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#1 Dfenz

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 06:28 PM

I came late to the 9v train system and really liked the Santa Fe locomotive and carriages. Unfortunately for me the only carriages available on LS@H are the Type I Carriages (set 10025) whereas I'd also like to acquire some Type II sets (10022). The prices on Bricklink and Ebay for these sets are astronomical and to acquire the individual parts to make up a set wasn't really feasible. What I decided to do was acquire 5 Type I carriages from LS@H (still available) and convert 3 of these to Type II carriages. Given that they use the same train base and sticker sheet this seemed a runner. Anyway after going through the process of acquiring various parts on Bricklink I thought it might be useful to list out the extra parts needed to do the conversion as it is not simply a case of comparing the two inventories and ordering 3 of every shortfall. As the sets are designed to make different models not all parts are required for each railcar, an important consideration if those parts are relatively expensive.

Here is my list which I compiled late last night so if there are any errors please let me know. I need to double-check 2 items

4459 Black Technic Pin x 4
4449 Brown briefcase x 1
4079 Brown seat x 13
3666 DGrey Plate 1x6   x6
3460 DG Plate 1x8   x9
2420 DG plate 2x2 corner x3 (I couldn't match the instructions to Peeron inventory - I needed 2 less)
3020 DG plate 2x4  x3
3031 DG plate 4x4  x6
30357 DG round Corner 3x3  x2
2921 Light Grey Modified 1x1 with handle x 6
4070 LG modified 1x1 with headlight x6
6081 LG 2x4x1 1/3 curved top  x12
3063 LG round corner 2x2 macaroni x 12
4864b LG panel 1x2x2 open studs  x 9
3023 LG plate 1x2 x5 (again not sure about this as my count is 2 less than Peeron)
3666 LG plate 1x6  x 16
3022 LG plate 2x2  x11
4081b LG plate modified 1x1 with cliplight  x2
2817 LG plate modified 2x2 with hole x4
3040 LG slope 45 2x1  x2
3700 LG technic brick 1x2 with hole x1
2877 Pearl LG modified 1x2 with grill  x46
3899 Red cup x4
3063 Transclear round corner 2x2 macaroni x4
4864b Transclear 1x2x2 open studs x 29  (available at PAB in German stores/Legoland cheaply)
4073 Transgreen round 1x1 plate x2
4073 transred round 1x1 plate x1
4073 transyellow round 1x1 plate x 4
2362b white panel 1x2x3 open studs  x4
3022 white plate 2x2 x2
3021 white plate 2x3 x 7
3020 white plate 2x4  x9
3660 white slope inverted 45 2x2   x 2
6936 white tap 1x2 with dual handles  x2
32000 white technic brick 1x2 with holes   x8
3069b white tile 1x2 with groove    x12
2431 white tile 1x4   x4

Don't forget 1 set of instructions for 10022 (3 books).

Hope people find this useful.

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#2 CopMike

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 07:27 PM

Hi Dfenz!

I was cornered the same way after the Eurobricks Windsor event last year when I turned a bit to The Train Side >:-)!
There were type 1 carriages & the Santa Fe engine on sale but no type 2 carriages |-/.
After Hobbes sent me a set of the 10022 instructions he had lying around  *sweet* I did like you did.
I also happened to see some MOCs on Brickshelf so who knows what the future might have in store .... ;-)!

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#3 paul

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Posted 11 May 2007 - 10:20 PM

Thanks for that Dfenz I was trying to get the full Santa fe train and couldnt believe how much the discontinued cars were selling for,CHEERS *sweet*

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 05:36 AM

I had to do this when I wanted a second sleeper car.  However, if you already have 2 copies of the baggage/mail car set, and 3 copies of the other, you only need about 10 pieces to convert a baggage/mail car set into a sleeper using all the parts left over from the original 5 sets.  Even less, I imagine, to create either of the other two (dining or observation).

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 07:24 AM

View Postpaul, on May 11 2007, 11:20 PM, said:

Thanks for that Dfenz I was trying to get the full Santa fe train and couldnt believe how much the discontinued cars were selling for,CHEERS *sweet*
I hope so, I have one MISB left and plan to sell it before christmas *sweet*

Nice list, Dfenz. I've always wondered how many pieces you'd need to make a 10022 out of a 10025. Fortunately I own all the cars already *phew*

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 05:04 PM

View PostDfenz, on May 11 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

What I decided to do was acquire 5 Type I carriages from LS@H (still available) and convert 3 of these to Type II carriages.
So the list you made is enough to convert all three 10025 into the different 10022 ones?

Im planning to do exactly the same thing. *sweet*

View PostDfenz, on May 11 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

2420 DG plate 2x2 corner x3 (I couldn't match the instructions to Peeron inventory - I needed 2 less)
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3023 LG plate 1x2 x5 (again not sure about this as my count is 2 less than Peeron)
Have you figured out already about the two not-sure plates?

Thanks for helping and a big thanks for this thread! *y*
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#7 Dfenz

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 08:20 PM

View PostHolodoc, on Jun 11 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

So the list you made is enough to convert all three 10025 into the different 10022 ones?

Im planning to do exactly the same thing. *sweet*
Have you figured out already about the two not-sure plates?

Thanks for helping and a big thanks for this thread! *y*

Yes. The list should be enough to convert 3 x 10025 carriages into 1 copy of each 10022 version.

In my opinion the list above is correct regarding the two 'not so sure plates' (but if anyone comes across any errors please let me know and the above list can be revised)

I believe there is an error on Peeron and Bricklink regarding the two plates referred to.

Three copies of 10025 will give you a total of 12 (old) Dk Grey  2420 2x2 corner plates

10022-1 needs 4
10022-2 needs 6
10022-3 needs 5 making a total of 15. This leaves 3 to be acquired.

The Peeron inventory incorrectly indicates that 8 are required but I can't identify why you would need 8 of these in any one carriage.

Three copies of 10025 will give you a total of 24 (old) Light Grey 3023 1x2 plates

10022-1 needs 11
10022-2 needs 7
10022-3 needs 11 making a total of 29. This leaves 5 to be acquired.

The Peeron inventory incorrectly indicates that 13 are required but again I can't identify where the extra plates are required in either 10022-1 or 10022-3. I'm sticking with 11 max.

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Posted 11 June 2007 - 10:50 PM

Thanks again!

I just ordered the whole stuff from Bricklink (accompanied with some other bricks I needed).
It made a total of 45$ NOT including S&H and I had to order at 6 different stores... :-|

... and it took me almost the whole evening to finish my order and calculate the prices ...


But I love to to that kind of work! X-D

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 01:05 AM

View PostHolodoc, on Jun 11 2007, 11:50 PM, said:

Thanks again!

I just ordered the whole stuff from Bricklink (accompanied with some other bricks I needed).
It made a total of 45$ NOT including S&H and I had to order at 6 different stores... :-|

... and it took me almost the whole evening to finish my order and calculate the prices ...
But I love to to that kind of work! X-D

10022 On!

Yeah, when I was doing the conversion I got lots of extra parts to make the shippng costs worthwhile. It took me an evening or two to narrow down the search to as few shops as possible that didn't have high minimum orders. Unfortunately my timing was a little off because I came across the transparent pieces in PAB in Germany only after I had ordered them through Bricklink and they weren't cheap. There are really only a handful of the pieces that are relatively expensive - its simply the hassle of trying to find as few stores as possible in which to place the order. If I recollect correctly I did it in 6 also and that was before I narrowed down the list to take account of bricks not required by each carriage.

I think $45 plus S@H on top of the cost of your 3 10025 sets still represents good value considering the alternative.

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