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20 replies to this topic  – Started by Jesper , Jan 14 2007 04:46 PM

#1 Jesper

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:46 PM

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HMS Floater - 64 gun 3rd rate ship of the line c1800

Impressing ship - in my opinion anyway.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 05:02 PM

This ship has some serious firepower, but there's not much crew to operate the guns.
The colors are good. Only the front of the ship doesn't feel right.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 05:12 PM

That's a lot of cannons...
The front is a bit too blocky, but i love the back!
Good job.

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 05:19 PM

It's a nice ship, but too bulky... But it's made on a prefab hull, an that proves you don't always need a brick built hull for big ships... 1 or 2 center sections could make it look alot better! And I think this should be in the Pirate forum...

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 06:40 PM

Wouldn't get in the way of its broadside, but aesthetically it could still use some work...

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:19 PM

The problem of this ship is, the height... If a small ship manages to come very close to the ship it can't be hit by the ship anymore, and then it could easily be boarded...

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 08:46 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Jan 15 2007, 04:19 AM, said:

And I think this should be in the Pirate forum...

I agree.  Because we've got so many ships in the Pirate MOC Forum, including those of circa 1800 I think it makes sense move this thread there for consistency sake.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:18 PM

The bow is terrible! Ugh!

Stern is nice.  colours are nice.

But it really is ughly, the bad proportions ruin it.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:32 PM

I see what you mean Imperator Viktor Napoleon - it seems like its a bit too high.


But does it look so bad from an aerial view?

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:48 PM

It looks too tall to me. Like it would tip over really easily.

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:23 PM

View PostImperator Viktor Napoleon, on Jan 17 2007, 04:18 PM, said:

The bow is terrible! Ugh!

Stern is nice.  colours are nice.

But it really is ughly, the bad proportions ruin it.


Wow!

People are harsh when the MOCer isn't posting here to defend himself.  

Honestly, I can't remember the last time I've seen such harsh criticism of a MOC.  I mean, why is it that when a member posts his or her MOC, nobody rips into them, but when a MOC is randomly pulled from brickshelf people lay it on the bulder as if there is no tomorrow?

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 11:21 PM

I probably should clarify I was agreeing with Imperator Viktor Napoleon that the proportions aren't right (I.e. too tall) but I wouldn't say the MOC was downright ugly.

Blue and White does have a point, I have noticed in the past we tend to be overly critical when the MOC builder isn't present, however I don't think this thread is as bad as some we've had in the past.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:16 AM

View PostAthos, on Jan 17 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

It looks too tall to me. Like it would tip over really easily.

Steve
I agree, this individual should have used a brick-built hull or cut their hull pieces in half to provide more width.

This MOC definetely has serious firepower.
Besides the width the rest of the proportions are great.  As said already the bow could use a little work.  I like how well the rigging is made.
I like the coloring too.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:55 AM

While a brick built hull is something I also prefer, I do appreciate that it requires ALOT of bricks to implement.  Very few fans (even AFOLs) have the resources to build a truly large ship.  Still, its nice to see somebody make the attempt.  For me, this MOC is a solid effort with some nice detailing.  Sure, the proportions are a bit off, but its really not that bad.  And honestly, how often do you see a MOC with 64 guns?

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 06:17 AM

Ahoy,

The HMS Floater is quite an old vessel (dating back to 2001 - see http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=1887), so I think it's a bit harsh to compare it to later vessels.

I think, for the time, it's very nice. I particularly like the use of masts for yardarms.

It is tall and narrow for it's armament, but unless dramatic steps are taken that is too be expected. Building a 64 is a pretty impressive undertaking (and even more so when it was done in 2001), and I think that the HMS Floater compares favourably aesthetically, to the majority of vessles built nowadays.

Although I think there are a few improvements that could be done quite easily (and some, like building in a lot of inverse slopes, with quite a bit of difficuly), I'd certainly be proud to moor her in Port Brique!

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:19 AM

View PostLegeaux, on Jan 18 2007, 06:17 AM, said:

Ahoy,

The HMS Floater is quite an old vessel (dating back to 2001 - see http://news.lugnet.c...irates/?n=1887), so I think it's a bit harsh to compare it to later vessels.

I think, for the time, it's very nice. I particularly like the use of masts for yardarms.

It is tall and narrow for it's armament, but unless dramatic steps are taken that is too be expected. Building a 64 is a pretty impressive undertaking (and even more so when it was done in 2001), and I think that the HMS Floater compares favourably aesthetically, to the majority of vessles built nowadays.

Although I think there are a few improvements that could be done quite easily (and some, like building in a lot of inverse slopes, with quite a bit of difficuly), I'd certainly be proud to moor her in Port Brique!

I agree with Legeaux, this is an older ship. I still don't see much that I think is that much better. To get width with sheer in a lego ship is not easy to do. Many are doing better on the width with inverse slopes. SNOT work can make a big difference on the bows. But sheer is still not offen seen. Credit most go to  Stephen Rowe's HM 20 gun Frigate Minotaur
as the first lego ship I know of to go for sheer.  I still know of very few large ships with sheer.

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 09:17 AM

Does anyone know who built the HMS Floater?

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 11:51 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Jan 18 2007, 09:17 AM, said:

Does anyone know who built the HMS Floater?

Tony Priestman - see http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=1887
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:10 AM

I concur with Legeaux, all this ship's problems are easily correctable.  Very easy.  

I REALLY like the rigging as well. (I think that the formast needs to be lowered a little).  Someone put a lot of time into the rig.

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 06:21 AM

View PostLegeaux, on Jan 18 2007, 12:17 AM, said:

Ahoy,

The HMS Floater is quite an old vessel (dating back to 2001 - see http://news.lugnet.com/pirates/?n=1887), so I think it's a bit harsh to compare it to later vessels.
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Wow i didn't realize these pics were that old!  I agree, this vessel shouldn't be judged too harshly...

View PostLegeaux, on Jan 18 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

...According to the lugnet thread, this ship was also his first big MOC.
I don't know about yous guys, but my first serious MOC was a joke compared to the frigate i'm completing now.
I'm sure Tony can build much better MOCs in the last 6 years (unless he went into the dark ages   8-o )

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Posted 20 January 2007 - 10:20 PM

View PostLegeaux, on Jan 19 2007, 10:51 AM, said:



Maybe someone could invite him to our forum.  So long as he wouldn't be too offended by some of the posts which I don't think were that harsh.




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