Bionicle 2015 Discussion

[Lord-Vorahk]

Fun metal is best metal. Fun metal 2015!

[I AM THE DUCK MAN]

Protest LEGO to release fun metal shells! Metallic rainbow shells = fun metal shells

Edited September 17, 2014 by I AM THE DUCK MAN

[Dorek]

You've clearly never been to the bionicle subreddit.

I was more referring to where people of rational and open minds gather. Y'know, the opposite of that.

They are. They're food for your mind, man. Your imagination

That's deep, bro. Real deep.

[Toa of Gallifrey]

I was thinking, despite quite liking the Phantoka and Mistika (yes, even the Kanohi, except Gali's waffle iron eye), one thing I always wanted for them were weapons that harkened back to their Nuva weapons. The only ones I thought achieved this were Pohatu with his propeller claws and Lewa with his saber (which is close enough to his katana for me). I wanted Gali to have an awesome axe, Tahu to have bigger versions of his magma swords with the fire bit colored, Onua to have drills and Kopaka to have epic dual swords (never much cared for his shield) and now here they all are (except the drills but an awesome hammer is close enough. XD) and they all look amazing. Coincidentally this time it's Pohatu's and Lewa's weapons that are different, but I much prefer Lewa's axes to his katana and Pohatu's boomerangs to his claws.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Toa of Gallifrey

[toatyger]

Is anyone else hoping the the rock armor on the Earth Defender ends up being trans purple? Because that would be awesome.

[Grima]

Unlikely. I'd say, save for the colors/legs of skull spiders, what we're looking at is pretty much the final product.

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Fun metal is best metal. Fun metal 2015!

Lego has too use fun metal. Fun metal is safe metal for kids to use, like fun-scissors, and fun knives!

But anyway: If the skull spiders have no color, most sets have no background, the "Skull Krata" name (and his weird eyes), AND the packages have the Ignika on them, why do you think these are final? The display photo was the one that is completed and final, and some sets look very different. Also, Lewa changes from Jungle to Wind as his element.

I am just hoping that Lego goes with tan Pohatu. Brown and silver makes no sense.

Also, someone was talking before about Takanuva, and why he was silver in Stars; it was because they didn't want to mix up his mask as being part of the golden armor.

^But Takanuva 2016 (2015 is too early) would be epic. Some white, and gold, and grey, and a new Mask of Light, and then a remake of the MOL movie.......chances=0%

[Grima]

But anyway: If the skull spiders have no color, most sets have no background, the "Skull Krata" name (and his weird eyes), AND the packages have the Ignika on them, why do you think these are final? The display photo was the one that is completed and final, and some sets look very different. Also, Lewa changes from Jungle to Wind as his element.

No, they don't look different. The sets look exactly the same. Even the Guurahk staff pieces are there if you look. I can't say why the skull spiders weren't changed until the end, but I would put real cash money on these sets looking exactly like the final product. And yes, that includes LoSS's awful face printing. Keep in mind that set design happens before package design (Why design packages if the sets aren't done?) so it's no stretch to imagine very unfinalized packaging displaying finalized sets. Tahu, Lewa, and Fire Protector even have close to their final art. It's a safe bet we're looking at final designs here.

Also not sure where you're getting Lewa's element changing from, considering that's completely illegible on the stand, and everything else we've gotten says Jungle.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Grima

[Element Lord of Milk]

Petition to change the name of Gunmetal to Fun metal!

Also, speaking of skull spiders, has anyone else noticed that there seems to be what looks like a button on the forehead of the skull part? Adding that to the obvious gear functions of the Toa, maybe there'll be a new version of the 01-03 "game" with the knocking off of Skull Spiders possessing allies in place of the knocking off of regular masks?

[Mesonak]

Also, Lewa changes from Jungle to Wind as his element.

I keep seeing people say that... but I believe that logic isn't factually sound. Every piece of information and every name translation we've received regarding the Lewa set says "Master of Jungle." Even David Thomsen's set list from a while back that first (AND CORRECTLY) referred to the Defenders as "Protectors" labeled one as the "Protector of Jungle."

I don't believe he is actually a Master of Wind; I think it's a case of misreading the blurry display image. :P

Edited September 18, 2014 by Mesonak

[Dorek]

What if they don't have any elemental powers at all oooooooooh

[Grima]

Then it would be quite foolish to refer to them as the master of an element if they can't control them :P

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Then we get HF in a new setting with a new name.

[Dorek]

Well, we've been taking it as that meaning because it plays well into what we're accustomed to. But Master could easily refer to them just being the rulers of their respective dominion, thereby creating a ranking system that the Protectors also fall under.

[Grima]

Then we get HF in a new setting with a new name.

Not quite; it wouldn't have the thing that bugged me the most about Hero Factory, its central message: heroes are something you can create, not something you prove with deeds.

Well, we've been taking it as that meaning because it plays well into what we're accustomed to. But Master could easily refer to them just being the rulers of their respective dominion, thereby creating a ranking system that the Protectors also fall under.

That's a possibility, but only as much of a possibility as that the masks they wear are completely powerless. In other words, sure, they could take it that direction, but it seems very unlikely given the importance of it to Bionicle's concept.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Grima

[Clone 01354 Productions]

What if they don't have any elemental powers at all oooooooooh

That made me laugh. I know it was meant as a joke, but I wish to entertain that thought:: then why would Tahu be red, and Lewa green, and Gali blue and Pohatu brown and Onua black and Kopaka white? This is a REALLY diverse universe.....

Take away a Toa's mask powers and his elemental powers, and he's just a silly robot running around in paint and a goofy mask.

Edited September 18, 2014 by LN-01354

[Grima]

That made me laugh. I know it was meant as a joke, but I wish to entertain that thought:: then why would Tahu be red, and Lewa green, and Gali blue and Pohatu brown and Onua black and Kopaka white? This is a REALLY diverse universe.....

That really doesn't prove anything. The Heroes and Power Rangers also don't have elemental powers, but they still had distinct colors to identify themselves.

(At least I don't think the Power Rangers do; I know absolutely nothing about Power Rangers.)

[Clone 01354 Productions]

Not quite; it wouldn't have the thing that bugged me the most about Hero Factory, its central message: heroes are something you can create, not something you prove with deeds.

100% true.

Also, here's a weird thought: what if Bionicle was meant to end, and to return? What if Hero Factory acted as a "prequel" of sorts, and that the people who make the Heroes are really the Great Beings?! And so, Lego canceled Bionicle, used Hero Factory to show the Great Beings, and now there will be a massive HF and Bionicle crossover WAR?!

[Chro]

I don't think it was meant as a joke, LN.

May have been humorous, but it is a legitimate proposal.

And no, the HF universe is confirmed to be totally separate from the Bionicle universe.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Chro

[Kalhiki]

"Master of ..." sounds more like they control the element rather than they are the master of the tribe of a given element.

Since we were kind of on topic of Lewa, I don't mind him being Jungle. But I would like it if the Miru became "Mask of Air" just so he can retain his old powers.

[Phantoka_Chirox]

I don't think it was meant as a joke, LN.

May have been humorous, but it is a legitimate proposal.

And no, the HF universe is confirmed to be totally separate from the Bionicle universe.

This is where we start theorizing! So was it meant to be a joke or not??!?!

Seriously though, having the Toa/Masters not having any elemental powers would be a pretty big risk for Lego if Bionicle2015 was really a reboot.

[Dorek]

(I was being serious, but I'm pretty lax when it comes to tone, so it was, shall we say, a half-joke)

(Also I disagree with the Hero Factory thing, at least in its first year; the whole point WAS that proving worth by actions is better than being titled in name only)

BESIDES THAT

It's obviously still possible/likely that they have elemental powers and that's not even what the titles are referring to at all, or maybe Lewa had an element swap, or any number of possibilities. Just because we're used to BIONICLE being a certain way doesn't mean it won't change for the new wave, yeh?

I'd say the mask powers, if anything, are more likely to be cut than elemental powers, but the golden masks suggest otherwise.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Dorek

[Toa of Gallifrey]

I doubt we'll have Toa without elemental powers because that'd be something really risky for Lego to do. It'd be really cool to have a wave of Matoran in Toa armor, though.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Toa of Gallifrey

[Clone 01354 Productions]

The whole idea of the Toa was that they could control one of the six main elements. Without the elements, we get another 2006 situation: the Inika. These sad excuses for Toa relied on machines and guns, rather than the Elements. And everyone hated how it felt, since they didn't feel like Toa. They didn't feel like they fit with the previous tone of Bionicle.

Yes, I know that guns "made sense", but in order to establish the same feel of Bionicle, we need at least a few waves of Elements before we go to robots wearing paint running around with lasers.

"Master of Fire", but Tahu can't control fire. That's like being called "Master of Karate", but you don't know karate. You just like to watch it.

Edited September 18, 2014 by LN-01354

[Chro]

The whole idea of the Toa was that they could control one of the six main elements. Without the elements, we get another 2006 situation: the Inika. These sad excuses for Toa relied on machines and guns, rather than the Elements. And everyone hated how it felt, since they didn't feel like Toa. They didn't feel like they fit with the previous tone of Bionicle.

Yes, I know that guns "made sense", but in order to establish the same feel of Bionicle, we need at least a few waves of Elements before we go to robots wearing paint running around with lasers.

"Master of Fire", but Tahu can't control fire. That's like being called "Master of Karate", but you don't know karate. You just like to watch it.

Please stop speaking on behalf of everyone.

I for one quite enjoyed the tone of that year.

The characters who we saw transformed into the Toa Inika were already competent soldiers, inventors, athletes, et cetera as Matoran. They were used to defending themselves with weapons, not powers - and they continued to do so. (Plus, their powers were used when it counted, if not as frequently as some people might've liked - Matoro froze the chamber to knock out Umbra, for example.)