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21 replies to this topic  – Started by Fygg Nuuton , Jan 26 2007 10:08 PM

#1 Fygg Nuuton

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:08 PM

Anyone have good dimensions for them?  I can;t seem to find a good plan to make them from, and I would like to be as accurate as possible!

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 10:25 PM

I suppose you mean lateen sails? According to my book it's just lateen sails, not lateen rigged...

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 01:25 AM

Yeah, same thing to us land lubbers I guess!

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 04:07 AM

View PostMr Tiber, on Jan 27 2007, 09:25 AM, said:

I suppose you mean lateen sails? According to my book it's just lateen sails, not lateen rigged...

Don't suppose you could get a picture from this book, Mr Tiber?

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 06:20 AM

View PostFygg Nuuton, on Jan 26 2007, 10:08 PM, said:

Anyone have good dimensions for them?  I can;t seem to find a good plan to make them from, and I would like to be as accurate as possible!


This may help - Wikipedia - Lateen Sails

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 07:21 AM

Yeah, I saw that.  The problem is I can't seem to find a good hard number on the angles.

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 07:46 AM

Maybe Mr Tiber's book will provide more diagrams...  And maybe not...

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 08:18 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Jan 27 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

Maybe Mr Tiber's book will provide more diagrams...  And maybe not...

Little too much rivet counting for me.

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 01:28 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Jan 27 2007, 05:07 AM, said:

Don't suppose you could get a picture from this book, Mr Tiber?
Why not?


View PostMister Phes, on Jan 27 2007, 08:46 AM, said:

Maybe Mr Tiber's book will provide more diagrams...  And maybe not...
Nah, just a picture:
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In the left, it says, "latijn zeil" meaning lateen sail...

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 08:07 PM

ive been searching the net and tried to find any  accurate angles. but it seems like a lateen sail and rigging do not have a 100%  design- it was just  triangular .  but it look like  that it have a sort of conic shape.  
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this pic i found here with my letters on  show us the angles  
A: ca55 deg  B: ca 80 and C: ca45deg  
and on the pic mr Tiber put on the lateen sail have about   these angles
A(front): 60  B(back):85deg   and C(top) 35 deg.    so if you make your sails someplace like that i cant see how someone can tell you that you are wrong :-D

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Posted 27 January 2007 - 11:31 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Jan 28 2007, 12:28 AM, said:

Why not?

I wasn't sure if that was possible so I didn't want to demand you provide one.  But I can be more demanding in the future . X-D

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:09 AM

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Duke Schunke's ship the Xebec is using these sails, head over to this thread to check it out.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:17 AM

Hmmm...

I also have a Xebec that is Lateen rigged.

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they are actually right triangles I think.  I guess mine face the front more than some, so they might not be quite the same interms of visuals compared to Duke's.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 02:21 AM

View PostMr Tiber, on Jan 26 2007, 04:25 PM, said:

I suppose you mean lateen sails? According to my book it's just lateen sails, not lateen rigged...

Well the ship would be called a Lateen rigged ship, though the sails would merely be called Lateen sails.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 02:27 AM

View PostZCerberus, on Feb 4 2007, 12:17 PM, said:

I also have a Xebec that is Lateen rigged.

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Shouldn't all Xebecs have Lateen Rigged Sails though?  Otherwise it wouldn't really a Xebec, would it?

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 03:53 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Feb 3 2007, 08:27 PM, said:

Shouldn't all Xebecs have Lateen Rigged Sails though?  Otherwise it wouldn't really a Xebec, would it?

point taken... al  I was trying to convey was I also had a xebec, hence I also had one that was lateen rigged.  I would note that as mr. tiber said you should say all Xebecs are lateen rigged, not all Xebecs 'have lateen rigged sails', because the sails are just called lateen sails

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 04:12 AM

Actually that wasn't meant to be a point, it was a question because I don't really know much about Xebecs so I was looking for information to fill holes in my knowledge.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 04:43 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Feb 4 2007, 01:09 AM, said:

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Duke Schunke's ship the Xebec is using these sails, head over to this thread to check it out.

On the sails for this ship I started out with an isosceles triangle with a 75 degree angle oposite from the longest side. From this picture the original 75 degree angle is on the lower right portion of each sail. I then made a slight arch from each of the two shorter sides and left the longest side straight for mounting to the support. Each of the three sails share the same basic outline, just in different sizes. I am not at his house this weekend, but I can later show a picture of the sail off the ship flat on the floor if anyone would like.
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Posted 04 February 2007 - 05:48 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Feb 3 2007, 10:12 PM, said:

Actually that wasn't meant to be a point, it was a question because I don't really know much about Xebecs so I was looking for information to fill holes in my knowledge.


Ah yes, well as far as I am aware, Xebecs are all Lateen rigged.  

For clarities sake though I think we need to call the sails 'Lateen sails' as Mr. Tiber said, and not 'Lateen Rigged Sails'.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 01:28 PM

Mr Nuuton, maybe the triangle shape sails from the LEGO ship sets help you out...

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 08:26 PM

View Postdukeschunke, on Feb 4 2007, 03:43 PM, said:

On the sails for this ship I started out with an isosceles triangle with a 90 degree angle oposite from the longest side. From this picture the original 90 degree angle is on the lower right portion of each sail. I then made a slight arch from each of the two shorter sides and left the longest side straight for mounting to the support. Each of the three sails share the same basic outline, just in different sizes. I am not at his house this weekend, but I can later show a picture of the sail off the ship flat on the floor if anyone would like.

Thank you Duke Schunke,  Mr Fygg Nuuton should be pleased with that information - if he ever returns to read it!

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 08:38 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Feb 4 2007, 07:28 AM, said:

Mr Nuuton, maybe the triangle shape sails from the LEGO ship sets help you out...


This isn't a bad idea... but it will really depend on the angle he puts the yard arms, as a general shape reference though, I think it is a decent plan.

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