Hummer - Stealing with Pride

[Leif]

Anyone see who and what I am copying?

Entirely built in LDD and tonight in real .

Built with respect and admiration, for my own amusement and learning curve.

[Milan]

Hummer Wagon.

[Ondra]

Looks like center of car is going to bend, or it is only a mistake made by photo?

[BusterHaus]

The shock absorbers look rather stressed. You may want to space them out by another stud (half bushing per side).

[Epic Technic]

Hmm? Could this be Sariel's third hummer

[TheItalianBrick]

whatever it is...make sure the frame doens't bend! At the moment it's nearly kissing the table :grin: :grin:

[Leif]

whatever it is...make sure the frame doens't bend! At the moment it's nearly kissing the table :grin: :grin:

whatever it is...make sure the frame doens't bend! At the moment it's nearly kissing the table :grin: :grin:

Optical illusion it's not that bad! this is pic from better angle.

Yes that is correct, Sariel's Hummer, latest edition.

No intention from me to build a Hummer altogether. More of step forward in good chassi, portals, individual suspension, strong and all those key components.

The beast is really strong. Climbing is really good!

The shock absorbers look rather stressed. You may want to space them out by another stud (half bushing per side).

I don't think so. they are quite comfortable where they are now. almost too little compressed so steering and such is a bit raised right now rather than straight. Well a body will most certainly fix that!

[TheItalianBrick]

You are not convincing at all :laugh: :laugh:

that frame needs more work! :wink:

[Leif]

You are not convincing at all :laugh: :laugh:

that frame needs more work! :wink:

Well at least it's not "kissing the table", that I have proved, right

Probably I will shorten the frame a few studs as well. There are some areas that can be improved and there is right now very little reinforcement between upper and lower layer.

To get sturdy, for real, I have to add some studded beams, which is not a bad way to go.

those two BB and those 4 XL, darn that is some serious weight!

[TheItalianBrick]

Well at least it's not "kissing the table", that I have proved, right

Probably I will shorten the frame a few studs as well. There are some areas that can be improved and there is right now very little reinforcement between upper and lower layer.

To get sturdy, for real, I have to add some studded beams, which is not a bad way to go.

those two BB and those 4 XL, darn that is some serious weight!

when you will put the body on that frame it will for sure kiss and lick the table :tongue: :tongue:

[NXT45]

Nice job! Now yours will be driven by 4 XL's unlike Sariel's! :P

[Appie]

I don't think so. they are quite comfortable where they are now. almost too little compressed so steering and such is a bit raised right now rather than straight. Well a body will most certainly fix that!

I don't think it is about that. Rather the fact that the springs are wider than 1 stud around the spring part and you jammed them into 3L and 5L thin liftarms at the top while your liftarms for attaching the wheels to the chassis are 1L and 3L wide, meaning both springs are bending half a stud.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Appie

[pint14]

Chassis need definitely more work, beacuse it's bending atm, like other people had said it. Also move shocks half stud out so they woun't touch steering arms. Keep up good work!

EDIT: Aren't the chassis too long?

Edited December 17, 2014 by pint14

[Leif]

Chassis need definitely more work, beacuse it's bending atm, like other people had said it. Also move shocks half stud out so they woun't touch steering arms. Keep up good work!

EDIT: Aren't the chassis too long?

Yes probably a bit too long. Right now it's just a matter of several 15L beams together more or less. Tuning and cramping of gears and such is next step.

I discussed with Sariel on his website about the springs "jammed" into steering arms and other parts and he reassured me it was not an issue. check out his pics and you will see the same there. "stolen with pride" has to include some solutions from the original to qualify!

you jammed them into 3L and 5L thin liftarms at the top while your liftarms for attaching the wheels to the chassis are 1L and 3L wide, meaning both springs are bending half a stud.

Can you elaborate?

this is the setup at front axle, no half stud bending:

Nice job! Now yours will be driven by 4 XL's unlike Sariel's! :P

Yes, I have doublechecked, all axles and gears are in place

[Appie]

I don't know how to explain it more Look at the 9.5L spring, notice it is thicker than 1 stud in the middle of the thing, due to the spring. I can see it in your images that the steering arms are forcing the springs against the plastic of the springs. That shouldn't happen.

[Leif]

I don't know how to explain it more Look at the 9.5L spring, notice it is thicker than 1 stud in the middle of the thing, due to the spring. I can see it in your images that the steering arms are forcing the springs against the plastic of the springs. That shouldn't happen.

Yes you are correct. I first thought you meant different spacing top and bottom of shock, which was a misunderstanding.

Anyway, The Hummer I have borrowed the solution from has the same solution and I can promise you, it is just a matter of miniscule touching spring-beam, nothing more I can say about it. 100% legal? Not for me to decide.

Build and test and you will see that it is not an issue, I can promise!

[pint14]

Eventhough the shocks work normally i personally would add half a stud between steering arm and shock :D

Edited December 17, 2014 by pint14

[Appie]

Eventhough the shocks work normally i personally would add half a stud between steering arm and shock :D

This. I know it works fine, I don't have to test it. But besides maybe having to find another way to link your steering, it seems you have plenty of space to fix this little bit of stress on the springs, so why not fix it? I don't care that the original hummer has the same method, I wouldn't want the stress on the parts. Of course it is up to you, it isn't my Lego, but considering you're building one of the heaviest models, I'd be more careful than usual with unnecessary stress on suspension parts.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Appie

[Sariel]

I'm watching it with interest, especially since I'm too ill at the moment to build something myself :)

[Leif]

I'm watching it with interest, especially since I'm too ill at the moment to build something myself :)

I take that as a blessing Sariel, although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for me finishing...

I am really bad at body work, chassis - that's my deal!

Funny thing, current length is 63 studs, same as orig Hummer, and that is a coincidence.

I am right now enforcing and actually shortening a bit but also making rear axle more

modular and I will then add a third axle, just for fun!

This beast can really pull anything after that..

[Leif]

Rebuilt and improved. More or less the whole thing, at least I had to tear it apart to get all those beams and pins in place..

Improvement mostly using "Double Angular Beam" in order to reinfoce between layers. The weakest link right now is actually sideways since it is built more in "line" than crossover, so far.

I might add third axle, and/or centre differential lock. time will tell.

Thanks to Crowkiller and other guys for gear grind in diff. Now I actually managed to stall the engines (or the batteries) a few times rather than gear grinding!

and some pics, no more "kissing the table"

[Leif]

Stealing with Pride is already Mark III

Bracing in a whole new way. elevated drivetrain with interim solution for center diff lock. Diffs on axles are also double secured with bewel gears in both ends, thanks to all who helped with those ideas

The elevated drivetrain also gives an option to add a third axle, driven directly from drivetrain and not via bewel gear on second axle.

Drivetrain is now so braced and diffs are so secured that I actually wrecked a gear in center diff.

This is a build that I first entirely created in LDD, and I have learned a lot.

• I am now pretty fast in LDD and know the shortcuts.
  
• It takes time to build in real life. try, build, tear apart,sort parts. LDD can often be quicker but it is still only theory! Build as well!
  
• Some impossible pin mountings can be done in LDD but not in real life. look for them, and replace them with 2L fric with snap hole for easier/doable mounting
  
• I saved some time, only one side is done in LDD. other side is repetitive and easier to build when the view is not obstructed.
  

LXF here: https://www.dropbox....ummer2.lxf?dl=0

And some pics!

Edited December 25, 2014 by Leif

[Lakop]

The weight of those battery packs and motors will make it bend. Well done in making it stronger.

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