Scubacarrot, on 15 October 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:
Haven't heard much from you in thread, what's your view on the whole Hinckley vs. Dragonator thing?
I was sure Captain Genaro must have been scum, but I misread, so that's off the table and I'm back at square one.
To me Cornelius is still not sitting right to me, he just seems so sure of the fact that he is correct, I don't think you can be. Anyway, I am very interested in how Dragonator responds to Cornelius' last post.
I currently don't really trust anyone, not that it matters, since I am a Vanilla (again).
Darkdragon, on 15 October 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:
Yeah, I've been trying to keep up and make some sense of things. It's all pretty confusing. I was just about to post when I saw your message come in. I'm glad you cleared up that joke because I was seriously confused
Now if you really are the SK, that's going to be pretty funny. This whole neutrals/cult/multipl scum teams conversation from this morning still has my head spinning.
Is it ok with you if I use usernames instead of character name? I can't remember them all and have a really nasty headache and a fever right now. Just please dont quote in thread because I'll get a penalty vote for using player names
Shadows said a couple times, elsewhere, that Draggy might be neutral. Just like Hinck mentioned. I think Hinck is over-reacting a bit, but he tends to be insanely paranoid in mafia. Excalibur 2.0 he was so nuts! Anyway, yeah. To me, if we think Draggy is neutral or might be (which at this point I think it's possible), then hopefully our investigator will look tonight and somehow bring forth the info.
Genaro seems more worse to me. Fhomes brought up some good points, and the guy hasn't even come up to defend himself even though he's got a few votes on him now. His posts have all been pretty worthless, summarizing and stupid. Unless I've been missing something?
I don't really care too much about anylizing based on voting first, third, last, whatever. I think people usually vote when they feel like they have enough info or when they get a chance to vote. I'd rather anylize what they actually say.
Scubacarrot, on 15 October 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:
I use usernames as well, can't remember character names.
The whole premise for why I voted for Genaro was that I thought he said he voted with the crowd after it was clear he was going to be the target, a slight odd thing to do, but not weirder as some other things, but I thought Fhomess said he voted third, which would make his statement a lie. Turns out that's not what was meant and the whole base is off. Genaro has some odd behaviour, but not more than badboy or some others.
I think we can be quite happy with most of the players, there's a lot of active people, and even though I can't do jack, I am enjoying it quite a bit, so that's good.
I doubt there's anything I can add really to the conversation, I think I'll just watch and see how things develop between Hinckley and Dragonator, and choose tomorrow (real time). I kinda things fall or stand for Dragonator with his next response.
Darkdragon, on 15 October 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:
Ah ok, I see what you are saying. I'm still really suspicious of both of them (Genaro and Badboy). I don't understand why everyone is focusing on the Draggy thing instead of going after one of those two. Just investigate Draggy and lynch him tomorrow if he's neutral.
However, the fact that Draggy defended himself before Hinck even said it was him makes me wonder if he is the SK and he is desprate to not get lynched. Of course none of us like dying but he seems to have been a bit over-eager to defend himself there.
Like you said, we'll see what he says next.
If I could, I surely would investigate Draggy. Heck, I'd have done it night one just because I'd like to know if any veterans are on the same team as myself so I could go to them for sage advice. I'm so tired of being powerless.
Was really hoping I'd get a fun role like vig this time.
Scubacarrot, on 16 October 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:
You are following Hinckley too blindly, assuming you are town.
Darkdragon, on 16 October 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:
It's so hard to know though. I hate being in the dark like this, I wish an investigator would come out with some info at least through someone else or something.
What makes you so angry with him and so suspicious? I dunno, I'm not seeing it. I've read all the posts and stuff, but he seems like his normal paranoid self to me.
Scubacarrot, on 16 October 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:
He is messing with me. He is making me compliments, telling me I'm smart and whatever, but he treats me like an eight year old. He is lying left and right, add the whole: It's okay guys, the matter is solved, you don't need to know what or how, and I think he is playing me.
If he is scum, he got caught in his own complicated web, if he is town, he needs to learn how to deal with the rest of the town. Perhaps he's used to a few active townies he is always in communication with, and a bunch of sheep, but I fit in neither of those, and I called him out for it.
Darkdragon, on 16 October 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:
-snip -You are the first person to PM me this whole game.
Snipped some unrelated shit.
Scubacarrot, on 16 October 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:
I haven't got Pm'ed by anyone, I pm people myself, the other way rarely happens, Paladathric does sometimes, or Danny and fhomess but none of them this game.
Darkdragon, on 16 October 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:
Ah ok. I'm too paranoid of PMs to do that. I'm sure I'd start trusting a scum and then get taken out night one, and I really would rather play than die.
I don't know how to help. I don't really find too many people too suspicious right now. There are so many quiet people though, I hope we can start looking at them more tomorrow. I really do feel like Badboy is acting strange, and like someone is protecting him by steering the conversation away from him today (game day). I think that question needs to be answered before we move onto others, this sort of thing is what happened in TF2 that let Scouty get away with murder for what 4 more days?
Anyway, I trust you more now than I did before today because I can see you are being your same pushy self that I remember for everywhere. I will admit I was suspicious of you on day one.
Two unrelated Pms between.
Darkdragon, on 19 October 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:
Hi again. Glad to see we are both still alive.
From your post in the day, are you thinking Hinck is innocent? I'm actually more suspicious of him than ever. Two of the people from his play are dead - and one of them was the town vig?! Convenient, no?
Scubacarrot, on 19 October 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:
I don't think he is innocent, no. Nothing has lead me to believe that.
Fugazi was clearly blocked and then killed. seems like someone really wanted him dead, and not kill. Hinck could very well have been talking to him, knew who his target was, a scum, and then killed him. I'm not believing a word he says in thread.
Darkdragon, on 19 October 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:
Ok, I was just wondering based on your first post.
It was quite toned down from yesterday.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that foog was blocked. Hinck admitted he knew who Foog was, that he was a power role anyway. Though his second post seems like he is trying to back out of what he said in the first, like he's trying to duck the issue that he possibly knew that Foog was not only a power role bt that he was the vig. I know they are freinds, but I can't imagine Foog would tell him his role when it's that important to town, so there is only one other way he could possibly know.
Is it impossible to think we could lynch Hinck today? Maybe the SK will go after him tonight? He's started making mistakes and showing his scumminess, it started late yesteray and his first post was so long, how did he do it so fast? He must have had it prewritten, that's a crazy theory of mine, but my crazy theories tend to be accurate in the end.
Scubacarrot, on 19 October 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:
Nah, there is quite some time between the opening of the day and Hinck's first post.
I don't know. I still stand by my viewpoints, we'll see how it goes.
Scubacarrot, on 25 October 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:
Dragonator's going at it behind the scenes. If he comes up with an actual lynching target that's scum, I will eat my shoes. And my current shoes are oooooold.
Don't take anything I'm saying too seriously, I'm messing with people. Some people got it, others didn't. Their loss.
Darkdragon, on 25 October 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:
Do you really think Scouty is scum? I do not get that from him at all and I picked up on it day one in TF2
Any real suspects today? I pretty much suspect everyone but you scouty and draggy. Thatpost from Sandy was very wtf.
Scubacarrot, on 25 October 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:
I don't know, he could be? Sandy is always weird, I suspected here since a long time, We'll see, I bet she/he is in the council of the megablock, anyway. I suspect Draggy. He and Hinckley could still be working together, I think.
I trust only myself and Broadsword killer. At least we can count on him. He is my hero.
Weird is used in the most positive way of the word here. I promise.
Darkdragon, on 25 October 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:
Yeah that broadsword killer is doing an amazing job. I can't wait to shake is virtual hand in the conclusion.
If Draggy was working with hinck why would he be the one to start lynch with that very persuasive case? I can't imagine hinck ever sacrificing himself for any team.
Scubacarrot, on 25 October 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:
Dragonator's case had no original thought in it. I'll tell you why my theory is possible. So Hinckley was off to Chicago, right? What if he knew he could not spend as much time on mafia, and since he was already under fire, decided to give a huge advantage to his buddy, Dragonator, by "letting him lynch him"? Hinckley did not fight on day three, he really didn't.
You've been around longer than me, could Hinckley and Dragonator think something like that up between the two of them. Plus: Why is Dragonator not dead yet?
Darkdragon, on 25 October 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:
Wow yeah I didn't think of it that way. I know Draggy would have known Hinck was going to Chi that whole weekend right when day 3 was posted. They know each other well and you are right, I would expect Draggy to be a meta game kill on night two unless they were on the same team.
Seems like a lot of staged fighting, but maybe hinck thought it would throw us off draggys scent.
Even though it looks good now, if Draggy+Hinck was running a town block, we are in deep trouble. I hope the swordsman is paying close attention too.
Scubacarrot, on 25 October 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:
Dragonator is currently leadin the "town block", so there you go. I'm kinda hoping the scum take me out, make them think I'm the broadsword hero.
Darkdragon, on 25 October 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:
Jeeze. I'm worried. If you are the hero then and they take you out...that would be very bad. If you aren't, then at least he might get another one tonight
Do you think there are many left? I had a horrible thought today what if the game had 8 of them? That would be down half only, but would point to the swordsman being a vigilante not an SK which makes more sense. So then he really is on our side.
And Hinck was in the same town core right? I keep thinking "but for how many days?" but then I remember we just started day 4 and this whole thing is flying by so fast. How in the world would peopple think claming to Hinck on day 1 and day 2 was a good plan?
Scubacarrot, on 25 October 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:
There's one or two left, I'm sure. Fug was the vigilante, that was made very clear in the pictures and he claimed that to multiple people, so. Same town core, yup.
Darkdragon, on 31 October 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:
Sorry to say, I'm not this mysterious role cop, hope you weren't too excited when your PMs lit up.
Just wanted to talk to you and find out if you are still suspicious of Chromeknight. I know I am, that's a fact. I think a lot of his claims are suspicious and can't be proven. It's just too convenient at this point. Maybe he is the last scum with no team to fall back on? He's been replying pretty quickly and the formatting and wording is strange. Though most of his posts have been pretty strange this whole time.
Scubacarrot, on 31 October 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:
I am. A lot of what he said seems very convenient, maybe too convenient, but perhaps that's just because it's likely... I don't know, this role cop is more bad business, how I see it. I can't see how a result like that on me is possible...
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:
So DD. We are nearing endgame, Stuff is going down, and it's getting more confusing and confusing, and now you are in the mix apparantly. According to a highly untrustworthy source you are the scum's one shot tracker, killer and part converter.... Can you shed ANY light on this because I'm about to go jump off a viking-cliff (It's like a cliff, but manlier).
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:
A scum one-shot tracker/killer/converter?
I've never heard of such a thing. That sounds completely made up to me, are you sure this informant isn't just trying to get me lynched?
I think you are right that the endgame is coming. There can't be much places left for scum to hide. For them to still be alive right now points at someone in the town block. Perhaps it's even this untrustworthy source you mention? I'm not sure who is in that group, or if you are in the group, but it would be a good place for scum to hide. I'm still puzzled by yesterday, we lost 3 townies and they were all accused by Draggy. Why did nobody seem to care about that?
Could the town core group be mostly scum at this point? How many conversions would be normal in a game this size?
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:
Thing is. You must have some sort of action. And you must be talking to some people. If you don't trust me, still, that's fine, although i'd like to hear your reasoning. Point is: Dragonator did not say you did not claim anything when he said it could be me pala or whitefang, which is of course total bs, but you weren't included, so you have some sort of action.
I'd like to know what it is, as I don't know what the hell is going on and I am trying to figure it out. If my info is correct, you are the watcher, but that same info said you claimed to Dragonator.
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:
Alright scuba, I admit that I do trust you more than I trust others, and like you said the game is nearly over. There's no point in keeping trying to do everyting on my own here. I might as well pass on what info I have.
So I guess it's time to confess, I do have an action. I'm sorry I was dishonest with you at the start, but I'm sure you can understand that I can't just trust people when they PM me. We both remember how well you pulled the wool over Hinckley's eyes in Ex2, and that's not easy to do.
I wasn't lying about feeling powerless though. My role is really strange. I had a bunch of different one-shot actions which is hard to decide how to use when not part of the town core. On the other hand, it's a good thing I wasn't - since Hinckley was leading it for days, at least my thoughts were not tainted by him.
Normally, I would never like to claim to anyone unless I trust them completely, but I was forced to claim to Draggy because someone saw me target WBD last night. I used a one-shot tracker action to follow him that night, because I was very suspicious of him since around day 2. Like I told draggy, I saw wbd target Etzel and that's all I know. Hopefully they will have the tracker on him again to figure out if he is a killer or if he was doing something else.
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:
So you're claiming Jack of All Trades... Okay.
I think you are town from your interaction with me and your comments in thread, DD. Thing is: Jack of all trades is a very convenient role claim for the scum to make, I did it myself in Yakuza. On top of that Jack of all trades is often a third party or scum role, although it can be town.
Would you perhaps give me an overview what actions you used when and on who? And if you were any, which of Hinckley's acronyms were you?
Thanks for clearing stuff up.
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:
As far as I know, I was not any of Hinckley's acronyms. I wasn't PMing with him at all and only PMd with you and Scouty (you both contacted me the same night), and then a couple messages with Draggy after I was tracked.
My role PM didn't have "Jack of All Trades" in it, but yeah, that does seem like what it is. I get confused when the host doesn't use the role names that are on Mafiascum.net
So Rick just contacted me and said I'm being killed tonight. Did you know this too?
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:
He told me just now, but WBD, who is the vig, or so he claims, said he would kill Dragonator. Either way, that overview is going to be useful.
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:
So you really aren't the broadsword killer?
On the night Scouty contacted me, I used my one-shot protection to protect him. He seemed town and he seemed very scared he was being targeted by Draggy that night. I'd already had my doubts about Draggy, and didn't have any other options I thought were better, so I used up that action.
Then I tracked WBD, as I mentioned already.
I only have one action left, it's investigative, but I guess I'll have no chance to use it.
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:
Nope, I'm vanilla, as I've said a hundred times by now and I will continue to say.
Hm. Why did you not use that investigative action earlier, say on Night 1?
And you only had three actions?
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:
Double post, and why would Scouty be scared of Dragonator?
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:
Because I'm not very good and I always flounder at the first day.
I'm kinda a hoarder, I keep things because they might be more useful later. It's usually a mistake, but just one of those things I will probably never stop doing.
Yeah I only had the 3 actions, I have no idea if that's normal or not. Maybe it's a balance issue because those were already covered by similar full roles? I really have no clue on that part.
I don't know why Scouty was so afraid of Draggy, not sure if he still is or not, he's gone quiet since Hinckley was lynched.
Scubacarrot, on 04 November 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:
Hm. Alright. Forgive me but I don't really know what to make of people saying thing like "I'm a hoarder"... With the stupid roles already around, yours is certainly not an impossibility, but still, it's odd, and I would really have thought you'd use them sooner if you were town, for all you know, tomorrow you are dead and have an unused action.
If WBD really kills you and you are town, I hope we can do something with this information, thanks. I hope WBD checks in as well.
Darkdragon, on 04 November 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:
Oh sorry, i mean me personally. I just keep things thinking there will be a better time to use them later.
On day/night one there is no info to go on and it seems like such a bad time to use anything that isn't compulsory. I really nervous about wasting them, as I also mentioned to draggy.
Any player can be dead the next day at any point, so I really don't see what point there is in just firing things off randomly without having some though/info behind it.
That's it. My hands are tired of copying and pasting now. Hope it was worth it.
Lots of evidence against Sveinn, actually. Interesting.