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#1 Sebeus I

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:18 PM



A barquentine, also known as a schooner bark, is defined as a three-master, foremast being square rigged while the main and other masts are fore-and-aft rigged.
This combination makes it an excellent ship to sail close to the wind while it still has a good performance before the wind.

This is my second try at costum rigging (the first one being the dutchman).

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I optimized my variant of CGH's technique, instead of creating multiple offsets and slanted sections I use built the ships' side in one piece and attach it with no more than two hinge pieces per side. Originally I created this variant when I was short of hinge plates (in CGH's tutorial you need a lot of those), now I see it as a much better technique for small ships.
This barquentine (4 midsections) is about the biggest you can achieve with this technique, when you want to build a bigger ship CGH's technique is a much better choice.

During the building proces I considered the possibilities of making a frigate with my variant technique (Frigate meaning a ship with a continuing gun deck).
If I would raise the channels holding the rigging and sacrifice the galleries I could give this ship a broadside of 10 cannons, a decent 20 gun frigate as it were.
However raising the channels means that the ship will be taller, which looks less good.
So I guess if you really want to build a battleship this is not it :pir-grin: .

The specifications:
  • 4 midsections for a large prefab hull.
  • Capacity of 12 cannons (and such many cannon ports).
  • Fully functional capstan
  • Interior (although no easy access).

Anyway, enjoy the pictures :pir-wink: .

The functional capstan:



This is what really sets this MOC apart from other ships, as far as I know only my ships feature this kind of sophisticated capstan so you can guess it's something I like to brag about :pir-classic: .
The inner workings:
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Some on-board pictures;

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Ah, vintage doors and windows, I love them, perfect for a tall ship.

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The totally functional capstan :pir-grin: .

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A look into the cabin from the stern.
The cabin used to be accessible but when I started on the rigging it became complicated.

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I hope you liked it, I think I'm done with the good old prefab hull now, moving on to some bigger hulls now :pir-classic: .

Other ships with this tumblehome technique include my Brig-of-war, merchant brig, pirate brig and polacca.

Interesting fact: There was only one barquentine indexed in the MOC ship index, the previous version of this ship.
So you could say I'm the proud owner of the only barquentine at Classic Pirates :pir-tongue: .

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 04:02 PM

Ah, sebeus! When you told me in Antwerp you were done doing ships I was really kind of dissapointed as I really like your ships. Especially the smaller ones, exactly the sort of stuff I'd build if I hadn't gotten into carracks and caravels. Anyway, a lot of good stuff to be seen here, some of which also represent some of the experience I gained building my ships which actually only use two midsection. I too, use only a handfull of hinges and I also prefer to use smaller scale windows and doors. So really nice ships.
Some things I'd improve: I don't really like that you can see studs between the red and the black section, do you think you can put some plates in there?
And, I'd also move away from the techinc bricks to attach the shrouds, instead I started to use half fences as you can see in this pic:

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 04:26 PM

Let's compare it with the previous version:
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Some great improvements! Although the look of the folded sails is a bit too tube-like for my taste, I like the custom sails.
The deck details have also improved and I really like the look of the white cabin doors.
The black cones in the railings are nice as well. All in all there's enough difference between this ship and your previous one to get a seperate Index image Posted Image

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 04:29 PM

View Postkabel, on 28 December 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Ah, sebeus! When you told me in Antwerp you were done doing ships I was really kind of dissapointed as I really like your ships. Especially the smaller ones, exactly the sort of stuff I'd build if I hadn't gotten into carracks and caravels. Anyway, a lot of good stuff to be seen here, some of which also represent some of the experience I gained building my ships which actually only use two midsection. I too, use only a handfull of hinges and I also prefer to use smaller scale windows and doors. So really nice ships.
Some things I'd improve: I don't really like that you can see studs between the red and the black section, do you think you can put some plates in there?
And, I'd also move away from the techinc bricks to attach the shrouds, instead I started to use half fences as you can see in this pic:

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anyway, looking forward to more ships from you
Thanks,
after (and during) Brickmania I got interested again, now my submarines are gathering dust instead of my ships Posted Image .
Oh yes, the red studs, I was going to place black cheese slopes on them (because a tile just wouldn't fit) but kit seems I forgot, looking at the pictures it's clear that I really must fix this ASAP.
Those half fences look great, I didn't give it much thought as I'm still relatively new to costum rigging.
By the way, did you ever finished the Endeavour ?

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:21 AM

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 02:08 PM

Beautiful!
And nice reuse of some more old-fashioned LEGO doors.... Posted Image

Hats off to the rigging and the custom-made sails. I fear that a lot of work went into them, so I'll rather stick to the usual plastic rigging.
However, are you planning to add more work to the shrouds?
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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:01 PM

I have been too busy to barely visit this forum but now, seeing this, I can't avoid commenting Posted Image

I dare to say this is probably one of your best ships so far! I really like the deck view, this has to be one of my favourite photos:

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I'm stunned with the amount of details you managed to put in such a small space. Although I agree with AC on the sails I think they look very good and the rigging is simple but very clean overall, great job Posted Image The only thing actually bothering me are the galleries, they look a bit like a cube popping out of the ship, don't they?

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:17 PM

View PostAdmiral Croissant, on 28 December 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Let's compare it with the previous version:

Some great improvements! Although the look of the folded sails is a bit too tube-like for my taste, I like the custom sails.
The deck details have also improved and I really like the look of the white cabin doors.
The black cones in the railings are nice as well. All in all there's enough difference between this ship and your previous one to get a seperate Index image Posted Image

Can't wait to see bigger-scale ships!
Thanks,
About the folded sails... it's really a disadvantage of using plain paper I guess, maybe I'll unfold the sails to solve it.


View PostCaptain Braunsfeld, on 29 December 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Beautiful!
And nice reuse of some more old-fashioned LEGO doors.... Posted Image

Hats off to the rigging and the custom-made sails. I fear that a lot of work went into them, so I'll rather stick to the usual plastic rigging.
However, are you planning to add more work to the shrouds?
Thanks, the rope I used is rather thick, so are the knots I make with it, I first tried to add the horizontal ropes in the shrouds but by doing so the shrouds deformed, which gave them a loose and ineffective look.
I may have to use some other kind of rope for that.


View PostFrank Brick Wright, on 29 December 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

I have been too busy to barely visit this forum but now, seeing this, I can't avoid commenting Posted Image

I dare to say this is probably one of your best ships so far! I really like the deck view, this has to be one of my favourite photos:

I'm stunned with the amount of details you managed to put in such a small space. Although I agree with AC on the sails I think they look very good and the rigging is simple but very clean overall, great job Posted Image The only thing actually bothering me are the galleries, they look a bit like a cube popping out of the ship, don't they?
Thanks, good to have you here once more Posted Image .
The galleries look great when looking from the bow, they indeed look like a "cube popping out" at a frontal stern view, I may try to extend the galleries and connect them with the sternwindows.
Originally I just copied the galleries from my Brig-of war;

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Perhaps the bright colors make it look more obvious.
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Posted 29 December 2013 - 05:39 PM

View PostSebeus I, on 28 December 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

By the way, did you ever finished the Endeavour ?

no, I took her apart so I could start on the caravel redonda. I actually decided to fully concentrate medieval ships as there aren't too many good mocs from that particular era.
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:38 AM

I might suggest eliminating the side galleries all together. I think smooth sides right back to the transom would look rather sleek an suit her rig well. Keep the transom windows and the whole cabin, and maybe add to or space out her guns more. In absence of the side galleries perhaps a skylight might brighten the cabin. All IMHO of course. In any case she looking good. 

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 02:22 PM

View Postkurigan, on 30 December 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

I might suggest eliminating the side galleries all together. I think smooth sides right back to the transom would look rather sleek an suit her rig well. Keep the transom windows and the whole cabin, and maybe add to or space out her guns more. In absence of the side galleries perhaps a skylight might brighten the cabin. All IMHO of course. In any case she looking good.
Thanks, I like the side galleries, they make the side of the ship a bit more interesting I think, at the same time they also help to close a gap between the more narrow stern after and the wider section before the galleries.
I tried this earlier on my Merchant Brig;

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You can see it remains a bit too wide at the stern, reducing its sleekness.
I could solve it though if I would reach back for CGH's technique...

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:11 AM

nicely done Seb..
Then again : U now have standards to uphold..& yup..you did it again.
Every ship you make is a good stride forward..again with this one.

besides the slopes on the rid studs..there is something i do miss;. You have the opportunity to add a lifeboat/rowboat at the back.. must be missing..must've forgotten to hang it there;. can' t be anything else :);;
and i like the look of those galeries, and i do think that the red does kick it out further.. and yellow is just ..yellow without the awesomeness of added green ;-).


do keep on making these ships :)..

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 04:08 PM

View Postsynbiote, on 01 January 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

nicely done Seb..
Then again : U now have standards to uphold..& yup..you did it again.
Every ship you make is a good stride forward..again with this one.

besides the slopes on the rid studs..there is something i do miss;. You have the opportunity to add a lifeboat/rowboat at the back.. must be missing..must've forgotten to hang it there;. can' t be anything else :);;
and i like the look of those galeries, and i do think that the red does kick it out further.. and yellow is just ..yellow without the awesomeness of added green ;-).


do keep on making these ships :)..
Thanks, I didn't add the lifeboat, which was indeed supposed to be at the stern, It blocked the view of the stern a bit Posted Image
I will still add it though.
Are you sure about that green? I find it very risky to use green on a ship, the risk of a color bomb that is, especially with the blue gun ports and stern arch already present.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 12:03 AM

Wow. The half covered weather deck with the cabin is amazing. This is the second time I'm thinking about "copying" one MOC of yours! A pity I haven't any idea how, right now :(

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:30 AM

That's brilliant - love the tumblehome, and may 'borrow' that technique some day;-).  The working capstan looks amazing! Was thinking of installing one into my brig, but mine was to consist of a long technic rod secured vertically and rotated to coil the anchor's rope around! I have some way to go, I think!

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

View PostMatteo1130, on 02 January 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Wow. The half covered weather deck with the cabin is amazing. This is the second time I'm thinking about "copying" one MOC of yours! A pity I haven't any idea how, right now :(
Thanks, I'm thinking about making a post about the technique itself, a bit similar to CGH's tutorial post Posted Image .

View PostMoomin, on 04 January 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:

That's brilliant - love the tumblehome, and may 'borrow' that technique some day;-).  The working capstan looks amazing! Was thinking of installing one into my brig, but mine was to consist of a long technic rod secured vertically and rotated to coil the anchor's rope around! I have some way to go, I think!
Well, that is historically more accurate actually,
But actually this type of capstan was more common on bigger ships, my ship really is too small for its capstan.
Foremast Jack made a great tutorial about historical capstans some time ago: link.

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:38 AM

Thanks Sebeus I - Will have a look at that link, for sure.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 11:50 AM

Hi,

I've always cherished your enthusiasm for smaller warships and am a huge fan of your building techniques and inventive talent, especially when it comes to giving those underrepresented types of ships a voice here on the forum.
Although my favorite creation of yours is Farore's Wind (especially for her eye-candy-like blue and yellow color-scheme), this one's truly is a magnificent beauty, as well!

Keep it up!

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 11:39 PM

Very nice little ship! I know it's a bit small to carry guns, did you consider adding smaller custom built cannons? Like, swivels? It would be a shame to see such a pretty ship go down to pirates! Posted Image

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:57 PM

Hi Sebeus,
I would be much interested in your tutorial! (Once you have decided to create and post it)

How many ships have you built so far?
How many of them do still exist?
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Posted 17 January 2014 - 12:47 PM

View PostCaptain Braunsfeld, on 16 January 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Hi Sebeus,
I would be much interested in your tutorial! (Once you have decided to create and post it)

How many ships have you built so far?
How many of them do still exist?
I have around 36 ships on my record (excluding the smaller boats and rafts), I have pictures of almost all of them except for my very first ships.
I keep a record of them at mocpages.
At the moment however I have 7 ships still intact, some of them I intend to never take apart.
I'll get working on the tutorial again after the Pirate Team Contest Posted Image .

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 02:29 PM

Hi Sebeus,

the sails look really nice. What do you make them of and how?

Thx
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:40 PM

View PostLoves Houses, on 25 January 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Hi Sebeus,

the sails look really nice. What do you make them of and how?

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Thank you,
My sails are made of recycled paper (it already has that tan/brownish color),
I have a notebook of it, I draw my sails on them and cut them out
However I must say they are fragile, easey ripped in pieces.
Still, it's easy and it doesn't take too much time.

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

Hi,
I have tried cotton sails - and it was a complete failure Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image
I wanted to dye them but they resisted. And then they started to come apart at the edges (despite the use of glue). So, I am still experimenting...
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