I know what the town power roles are. Without saying who's left and who's gone, I think we can agree that the blocker is the least useful town role. It is in my opinion at least. If I were scum, I would have taken out Hatley after any other power role, not first. It's too much of a dangerous game for scum to have other roles hanging around. It's because you've already taken out all of the other town power roles. I hope everyone notices there's only been one night kill ever since after Night One. The Speaker would like you to think that it's because the scum are targeting him every night or are being blocked, even though he's claiming vanilla townie. Why would the scum target him every night if he's just the Speaker? His only power is silencing someone and stealing their vote. Last night, however, our blocker was killed, presumably by the scum. I offered to be killed on Night Four because Siegfried saw me as very suspicious and I didn't want them to waste the day on me. Now I see why I wasn't taken out it's because we no longer have a vigilante. Our vigilante was likely taken out very early on in the game, meaning anyone from Carol to Jacob could have been the vigilante. He probably bussed Stanley on Day Three after Stanley screwed up in thread or maybe the entire thing was staged so Siegfried could appear more loyal. However, there was a problem soon after: the town investigator caught one of his fellow scum, Sinclair. Siegfried knew that it would look very suspicious on his part if he didn't bring it out to the open, so he had to bus one of his other scum, making him look all the more loyal. Also on Day Four, Siegfried mentions that Pierce was blocked last night, setting the stage for a Pierce lynch on Day Five. Ho hum, Pierce was innocent, but the speaker gets away unscathed because he's already spearheaded the lynch on two townies. I'm willing to bet that Maurice was our investigator, and he was taken out on Night Four so he couldn't find anymore scum. This is why I wasn't killed on Night Four by the vigilante. This means that contrary to what Siegfried is saying, we no longer have an investigator. This means that Archie was in fact not investigated last night and is why there was such a difference in his opinions earlier today about who was investigated last night. It's always bothered me as to why you weren't taken out on Night One. The scum always go for someone in a power position - you said so yourself on Day One: Well, as you all know, I am a Loyal Representative. Some might even say, the loyalist of the loyal. Not I, I am for too humble to say such a thing. As a Loyal Representative, I volunteer for the position of speaker. I am a mere vanilla player, and if the speaker suffers from 'mayor syndrome', whereupon they are murdered one after the other (see the case study of Eurobricks Mafia's, 1 and 2), I will not be a massive loss to the town. As well, I rather enjoy speaking. Speaker: Speedy (Siegfried Dixon) So why are you still alive? The vigilante wouldn't go for the Speaker, but the scum certainly would, but they targeted someone else on that day. Then there's this on Day Two: Sadly, I have only had two PMs, one with Winifred, and one with another. I sent out two last night, but they were about Winifred, and were my mistake. I might hazard a thought that the two I sent warnings about Winifred are likely town, since scum would be disinclined to kill the person I thought was scum, but there's no way to tell which faction killed Winifred. Was Winifred our vigilante? Is that why she was killed on Night One? Did you somehow get her to claim to you by making up some nonsense about being the Speaker and coordinating a town block? Winifred is much more experienced than that to claim to you right away, granted, but there's always the possibility of that. You should have been taken out by the scum on Night One so they could install one of their own in the position the next day, but you weren't. In fact, you weren't even targeted at all by them. If you were targeted by them, there would have been only one kill on Night One, not two. I'm willing to hazard a guess that there's two or three scum left. The scum team is most likely Siegfried, Addie, and Archie. The scum have at the most four votes today. Yes, that's right, four, because Siegfried can steal a vote off of someone. You might notice that Tiny hasn't spoken all day today. That's because he's been silenced and his vote has been stolen off of him by the speaker. It takes five votes to lynch today. The scum have already cast their vote today to get us to lynch Molly because she's "useless and a distraction": Vote: Molly (Mencot) Thinning the herd. Vote: Molly Callaghan (Mencot) You both voted within twenty minutes of each other in hopes of starting another bandwagon. Siegfried figured the town would of course follow him because he's lynched two scum the entire game and nobody else has lynched any. He's thinning the herd, alright, but he's thinning the town herd for a scum victory. Unvote: Archie Matthews (Adam) Vote: Siegfried Dixon (Speedy) I urge all remaining townies to read what I've said carefully and to vote for the Speaker. As I've said, Siegfried and his cohorts have at the maximum four votes today and it takes five votes to lynch. They're counting on a townie to follow him blindly and vote for anything he says. I imagine he and the others will start a vote against me, since I'm coming after him. I full well expect him to try and lie his way out of this one as well.
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