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#1 dukeschunke

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 04:05 AM

The HMS Expedition will be my first WIP thread of mine using my own Legos.
I was inspired to build this ship when I saw Bonaparteís ship the HMS Hotspur. I have two BSBís and decided I have more men and cannons than I could fit on my ships, and so I decided to build something similar to the HMS Hotspur. When I was building this ship I had my laptop on the table with all of the Hotspurís images in my windows. I did change some things however, such as I added one more mast and one more mid section. I also omitted some cargo area in favor of more guns. She is after all a ship of war.
Some of my plans include replacing all the white and gray with yellow, add some railing and add details to the inside. I will need to make a bricklink order for these.
She will be armed with 14 non MOC cannons on the lower deck, along with 2 smaller MOC cannons in the front, 8-12 carronades (designed by my brother) and two small swivel cannons by the driver.
She will have a crew of 34-50.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 04:16 AM

The first thing that I notice about this ship is it looks waaaaay too big to be a sloop.

Is there any particular reason you've called it a sloop?

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 04:20 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 25 2007, 04:16 AM, said:

The first thing that I notice about this ship is it looks waaaaay too big to be a sloop.

Is there any particular reason you've called it a sloop?

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The reason I am calling it a sloop is because in my book The World of Jack Aubrey, a 16 gun ship is considered a sloop. There are sloops larger and smaller than this one.

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 04:24 AM

Yes, I suppose you're right.  I'm used to Sloop being used in reference to yachting.

But thinking about big sloops...


A Sloop of War
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Ths is one maybe a bit too modern for pirates

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 05:09 AM

Hmm lets see.

Here's the BSB:
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and here's the expedition:
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Yeah i guess there is a resemblance  :-D

Nice ship so far bro *y*
I love the BSB *wub*  so i really like ships that're based off of them too  :)
Can't wait to check it out at your house and have a closer look.

I think you used Z's method of extending your mast on the main mast.
With less cargo on the gun deck, i guess one could easily consider there being another deck below the waterline and gun deck :-$

Just a not about the glare:  If you don't have the camera pointed perpindicular to the large fish tank, but at more of an angle, there won't be any glare :)

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 08:35 AM

I was wondering with the fish tank in the background is the ship supposed to be sunken?   :-D

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 10:28 AM

This is clearly a sloop of war according to the wikipedia article on sloop of war: "In the 18th and the earlier part of the 19th centuries, a sloop-of-war was a small sailing warship with a single gun deck that carried between ten and eighteen cannons. A brig sloop had two masts and a ship sloop had three".

View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 25 2007, 04:05 AM, said:

Some of my plans include replacing all the white and gray with yellow, add some railing and add details to the inside.
That seems like a good idea. I will wait for your results to decide if I do this on the Hotspur.

The extra hull section (compared to the HMS Hotspur) and mast certainly make the ship more mature.  
And it still has the BSB-look  *y*

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 02:05 PM

Ok!  I've had some sleep since I wrote my previous posts, and at the time I was very tired so disregard anything dopey I may have written.

Anyway...  I'm wondering dear Duke, why you've decided to retain the look of the Black Seas Barracuda opposed to build you own ship from scratch with the pieces?

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 02:09 AM

View Postphred, on Mar 25 2007, 05:09 AM, said:

I think you used Z's method of extending your mast on the main mast.

Right you are Phred. In fact that is your piece I used to use ZCerberus's method.

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 25 2007, 08:35 AM, said:

I was wondering with the fish tank in the background is the ship supposed to be sunken?   :-D

I was wondering if anyone was going to say something along those lines.

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 25 2007, 02:05 PM, said:

Anyway...  I'm wondering dear Duke, why you've decided to retain the look of the Black Seas Barracuda opposed to build you own ship from scratch with the pieces?

Mister Phes,
There are two reasons I am keeping the BSB basic design. One reason is because I really like the BSBís and with two of them I wanted a larger and smaller version. I was originally going to just have two BSBs, but the HMS Hotspur made me decide to enlarge one of them. They will basically be sister ships. The other reason is due to a lack of bricks. If I redesigned it I would be basically using the same pieces and it would still look nearly identical. I am also building three other ships dipping into the same resources as this one. They will have threads in the future and I will work on them when this one is done.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 01:49 PM

Looking good Duke!
I like it, despite the fact I usually don't like these modified taller BSBs (because sometimes they don't look original and sometimes thrown together), but this one escapes that look. It's just as tall as the HMS Unclaimable!
Do you think 30-50 minifigs will fit on the ship though??

BTW, is this in the index yet Bonaparte? I believe not.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 02:06 PM

View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 26 2007, 12:09 PM, said:

If I redesigned it I would be basically using the same pieces and it would still look nearly identical.
I'm yet to make a MOC ship and sadly since I don't have enough space I haven't even built a Black Seas Barracuda, despite having one for about 5 years.   :'-(

But it would be an interesting challenge for someone to build a ship from a Black Sea Barracuda (not implying that's what you should do) and make it look completely different.

View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 26 2007, 12:09 PM, said:

I am also building three other ships dipping into the same resources as this one. They will have threads in the future and I will work on them when this one is done.
What are the other three ships?  Do you have WIP threads for them (that I've forgotten about) or haven't you posted them all yet? Me forget!

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 04:42 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Mar 26 2007, 01:49 PM, said:

Looking good Duke!
I like it, despite the fact I usually don't like these modified taller BSBs (because sometimes they don't look original and sometimes thrown together), but this one escapes that look. It's just as tall as the HMS Unclaimable!
Do you think 30-50 minifigs will fit on the ship though??

BTW, is this in the index yet Bonaparte? I believe not.

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Thanks for the compliments.
As for your crew inquiry, I may have as many as 42 men manning the cannons and carronades. I have some space between the 14 cannons below deck. I am hoping to man each of those with two men to make her rate of fire more rapid should I have it in a war-game. Also I may have up to 12 carronades and two small MOC cannons on the above deck requiring 14 more men. Plus Iíd like to have 2 marines in the bow, one in front of each set of doors, and two by the driver. Iíd also like to have a driver, navigator, two officers and two men in the castles. That brings her total crew to a possible 54. I may have one man on each cannon on the lower deck, bringing my total crew down to 40. I am not sure yet.
Also, I thought the ships needed to be finished before they were in the index, but I donít know.

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 26 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

I'm yet to make a MOC ship and sadly since I don't have enough space I haven't even built a Black Seas Barracuda, despite having one for about 5 years.   :'-(

But it would be an interesting challenge for someone to build a ship from a Black Sea Barracuda (not implying that's what you should do) and make it look completely different.
What are the other three ships?  Do you have WIP threads for them (that I've forgotten about) or haven't you posted them all yet? Me forget!

Mr. Phez
That is sad that you havenít found the time to make a BSB yet. I think you should make that your priority as it is a very nice vessel. It may also give you building ideas and new strategies on how to build.
Making a different looking ship out of the BSB sounds interesting. I am not going to rule that out for the HMS Expedition. I am open to suggestions.
The other ships I have to be made are a bomb that has a 16 wide prefab hull with two midsections, another warship using 12 wide prefab hull with 4 midsections, and I just ordered a book on the HMS Victory and some blueprints so that I can start building it.

View Postbonaparte, on Mar 25 2007, 10:28 AM, said:

This is clearly a sloop of war according to the wikipedia article on sloop of war: "In the 18th and the earlier part of the 19th centuries, a sloop-of-war was a small sailing warship with a single gun deck that carried between ten and eighteen cannons. A brig sloop had two masts and a ship sloop had three".
That seems like a good idea. I will wait for your results to decide if I do this on the Hotspur.

The extra hull section (compared to the HMS Hotspur) and mast certainly make the ship more mature.  
And it still has the BSB-look  *y*

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I agree this could be called a sloop of war.
I for one really like the BSB look and like how this ship is turning out.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 04:59 PM

View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 27 2007, 02:42 AM, said:

Mr. Phez
That is sad that you havenít found the time to make a BSB yet. I think you should make that your priority as it is a very nice vessel. It may also give you building ideas and new strategies on how to build.
Space is the problem.  I don't have anywhere to put one right at this moment.  Maybe in a couple of weeks when I'm in a bigger place I can begin to build one gradually, 10 minutes here and there...

View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 27 2007, 02:42 AM, said:

Making a different looking ship out of the BSB sounds interesting. I am not going to rule that out for the HMS Expedition. I am open to suggestions.
And unfortunately this is where I'm not much help because I just don't have any experience in the area!  Building a Black Seas Barracuda would no doubt be a great help in determining different ways of buidling, so until I get that experience I wouldn't know what I was talking about.

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Posted 26 March 2007 - 07:11 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 26 2007, 11:59 AM, said:

Building a Black Seas Barracuda would no doubt be a great help in determining different ways of buidling, so until I get that experience I wouldn't know what I was talking about.

nothing beats building to gain experience!



View Postdukeschunke, on Mar 25 2007, 09:09 PM, said:

Right you are Phred. In fact that is your piece I used to use ZCerberus's method.

Yes! I have begun to influence people!  Sweet!  

But seriously, if you have any questions or would like to know about any of the building techniques on the Arbiter II let me know!

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Posted 27 March 2007 - 06:25 AM

View PostZCerberus, on Mar 27 2007, 05:11 AM, said:

nothing beats building to gain experience!
Lack of space seems to be beating my gain of building experience to a pulp  X-D

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 02:52 AM

I thought about it for a while and decided to totally remake the HMS Expedition. I have been experimenting with some ideas and will use them on the ship.
I took off the rear BSB section and am creating my own. It will have 6 windows in the rear and a bowed curve to it (10 windows total). Obviously the green windows will be replaced with yellow and white ones. I am going to basically use the same black and yellow color shceme as the BSB.
I am also going to take all the sides off to finish the tumblehome effect I started. I saw something like this on Bonaparteís ships.
Let me know what you think.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 04:40 AM

This does seem quite interesting and it completely removed the Black Seas Barracuda aesthetic.   Green and red tend to look quite spicy together, dare I mention that colour scene was used in the Cross Bone Clipper?  X-D

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 07:11 AM

Hey Duke,
Those yellow framed windows look familiar X-O   Did you take mine?  I can't seem to find them anywhere X-D

Nice look so far *y*.  I hope you can tie everything together smoothly.
It'll look suppurb then.

You'll have to let me come over again and see it again.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 08:04 AM

This looks promising Mr. Duke.
I don't think I have seen a Lego ship before with the windows in a bowed curve.
The pictures are a bit dark (or is it my screen?), so it's hard to tell how you made the curved shape.

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 09:45 PM

View Postbonaparte, on Mar 29 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

I don't think I have seen a Lego ship before with the windows in a bowed curve.
Is that what this is?
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I thought the windows were on some kind of angle but the curve just isn't coming across on my monitor - or maybe its my head.  Hmmm....

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 10:28 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Mar 29 2007, 04:40 AM, said:

This does seem quite interesting and it completely removed the Black Seas Barracuda aesthetic.   Green and red tend to look quite spicy together, dare I mention that colour scene was used in the Cross Bone Clipper?  X-D

Mister Phez
Yeah, I am pretty much going away from my original plans of a modified BSB, but I still give credit to Bonaparteís HMS Hotspur for my tearing into this ship.
It will definitely not have the color scheme of the much loved Cross Bone Clipper.

View Postphred, on Mar 29 2007, 07:11 AM, said:

Hey Duke,
Those yellow framed windows look familiar X-O   Did you take mine?  I can't seem to find them anywhere X-D

Nice look so far *y*.  I hope you can tie everything together smoothly.
It'll look superb then.

You'll have to let me come over again and see it again.

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You can come over whenever you want. You know where the hidden key is.

View Postbonaparte, on Mar 29 2007, 08:04 AM, said:

This looks promising Mr. Duke.
I don't think I have seen a Lego ship before with the windows in a bowed curve.
The pictures are a bit dark (or is it my screen?), so it's hard to tell how you made the curved shape.

Bonaparte
The bowed windows is something I have always wanted to make. I have high hopes for the end result of it.

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Is that what this is?
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I thought the windows were on some kind of angle but the curve just isn't coming across on my monitor - or maybe its my head.  Hmmm....

Hopefully these pictures give everyone a better idea of what I am doing. I have some white 1x2 bricks in the place of where some of the windows will be. I am also going to get some smaller tiles so they are less vissible. I am going to have to revisit bricklink to order the parts for the new stern after I already ordered pieces for the old stern and the ordered parts arenít even here yet. |-/

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 08:49 AM

As I said before, very original idea to make the cabin like this.
Its a challenge to make this look right. I'm looking forward to see the end result!

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 03:36 PM

Hey Duke,
Since you're in class right now and i have class when you're done, I'll post these suggestions.

The ship looks pretty cool so far *y*.  
Some suggestions to streamline it maybe; that is if you're going for a more 18th and early 19th century look.

Number 1:  Try having an odd amount of windows in the back, so that all the windows have 1 stud between them.

Number 2:  Try moving the 2 windows on each side back as far as you can and have only 1 stud between them.

Number 3:  Try lowering the windows as low as you can and have the captain's room with a 6 brick height at the most.

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:11 PM

View Postphred, on Mar 30 2007, 03:36 PM, said:

Hey Duke,
Since you're in class right now and i have class when you're done, I'll post these suggestions.
The ship looks pretty cool so far *y*.  
Some suggestions to streamline it maybe; that is if you're going for a more 18th and early 19th century look.
Number 1:  Try having an odd amount of windows in the back, so that all the windows have 1 stud between them.
Number 2:  Try moving the 2 windows on each side back as far as you can and have only 1 stud between them.
Number 3:  Try lowering the windows as low as you can and have the captain's room with a 6 brick height at the most.

See ya later,
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After you came over and showed me what you meant, I think I will have the 7 windows in the back as you suggested. There will now be very close to the one stud gap you were talking about. I think it will be very difficult to lower the windows, but I will be able to lower the floor in the captainís quarters to lower the floor above the captainís quarters.

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 07:54 PM

Hello All,
I've still got to make a bricklink order to finish my ship, but here is what I have so far.
I reworked where the cannon ports will be and will now have 16 nonMOC cannons on the gun deck. There will also be a total of 4 smaller cannons to serve as chasers; two in the front and two in the back.
I havenít gotten the windows yet, but put some white 1x2 bricks in there place. I am also going to have to order more parts to keep the proper color coordination.
After taking the pictures I think I will need to move the main mast back 2-4 studs to make it look right.
Let me know what you think.

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