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10 replies to this topic  – Started by Darth Kamil , Sep 07 2012 08:33 PM

#1 Darth Kamil

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

Arrr!
Hello there, landlubber!  :pir_laugh2:

Firstly, I’m sorry for my English. I’m from Poland and I may make mistakes.
Secondly, I want to thank all of the captains in the Legobay. I like your ships. And it really helps me with bilding mine :pir-classic:
So, for ten days I was building  that hull. It’s unfinished yet, because I have a request to you, guys. What I mean? Suddenly, during the constructing, I discovered that the anchor was in the wrong place. I want to eliminate all mistakes that I don’t see. I’m going to make a real rigging, so I would ask you for opinions and what should I change?

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“Desmond's Revenge” is… huh, it should be a brig. It will have two masts, both square-rigged with a spanker on the mainmast. That’s ok. Historically brig has 10-18 cannons. I have 10. It can be too. What it’s a problem. Brig has all cannons on the main deck. In my version there are two (smaller) canons in the bow. The rest is on the lower deck and there’s gun deck. I don’t know how to classified it. Is it the brig, or not?

Now I know I will add cathead. And I'm not sure what to do with stern. However, starboard and port board may be removed to have access to the deck. Yeah, and there’s no door to captain cabin  :pir-laugh:
By the way, I used almost the majority of my bricks with that colors.

Moreover there’s pictures with masts prototype.

PS It's my first that kind of MOC  :pir-hmpf_bad:

#2 Captain Becker

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 09:21 PM

Well, first of all you have a great start there. About the mistakes you wanted to know, maby it would help if you would examine and read some books from the golden age of Sailing ships and some pictures/Plans for Brigs/Ships in general.
If possible, there are some gaps in the hull, under the waterline, so if we think that the ship would set sail, it would sink as fast as Vasa did, or even faster. Thats however isnt so important, so you can forget that. The two last gunports are a bit too close to each other IMO, so try to make the space between gunports even.
And the anchor, if you want to, can be moved 4-5 studs from the first gunport.
Thats actually pretty much it. I wish you the best of luck whit Her. :pir-classic:

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 09:49 PM

Definately a good start.
How about 3 guns in the middle one in the back or maybe 2 but with some room between them.
You could also place the window of the stern a bit more towards the back and create some space for the gunport I stated above.
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Good luck with the ship!

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:35 PM

Looks pretty good, a bit rough and chunky though.

View PostDarth Kamil, on 07 September 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

It will have two masts, both square-rigged with a spanker on the mainmast.
That defines a brig all right, number of guns is not relevant  :pir_laugh2:
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 02:55 AM

Are u using parts from 10210??
Looks great!

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 05:59 AM

Design considerations aside, I'll attempt to offer some clarification. The term brig refers to the configuration of masts and sails. The number of guns is typically only a consideration in military terms. Two masts, square rigged, is indeed a brig. According to the British standard of the late 18th - early 19th century, any commissioned vessels under 20 guns are rated sloops, be they rigged as a cutter, schooner, bark, lugger, brig, etc. Only broad side guns, those pointing out the side, are counted  in the rating; chasers, guns pointing forward or aftward, do not factor in. On many smaller vessels the bow chasers were installed atop the focsle. In the case of small vessels like most brigs there just wasn't room enough on the gun deck and ports for the chasers would have to run through the head rails. Not only would this make it difficult for the crew to " use the facilities" but with a bow so close to the ocean's surface, the extra openings might make the vessel less water tight in high seas.

As for the gun ports, I have to agree that spacing is peculiar. I'll just quote my self from another thread that had the same issue. " The issue with the gun ports, from my perspective is not so much visual, though I do wonder what’s inspired you to place them as such. The real problem is the space in-between, with which to operate the artillery. Cannons are not fired from behind by one man, but rather a crew of as many as 6 (or more for bigger guns) standing to either side. Your most aft ward ports just look wrong as they don’t account for that necessary space between; that is with reference to the more forward ports. Because all the guns of a broad side should be the same size, or similar enough, they would require the same crew and therefore the same amount of space to operate." 

Are you using anything for reference or inspiration? 

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:13 PM

Desmond's Revenge eh? I really like that name. You just saw Assassin's Creed 3 trailer I guess then!

On topic, the ship is very good for your first attempt, my first ship didn't go very well at all.  :pir_laugh2:
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Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

Hey everybody!

Firstly, thank you guys for your help and opinions. It’s very helpful  :pir-classic:

View PostCaptain Becker, on 07 September 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Well, first of all you have a great start there. About the mistakes you wanted to know, maby it would help if you would examine and read some books from the golden age of Sailing ships and some pictures/Plans for Brigs/Ships in general.
If possible, there are some gaps in the hull, under the waterline, so if we think that the ship would set sail, it would sink as fast as Vasa did, or even faster. Thats however isnt so important, so you can forget that. The two last gunports are a bit too close to each other IMO, so try to make the space between gunports even.
And the anchor, if you want to, can be moved 4-5 studs from the first gunport.
Thats actually pretty much it. I wish you the best of luck whit Her. :pir-classic:

Captain Becker
Now, I’m using plans from the net. Moreover, I have a plastic model of the brig. But I will go to a library and I will look for some books about ships.
Yeah, I heard about Vasa  :pir_laugh2:  Now I won’t change the gaps in the hull, but I will be thinking about that. And I removed the last gunport, because you’re right. It’s too close.
And what's about the anchor - I have a totally different idea for that.
Thanks.

View PostBjornu, on 10 September 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Definately a good start.
How about 3 guns in the middle one in the back or maybe 2 but with some room between them.
You could also place the window of the stern a bit more towards the back and create some space for the gunport I stated above.
;)

Good luck with the ship!

Greetz

Bjornu
Hmm… wait the minute. That’s a great idea. I can move the last gunport (that one which is the nearest to the stern) to the middle part of broad side. Ok, I will try rebuild it. And I’m not sure about guns in the stern, because I don’t’ know how it would compose with the capitan cabin. I will check it. Thanks.

View PostSebeus I, on 10 September 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Looks pretty good, a bit rough and chunky though.

That defines a brig all right, number of guns is not relevant  :pir_laugh2:
Yeah, she’s the Big Berta  :pir-grin:
It’s because my plastic brig has proportion 3,8. And my Lego brig has 4,2. So yes, she need a diet :D
Thanks.


View Posthobbes5a, on 11 September 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Are u using parts from 10210??
Looks great!
In fact, set 10210 is my only Lego set from Pirates theme (plus one from Pirates of the Caribbean).
Thanks.


View Postkurigan, on 11 September 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

Design considerations aside, I'll attempt to offer some clarification. The term brig refers to the configuration of masts and sails. The number of guns is typically only a consideration in military terms. Two masts, square rigged, is indeed a brig. According to the British standard of the late 18th - early 19th century, any commissioned vessels under 20 guns are rated sloops, be they rigged as a cutter, schooner, bark, lugger, brig, etc. Only broad side guns, those pointing out the side, are counted  in the rating; chasers, guns pointing forward or aftward, do not factor in. On many smaller vessels the bow chasers were installed atop the focsle. In the case of small vessels like most brigs there just wasn't room enough on the gun deck and ports for the chasers would have to run through the head rails. Not only would this make it difficult for the crew to " use the facilities" but with a bow so close to the ocean's surface, the extra openings might make the vessel less water tight in high seas.

As for the gun ports, I have to agree that spacing is peculiar. I'll just quote my self from another thread that had the same issue. " The issue with the gun ports, from my perspective is not so much visual, though I do wonder what’s inspired you to place them as such. The real problem is the space in-between, with which to operate the artillery. Cannons are not fired from behind by one man, but rather a crew of as many as 6 (or more for bigger guns) standing to either side. Your most aft ward ports just look wrong as they don’t account for that necessary space between; that is with reference to the more forward ports. Because all the guns of a broad side should be the same size, or similar enough, they would require the same crew and therefore the same amount of space to operate." 

Are you using anything for reference or inspiration? 
So, that's the brig  :pir_laugh2:
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. That informations really helped me.
I have already removed guns from the focsle. Moreover, I removed the last gunport. I installed an extra gunport because I wanted to have more guns on deck, but yes, you’re right. It’s impractical and not historical.
So, now I have only eight-gun brick.
I’m using plans from the net. The all I found. There is my imagination too  :pir_laugh2:  And I have a plastic model of the brig and plans to that ship. Some pirate’s ship, "Black Falcon".
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It's from Czechoslovakia  :pir-laugh:
And, as you see, there are guns on focsle. I suggested this model.
But I don't have anything specific on my mind. I mean, it's not a replica.

View Posthalfpenguinhalflego, on 13 September 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Desmond's Revenge eh? I really like that name. You just saw Assassin's Creed 3 trailer I guess then!

On topic, the ship is very good for your first attempt, my first ship didn't go very well at all.  :pir_laugh2:
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Yeah, I like Assassin's Creed series, but in truth the origin of the name is different. Many years ago I played See Dogs. It was my first that kind of game. I loved that, and I love the game nowadays. And there were a Demsond Reymond Beltrop. He has been the ringleader of the pirates before I took over his ship and killed him. And from then, I really like the name – Desmont  :pir-devil:
Thanks.

I let you know, when I will do some progres.
Yeah, and I hope you understand me, because "my english not be good"  :pir-sweet:

Edited by Darth Kamil, 18 September 2012 - 10:02 PM.


#9 Darth Kamil

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:15 PM

Hello guys!

After... a few months ( :hmpf_bad: ) I decided to make my ship better. Every day I'm thinking about my ship. Every day I change something. First of all, I use LDD to do that.
But I have bad fillings about one thing. I fear that the broadside is too high (I guess it is!).

Here's pictures (the last four section from stern are done quickly - its' not a final version; and I know that mainmast is in a wrong place).
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And why broadside is so high? My way to tilt the broadside forces me to make it high:
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What about you, guys? Any help?
Thank you in advance for your opinions.
And I'm sorry for my bad English.

Edited by Darth Kamil, 09 September 2013 - 06:58 AM.


#10 Mister Phes

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:03 PM

I feel a song coming on...

Desmond has a barrow in the marketplace
Molly is the singer in a band
Desmond says to Molly girl I like your face
And Molly says this as she takes him by the hand

Ob la di ob la da life goes on bra
La la how the life goes on
Ob la di ob la da life goes on bra
La la how the life goes on

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:13 PM

That's certainly a nice looking ship, I love the hull design. :thumbup:

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