Mafia After Dark - Night 2: Mean Streets

[Tamamono]

Players only, please!

August 24th, 2005

New Brickland, Florida

10:46 P.M.

10 hours after his death, Donny's body has finally been taken away by the coroner. His place of death, however is going to take longer to clean up, and is being roped off with yellow hazard tape for the time being.

It's here that the Malone family gathers for the second time since the beginning of this ordeal.

However, the ominous feeling of being right next to where their comrade lost his life isn't phasing the Malones; their usual antics are still being kept up.

Scared of the dark this time, Colin curls up into a little ball and rolls around on the ground. "Daddy, help me!" he begs. "It's too dark!"

"Get up, you whippersnapper! Did I raise a man, or did I raise a mouse?" Bernard yells at him.

"Oh, Dad... you know you can't be that hard on him!" Kristina protests, "Colin's delicate!!"

"Eek, Olly!" Adelaide shrieks at her new pet ostrich. "Don't peck Uncle Bassy's car!!"

Olly the Ostrich, however, is not listening. Nor is Pablo, who's getting one hell of a ride.

"Everyone... Your attention, please!" Tam once again commands the conversation. "Once again we're here, gathered together to root out the scum of this family... I'm honestly surprised. I thought a group so perceptive as this could eliminate the Ferraris right off the bat. It seems I was incorrect."

"Our friend and comrade, Donny Dragonov, was a loyal Malone, of course. I have no doubt that his death was the result of foul play..."

Turning to Priscilla, Peter yells, "sARAH, wHAT dID hE sAY??", obviously unaware of his tone.

Unfortunately, "Sarah" was too busy grooming herself to notice the old geezer yelling in her ear.

Ignoring Pete's outburst, Tam continues. "Furthermore, I was thoroughly disappointed to see the distinct lack of backbone among you all last night. In this game of life, it's kill or be killed - a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't all want to be Ferrari Prey, you'd best start lynching some of them. It's because of this that from now on, very bad things will happen if you do not elect a lynch for the night."

"That will be all. I hope to see more promising results tonight."

And thus begins the second night of this nightmare...

~~~

The Family

Tam Malone - The Malone's Godfather; husband of Adelaide, brother of Kristina and Colin. - NPC

Bernard W. Malone - Retired; father of Tam, Kristina, and Colin - played by TheBoyWonder

Adelaide Malone - Wife of Tam - Played by Adam

Kristina Malone - Business major; little sister of Tam and Colin. - Played by Kristel

Colin Malone - Brother of Tam and Kristina - played by CorneliusMurdock

Cebastian Lillium - Party "Boy"; father of Patricia, brother of Adelaide - played by Cecilie

Patricia Lillium - Lovely Assistant to The Great Byron; son of Cebastian - played by Pandora

The Associates

Doğukan Akbulut - The Malone family's tailor - played by Dragonator

Jamie Neville - The Malone family's publicist - played by jamesn

Terrence Knox - The Malone family's lawyer - played by Trumpetking

Peter Nuccitelli - The Malone family's accountant - played by Peanuts

Priscilla Jenkins - Peter's secretary - played by Purpearljellyblob

The Great Byron - Magician - played by Bob

The Employees

Shane Donalds - Dealer - played by Shadows

Candy Nelson - Escort - played by Captain Nemo

Cap'n Rolfe - Extravagent Gentleman - played by Capt. Redblade

Officer Penelope Talbott - Corrupt cop - played by Palathadric

Dexter Fairbanks - Enforcer - played by def

The Deceased

The Cat in the Hat - NPC: Pulled out of a hat Night 1 - Cat

Donny Dragonov - played by Darkdragon: Crushed by a billboard Day 1 - Malone

Rules

1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Malones or the Ferraris. To win the game, theMalones must eradicate all threats to the family, while the Ferraris needs to outnumber all other players. Third Parties have their own win conditions, which are outlined in their role PMs.

2. Each night you will be able to vote to execute a player. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. A majority vote is required to lynch a player.

3. A game Night (equivalent of a Day) will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The Night will end after the full 72 hours, even if a unanimous vote has been reached beforehand. After the Night has concluded, a Day (equivalent of Night) Phase will commence, which will last 48 hours. A day thread will be posted, and will be closed once the Day phase is over. If you receive a night action, please send it to me during the timeframe which I specify for you.

4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the Day/Night, will be revealed at the beginning of the following Night (e.g., someone who is lynched on Night 1's affiliation will be revealed on Night 2, while someone who was killed during Day 2's affiliation will also be revealed at the start of Night 2 - even if they died in the middle of the Day.)

5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to or from you in PM with the game host. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage.

6. You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game thread unless otherwise stated by me. Yes, this includes PMs - you are not allowed to PM this game (unless granted a special exception). Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread; you must always play the role given to you.

7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on.

8. You may not edit your posts.

9. You must post in every thread - Day or Night.

10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM.

11. Violation of the above rules will result in a warning on your first offense, and your removal from the game on your second offense (you will be replaced). * **

* (Violation of the former part of Rule 6 will result in your immediate removal from the game)

**(Violation of Rule 7 will have a heavier penalty, made at the discretion of the Games Moderator.)

[Purpearljellyblob]

There seems to be a consensus that not much happened last night. That's what I thought too, but I'm still left wondering what Donny was worried about when he said that us discussing ("arguing") over whether or not to lynch might have been a "means of distracting us from seeing what is really happening" - it doesn't seem like anything was "really happening".

What was it we missed Donny? I asked you before, but perhaps you didn't hear me.

It's speculation at this point and I am taking all possibilities into consideration. Since Donny turns out to be a Malone, did he spot something that we didn't in the midst of all the discussion about policy lynching last night? Donny didn't get a chance to reveal what was 'really happening' but I would guess that if Donny was killed because of that, it might be something for us to work with.

[def]

Well, at the very least, we can take consolation in the fact that we didn't lose more than one in the night day. So, maybe there is no SK? And if we have a vig, they are showing some restraint

Not bad for day one, but Donny's death tells us little, and we have no votes to base things on. I think we should vote today. We can't just lean on PRs.

[Kristel]

Well, at the very least, we can take consolation in the fact that we didn't lose more than one in the night day. So, maybe there is no SK? And if we have a vig, they are showing some restraint

I think the most likely scenario is that our vig chose to show constraint, and Donnie's killer was either SK or Ferrari.

As for the SK, we know there is a third party and I'd agree with Patricia that it is likely they would have some sort of killing role. I would assume they would choose to make a kill. Assuming that the Ferraris would also choose to kill at every opportunity, it may be that one of the killers was prevented from carrying out their kill.

That's a bit waffly, sorry. What I mean is that Donny was most likely killed by the Ferraris, but we don't know that for a fact.

I think we should vote today. We can't just lean on PRs.

We don't have much choice today, given what Tam said earlier ...

Ignoring Pete's outburst, Tam continues. "Furthermore, I was thoroughly disappointed to see the distinct lack of backbone among you all last night. In this game of life, it's kill or be killed - a dog-eat-dog world. If you don't all want to be Ferrari Prey, you'd best start lynching some of them. It's because of this that from now on, very bad things will happen if you do not elect a lynch for the night."

[Capt. Redblade]

We got nowhere fast yesterday, so maybe we should start talking suspects sooner. I'll start.

I'd like to hear more from Byron tonight. His vote for Penelope was very flaky, saying some of her statements were odd and offering no examples. When Terrence asked him about this, he just repeated himself and said Penelope was odd. No evidence, no examples, and not much of a reason to support his claim.

[Shadows]

We don't have much choice today, given what Tam said earlier ...

Despite the threat, there wasn't an actual rule change, so it still isn't technically required, but we're obviously going to have to do the job ourselves and that means we need to start discussing matters early to prepare for a vote and the resulting discussion from it.

For starters, now that we know Donny was one of us, I'd like to ask those who were suspicious of him yesterday to explain those suspicions. I know I hadn't seen anything that struck me as odd in his statements or behaviour, so I have to wonder why others did. It's not much, but it's a place to start, given that he ended up dead.

On a similar note, does anyone think that the wording of Donny's situation might indicate that he might have been some kind of watcher?

Specifically:

"Man, what a perfect place!" he exclaims, "I can find out anything I want from up here! And what's more - I blend in!!"

If that's the case, I wonder if someone had a way to know that and took him out intentionally, as opposed to just a random kill. I also wonder if such an ability would pass on, I certainly hope so.

[Bob]

I'd like to hear more from Byron tonight. His vote for Penelope was very flaky, saying some of her statements were odd and offering no examples. When Terrence asked him about this, he just repeated himself and said Penelope was odd. No evidence, no examples, and not much of a reason to support his claim.

What more would you like me to say? I already told you the reasoning behind my vote.

[Capt. Redblade]

What more would you like me to say? I already told you the reasoning behind my vote.

No, you really did not. What specifically did she say that put you off? If we're going to evaluate your accusation fairly we need specific, concrete examples of Penelope's scumminess. We're not all thinking on the same wavelength, so you may be seeing things that we aren't. If that's the case, it would help us greatly to know what they are.

[Cecilie]

If that's the case, I wonder if someone had a way to know that and took him out intentionally, as opposed to just a random kill. I also wonder if such an ability would pass on, I certainly hope so.

I don't see how anyone could have been able to find out if he had a role this early, unless someone's been blabbing to each other illegally . Well, we can't discount the possibility that the scum have some sort of role cop, but I'd be very surprised if they could role cop, get a result and then kill, all on the same night/day.

[def]

Despite the threat, there wasn't an actual rule change, so it still isn't technically required, but we're obviously going to have to do the job ourselves and that means we need to start discussing matters early to prepare for a vote and the resulting discussion from it.

I strongly agree. Votes can be taken back, but we need to use the time at our disposal.

For starters, now that we know Donny was one of us, I'd like to ask those who were suspicious of him yesterday to explain those suspicions. I know I hadn't seen anything that struck me as odd in his statements or behaviour, so I have to wonder why others did. It's not much, but it's a place to start, given that he ended up dead.

I doubt anyone who killed Donny publicly accused him first, unless he was vig killed, which I doubt he was. Scum often like to leave a distance between themselves and their targets. Not that I'm suggesting we question all the people that didn't accuse him.

On a similar note, does anyone think that the wording of Donny's situation might indicate that he might have been some kind of watcher?

Specifically:

If that's the case, I wonder if someone had a way to know that and took him out intentionally, as opposed to just a random kill. I also wonder if such an ability would pass on, I certainly hope so.

I hope he wasn't the watcher. That would be a rough start. But I'm assuming the voice in the sky isn't going to give hints to the roles of the deceased, since it would hurt the ability to bluff for town, as well as scum, I suppose.

We got nowhere fast yesterday, so maybe we should start talking suspects sooner. I'll start.

I'd like to hear more from Byron tonight. His vote for Penelope was very flaky, saying some of her statements were odd and offering no examples. When Terrence asked him about this, he just repeated himself and said Penelope was odd. No evidence, no examples, and not much of a reason to support his claim.

I had a soft finger pointing at Penelope, and it was because of a muddying statement. My scumdar isn't great with the idle chit chat, but I have found that there is a scum policy of saying, "maybe scum will do A, or they will do the exact opposite B." It is basically a non-statement, and either end can be picked up as a defence.

I can't say it's is a damning offence, but if I had to throw a vote somewhere...

[CorneliusMurdock]

Ah! Ostrich!!! Run for your lives!!!

I don't know how anyone could have known if Donny was special or not just from the conversation yesterday, so I'm inclined to believe that they didn't know. Nor do we really know if he was special.

Overall, I think we don't have enough information about this to say for sure who killed him. Maybe once a pattern emerges, it'll be more obvious. The kill method seems SKish to me but who knows.

[Pandora]

I'm still not convinced the Ferraris kill people by squishing them with billboards, but as I've said before we'll find out in due course.

Working with the assumption that we do have a serial killer, it seems likely a kill was frustrated last night, one way or another. I'd be very disappointed in the VITS if clues have been left in the security footage from the daytime, and I agree that it would have been miraculous for scum to have determined Donny was special and kill him for that within such a short space of time.

[Peanuts]

Well, not all third parties have to be SKs, it's possible that there is a cult or a neutral player that doesn't kill. Of course, it's as possible that one kill simply failed for whatever reason. The MO doesn't really indicate anything. I'm reluctant to read too much in it, really.

I'm curious about the Donny's line, too, but so far there's nothing we can learn from speculating if he had a night action. And we can assume the scum didn't know, since he can't have told them in private and they can't have role-copped him by now.

I wonder what the "Very bad things" Bernard has been talking about are, but I don't want to find out.

Oh, and I think I should apologize to Mister Fairbanks for using the word "demand" in place of a more suitable verb.

[Shadows]

Working with the assumption that we do have a serial killer, it seems likely a kill was frustrated last night, one way or another.

There's an assumption I don't want to make, despite the slightly crazy tone of the killer. I've made a similar assumption before, only to find out that it was a vigilante. That said, I'll be very disappointed if we have a vigilante who chose to make a kill so quickly and based on nothing.

Bottom line, if that was a scum kill, it's quite possible that there isn't a SK and if a vig exists, they aren't randomly bloodthirsty. Out of all the possibilities, this is the scenario I'm hoping for, since it's that's the one that is best for us.

[Bob]

No, you really did not. What specifically did she say that put you off? If we're going to evaluate your accusation fairly we need specific, concrete examples of Penelope's scumminess. We're not all thinking on the same wavelength, so you may be seeing things that we aren't. If that's the case, it would help us greatly to know what they are.

Basically what Dexter said, but I can elaborate on it. It was a poke at her to see her reaction. The fact that she didn't respond immediately tells me that she's probably not scum. Usually, the scum troll the thread waiting for an accusation to come at them so they can immediately shut it down before more people build on it. Since she didn't immediately return to the thread and comment on my poke, it leads me to believe that nobody told her in private to get her megablocks into the conversation so she could respond to the accusation.

And yes, I believe that the scum can PM each other. Look at what it says in the rules, specifically rule #6:

6. You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game thread unless otherwise stated by me. Yes, this includes PMs - you are not allowed to PM this game (unless granted a special exception). Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread; you must always play the role given to you.

Look closely at where it says "unless granted a special exception". Usually the scum are allowed to communicate with each other. It'd be almost impossible for the scum to win if they couldn't talk to each other privately. It's just my interpretation of that rule.

[Pandora]

There's an assumption I don't want to make, despite the slightly crazy tone of the killer.

Just to clarify, I didn't say I was assuming Donny was killed by the SK, but purely that if we had a SK then they would want to kill as much as the Ferraris, and thus only having one death implies at least one of those two were frustrated. That statement isn't a comment on who killed Donny, but I have said I think it's less likely to be the Ferraris based on the MO.

[TrumpetKing]

Well, not all third parties have to be SKs, it's possible that there is a cult or a neutral player that doesn't kill. Of course, it's as possible that one kill simply failed for whatever reason. The MO doesn't really indicate anything. I'm reluctant to read too much in it, really.

I don't think we'd have a cult with 18 people, but we don't know what God knows here. Now a non-killing neutral, I see more unlikely, as I haven't heard of those at all, unless it's a cult. I want to think we have an SK, as well. What we need to deduce is what affiliation this killer is. It's perfectly natural to be thought as a scum kill, for killing a Malone, but it's just as likely to be a SK kill as well, and that the scum were likely blocked, since I can't imagine them holding off from a kill. I don't think our vig killed, because in most cases the vig doesn't usually kill on night/day 1, and I can't see them killing yesterday because we had such little information last night. So, that leaves us with either an SK kill mixed with a possibly blocked scum, or a scum kill with a possibly blocked SK or an SK that decided not to kill.

[Capt. Redblade]

And yes, I believe that the scum can PM each other. Look at what it says in the rules, specifically rule #6:

6. You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game thread unless otherwise stated by me. Yes, this includes PMs - you are not allowed to PM this game (unless granted a special exception). Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread; you must always play the role given to you.

Look closely at where it says "unless granted a special exception". Usually the scum are allowed to communicate with each other. It'd be almost impossible for the scum to win if they couldn't talk to each other privately. It's just my interpretation of that rule.

I think it's pretty much a given that scum can PM each other. I remember reading a story about a Mafia School where there were two scum teams who weren't initially able to contact each other, and it made things rather difficult for all involved. Isolating the scum from each other here would be a needlessly cruel thing to do on God's part, so they must be able to talk.

[jimmynick]

I see we've been repeating ourselves a bit today. I for one, am inclined to think Donny's murder was the Ferraris' doing, because there's no guarantee the third-party (which has been implied to exist) has a killing action, and a vig killing someone that early would reek of stupid.

Shane: why do you jump to the conclusion that people who were suspicious of Donny yesterday must be scum, and why did you suggest the security footage contained clues? Look where what you've said has driven the conversation today. Are you trying to distract us with inconsequential topics of discussion?

Byron: why weren't more forthcoming with darling Rolfie about your reasons for voting for Penelope? You claimed you had said everything, and then you gave a real explanation after some prodding.

[Adam]

Olly, stop that NOW!

Sorry, Olly's just a little spooked, is all. I'd also be more inclined to believe that Donny (darkdragon) was killed by a Ferrari, despite the somewhat unique MO. As we are so few in number, I'm a bit doubtful that there would be a murderous third party in our midst. That said, we obviously can't jump to conclusions about who exactly killed Donny (darkdragon) and about whether or not there was a kill interrupted during the daytime.

I think Priscilla (purpearljellyblob) raises a solid point with Donny's comments discussions that were "distracting us from seeing what is really happening". I recall that he specifically said:

Ferraris will most likely try and cause a no-lynch situation if they have a member in trouble. That's the thing to look out for. Saying it here isn't going to stop them either, and they will have a hard time covering it up when they do it. Well, they'll have a hard time if we are actually paying attention to what's happening and not arguing about stupid things like whether or not to lynch.

Unfortunately, nobody had voted before he made his comments, which meant that there was nobody under particularly more scrutiny than anybody else at that point. There had been a tiff between Shane (Shadows) and Colin (CorneliusMurdock), but that argument had sort of originated with the idea of a no-lynch. I think it's reasonable to conclude that if, and I mean if, Donny (darkdragon) was killed by a Ferrari, then his opposition to the idea of a no-lynch played a role.

[Kristel]

Our discussions so far today do seem a little inconsequential. Interesting to note, as Jamie did, that Shane's comments tonight has driven the conversation. Similarly, the discussion around policy lynching on Night 1 started with Shane's comments about there not being much to do until we get some night action results.

I've noticed that our tailor hasn't been very helpful to date, and didn't even bother posting during the day. Guess he must be busy tailoring things.

[Palathadric]

It's speculation at this point and I am taking all possibilities into consideration. Since Donny turns out to be a Malone, did he spot something that we didn't in the midst of all the discussion about policy lynching last night? Donny didn't get a chance to reveal what was 'really happening' but I would guess that if Donny was killed because of that, it might be something for us to work with.

I think Priscilla (purpearljellyblob) raises a solid point with Donny's comments discussions that were "distracting us from seeing what is really happening". I recall that he specifically said:

Unfortunately, nobody had voted before he made his comments, which meant that there was nobody under particularly more scrutiny than anybody else at that point. There had been a tiff between Shane (Shadows) and Colin (CorneliusMurdock), but that argument had sort of originated with the idea of a no-lynch. I think it's reasonable to conclude that if, and I mean if, Donny (darkdragon) was killed by a Ferrari, then his opposition to the idea of a no-lynch played a role.

You said it all, Adelaide. There was not much going on at the time. I really don't think Donny had any specific clues. If he did have some, he probably would've been more forthcoming with Patricia. It's not like he had a lack of time to do so, as the conversation went back and forth a couple times. I would more assume that Donny was just annoyed by the relatively idle banter and was hoping that the conversation would change to something more meaningful in her opinion.

If that's the case, I wonder if someone had a way to know that and took him out intentionally, as opposed to just a random kill. I also wonder if such an ability would pass on, I certainly hope so.

Now, if he had a power role, why would he be able to pass it on? Is it a common occurrence in these situations for us to pass on our special roles? I doubt it. If we're basing our judgement on the pictures of last night, which you seem to be doing, I would bet just about anything that the role was not passed on as the billboard was knocked down, which was his vantage point. I don't think there's a reason to randomly speculate about issues that we have no real knowledge about.

[def]

I don't think there's a reason to randomly speculate about issues that we have no real knowledge about.

It's not random speculation. It's using past experience to try to feel our way through this situation. On top of that, you just did the same thing!

I would bet just about anything that the role was not passed on as the billboard was knocked down, which was his vantage point.

I don't know if you're scum, but you're certainly being counter-productive

[Shadows]

Our discussions so far today do seem a little inconsequential.

I wouldn't say that, I think we're starting to get some indications, small as they may be, of the way some of us think. That's always useful.

Interesting to note, as Jamie did, that Shane's comments tonight has driven the conversation. Similarly, the discussion around policy lynching on Night 1 started with Shane's comments about there not being much to do until we get some night action results.

The conversation today is driven largely by the events we've seen thus far, I don't see that as exclusive to my comments. As for that whole policy thing, that wasn't my conversation either and I honestly found it a little off the mark. A day 1 lynch is mostly random luck, whether it's based on whatever nonsense a policy lynch is. I don't even recall hearing the term prior to this situation, but I've been out of the business for a while. My only point was the random part, not the policy part.

I've noticed that our tailor hasn't been very helpful to date, and didn't even bother posting during the day. Guess he must be busy tailoring things.

Interesting point. I thought posting was required.

Now, if he had a power role, why would he be able to pass it on? Is it a common occurrence in these situations for us to pass on our special roles? I doubt it.

Then you're either ignorant of mafia history or wanting to hope that others are and will believe that. I've seen plenty of cases where a role that was held by someone who died before being able to use it was passed on to give the town a decent chance. Obviously we don't know if there even is a role to pass on, or if that role could be passed, but it can't hurt to mention the possibility.

I would bet just about anything that the role was not passed on as the billboard was knocked down, which was his vantage point.

I suppose if his role was billboard sitter, you might be right, otherwise, your comment makes no sense at all. In other words, your comment makes no sense at all.

I don't think there's a reason to randomly speculate about issues that we have no real knowledge about.

Isn't that about all we can do at this point? As much as I support a lack of killing on the first day, sitting on our hands after that is just foolish and only benefits the scum. Given our inability to communicate privately, we have no investigation results to go on, so what would you have us do if we aren't supposed to speculate about issues we have no real knowledge about? That's everything. At least it is for those of us in the town, the scum should have lots of knowledge, but they don't need to speculate. There's something to think about.

It's not random speculation. It's using past experience to try to feel our way through this situation. On top of that, you just did the same thing!

I don't know if you're scum, but you're certainly being counter-productive

Seconded.

[def]

Voting's opened, so I'm going to lay a soft vote to get things started.

Vote: Penelope (Palathadric)

Let's see if:

1) you have something constructive to add

2) people bandwagon you

3) anyone else tries to save you

Vote early and vote often!