Excalibur: Day Three

[Fugazi]

Alright... Mr. Zachary Jones (Flipz) has decided to play dumb.

He is the person my blocker blocked, and it looks pretty damn bleak for him.

Erm, one problem with this story...I never got any word of being blocked last night.

So it's the blocker's word against Lieutenant Jones'. Being blocked on a night with no scum kill is no proof of guilt. However lying about not being blocked is something else altogether. Lt Jones, you could have said that you are a honest townie with a night action, but instead you deny having been blocked, therefore casting doubts on the blocker who claims having blocked your action. So far, there's no telling which of you is lying. However...

Zachary Jones told me a neutral cop claimed to him, who investigated me on night one as town.

That's an unusual claim. Regardless of the credibility of a neutral cop role, why would one go and claim to Lt Jones, instead of Lt Wheeler who the cop allegedly investigated? Why would both a cop and a watcher contact Lt Jones who was not cleared in any way and was scumming up the thread something fierce on day 1?

I'm just repeating the info I was given; for obvious reasons, I DON'T want to publicly out the Cop, even though he is Neutral. It makes perfect sense when there's two Scum teams; the Scum would benefeit from a Neutral cop helping them to find the rival Scum and eliminate them.

So according to you the neutral cop is a role that makes sense because it benefits the (two?) scum teams, yet you don't want to out him. Then it means that you really think that this role could also benefit town. Either the neutral cop sides with town and the balance is skewed (two town cops?), or they side with scum and they should be outed. Which one will it be, Lt Jones?

In any case, I don't think the Scum would wait until night 2 to convert somebody; what if their converter got killed or lynched before then? No, it's more likely that the Scum don't get conversions, and thus that there are two teams of Scum.

Maybe the scum have a limited number of conversions, and that they want to gather some info on the townie power roles before attempting a conversion. Anyway, arguing against conversions doesn't help your case -- if there are no conversions, the scum should have killed last night. They didn't, therefore either their target was protected, or their killer was blocked.

Oh! Shoot! I think I know what happened! Lt. Wheeler, give me a moment, I need to speak to you privately.

So, what happened?

[Scubacarrot]

So, what happened?

He said it in thread at this point. He claims he is a redirector that directed all night actions to Walters. I don't buy it. It's damn convenient claim and I rather not spend a long time explaining why it's megablocks, but I'm sure people can do that themselves at this point.

[Fugazi]

Oh, no, his blocker did indeed block someone, but they didn't block me; the action was redirected. I know this because I'm the one who did it--I'm the Redirector. Last Night, I redirected all actions from me to Commander Walters, just like Night 1 I redirected all actions from Scouty to Awesomestar. Of course, now that you've forced me to claim publicly, I'm mostly useless to you, since I'll be permablocked or killed by the Scum unless I always target myself, but there you go. That's what happened.

So you're saying that the vig actually targeted Scouty Ensign Falcon instead of Lt Wright? That's a claim that can be verified.

[Tamamono]

Yeah, and that's YOU, not me. I've been dealing with other issues outside of Eurobricks outside the ship, for once this situation isn't at the forefront of my mind. It simply never occurred to me that Wheeler would have me blocked, for the simple fact that I wasn't, and that he had no reason to.

That I can understand, as that's what's been happening with me as well.

However, it is customary when you blocked to receive a message saying that you were unable to perform your desired action. Now, the blocker claims to have blocked me night 1, but I have no night action, so I didn't get a message. However, the blocker even found out that you have an action he prevented you from using, so you surely would have gotten a message about it.

I'm just repeating the info I was given; for obvious reasons, I DON'T want to publicly out the Cop, even though he is Neutral. It makes perfect sense when there's two Scum teams; the Scum would benefeit from a Neutral cop helping them to find the rival Scum and eliminate them.

I'm not asking about how the neutral cop will benefit each scum team, I'm asking how the neutral cop can benefit himself. There is just no reason for a neutral to have an informative action, unless he's a hider. A role that has no method of winning has no place in this situation, so I refuse to believe in it.

In any case, I don't think the Scum would wait until night 2 to convert somebody; what if their converter got killed or lynched before then? No, it's more likely that the Scum don't get conversions, and thus that there are two teams of Scum.

You saying that there are no conversions just strengthens the case against you. If there was no conversion, then the lack of a kill is the work of a protector or a blocker, and the case against you is pretty good. Your best chance was to have taken a stance against Wheeler, saying she had been converted.

The Scum team would have to be HUGE in order to balance a player pool of 23 people, unless there are two teams or unless the Scum got conversions.

Nah, it'd be around 5 people, nothing too drastic.

Oh, no, his blocker did indeed block someone, but they didn't block me; the action was redirected. I know this because I'm the one who did it--I'm the Redirector. Last Night, I redirected all actions from me to Commander Walters, just like Night 1 I redirected all actions from Scouty to Awesomestar. Of course, now that you've forced me to claim publicly, I'm mostly useless to you, since I'll be permablocked or killed by the Scum unless I always target myself, but there you go. That's what happened.

Heh, that actually makes sense, if you think about it. However, the Admiral told us not to look through the pictures for clues, and I don't think he'd intentionally misdirect us.

Also, the blocker said they prevented someone from using their action. I certainly don't have an action, and the blocker can prove it from night 1. Why do you think the blocker got the message he did, hmm?

[Flipz]

If you have a defense, it might be a good idea to present it in public so we can consider it...

We must have cross-posted; see the post right above yours.

One more nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

Vote: Zachary Jones (Flipz)

OK, that's the nail in HIS coffin, then, as a Power Role I can't let myself be lynched because some crazy Neutral is afraid of Scuba. He'll never forgive me, but this is too important, especially since we now have a normal Cop (according to Scuba).

CallMePie is the Neutral Cop. He claimed to me at the end of Night 1:

Hey, Pie! I'm feeling lonely this Night, so I decided to just randomly chat with you. How are you doing? Has anyone decided to talk with you tonight? (I hope not...that would just make me feel more lonely. )

I'm doing fine, and I have been in contact with people. Spent some time thinking, and I've come to the conclusion I'm in a very powerful position.

I'm an investigator. But not just any, I'm a neutral investigator. I'd appreciate you keeping it under wraps until the doctor claims to you, in which case keep my megablocks alive. You're going to need my help if you want to get rid of the scum, so it's pretty necessary. I'm telling you only because you're likely enough for somebody to claim to. Get me protection and you have my services. Mistrust me all you like, it's not in the town's best interests to have me killed, and if the scum wins because we don't cooperate with eachother, well, screw you, I'm neutral.

If you're scum, you don't even have to tell me. Just play along and make sure I don't target your buddies. I won't even think about it.

Point is, I'm valuable either way, and I'm in it to win it not die. I'm not going to draw attention to myself, I'd prefer to stalk in the shadows without a target on my head.

That's an unusual claim. Regardless of the credibility of a neutral cop role, why would one go and claim to Lt Jones, instead of Lt Wheeler who the cop allegedly investigated? Why would both a cop and a watcher contact Lt Jones who was not cleared in any way and was scumming up the thread something fierce on day 1?

So according to you the neutral cop is a role that makes sense because it benefits the (two?) scum teams, yet you don't want to out him. Then it means that you really think that this role could also benefit town. Either the neutral cop sides with town and the balance is skewed (two town cops?), or they side with scum and they should be outed. Which one will it be, Lt Jones?

At the time, I was of the mind that Pie was our ONLY cop; my emphasis on the benefeit to Scum was demonstrating that the role itself wouldn't be unbalanced (and thus, was indeed reasonable). Since there's apparently a normal cop, though, it's not worth protecting him, especially if it comes at the expense of my life.

So you're saying that the vig actually targeted Scouty Ensign Falcon instead of Lt Wright? That's a claim that can be verified.

I can't know that for sure; the Vig could have targeted Wright and it still would have gone through. I don't see what is redirected. But I'm pretty sure that's why that switcheroo was shown for that Night. This time, since neither me nor Commander Walters died, it was unnecessary to show the switch.

Heh, that actually makes sense, if you think about it. However, the Admiral told us not to look through the pictures for clues, and I don't think he'd intentionally misdirect us.

Also, the blocker said they prevented someone from using their action. I certainly don't have an action, and the blocker can prove it from night 1. Why do you think the blocker got the message he did, hmm?

It's simple: the kill switches between the different Scum team members. Night 1, you didn't perform any action, because you weren't the chosen killer. Last Night, thinking you wouldn't be blocked twice in a row, you decided to take up the kill, and then our Blocker's block got redirected to you.

That's not the only possibility, of course (our doctor may have made a smart decision that saved someone's life), but it's the one that comes to my mind, given the information I have available to me.

[Scubacarrot]

This is all ducked up as hell. It would explain the weird picture, but at the same time Admiral told us not to look for clues in pictures... If you turn out Town and the picture actually meant something, it won't be good. This Neutral Cop business.... I really just want to go and strangle some kittens.

[Fugazi]

It's simple: the kill switches between the different Scum team members. Night 1, you didn't perform any action, because you weren't the chosen killer. Last Night, thinking you wouldn't be blocked twice in a row, you decided to take up the kill, and then our Blocker's block got redirected to you.

The Admiral wouldn't have shown Ensign Falcon if he meant it as a clue and the vig hadn't targeted him specifically. So the vig knows if you're telling the truth.

[Tamamono]

CallMePie is the Neutral Cop. He claimed to me at the end of Night 1:

It's simple: the kill switches between the different Scum team members. Night 1, you didn't perform any action, because you weren't the chosen killer. Last Night, thinking you wouldn't be blocked twice in a row, you decided to take up the kill, and then our Blocker's block got redirected to you.

That's not the only possibility, of course (our doctor may have made a smart decision that saved someone's life), but it's the one that comes to my mind, given the information I have available to me.

Oh wow, you're legitimately still continuing your campaign on me. I thought you would have been smart enough to not do that as scum. Heh.

Once again, if you have to bend the bonds of reality to make someone fit as scum, they're not scum.

[Fugazi]

Last Night, thinking you wouldn't be blocked twice in a row, you decided to take up the kill, and then our Blocker's block got redirected to you.

Not having an action (on Night 1), Officer Walters couldn't know that he was blocked and as a result take the kill on night 2.

[Flipz]

Oh wow, you're legitimately still continuing your campaign on me. I thought you would have been smart enough to not do that as scum. Heh.

Once again, if you have to bend the bonds of reality to make someone fit as scum, they're not scum.

I'm not bending anything, it fits with what we know. I even acknowledged that there are other possibilities, though; for all I know, the Scum decided to kill you, but a doctor got redirected from me to you, saving your life. I just don't know, I was simply pointing out the possibility that came to mind first.

Not having an action (on Night 1), Officer Walters couldn't know that he was blocked and as a result take the kill on night 2.

There are other ways he could have learned this, from private conversations and the like.

[Tamamono]

I'm not bending anything, it fits with what we know. I even acknowledged that there are other possibilities, though; for all I know, the Scum decided to kill you, but a doctor got redirected from me to you, saving your life. I just don't know, I was simply pointing out the possibility that came to mind first.

Why do I have a feeling that's what happened?

There are other ways he could have learned this, from private conversations and the like.

No, there's not. You can literally ask everyone here, I wasn't told about the block until Wheeler told me this morning.

Man, I'm still having trouble buying your story, but it actually does kind of fit. However, if it's true, we don't know who was blocked, and now we're up a creek without a paddle.

[CMP]

So...I was typing up my response when I realized how insulting it was. Now I'm not exactly sure how to get my point across, though.

[Fugazi]

Man, I'm still having trouble buying your story, but it actually does kind of fit. However, if it's true, we don't know who was blocked, and now we're up a creek without a paddle.

Um, actually if the story fits then you have been blocked. Again. Would you like to talk about it?

[Tamamono]

So...I was typing up my response when I realized how insulting it was. Now I'm not exactly sure how to get my point across, though.

Just post it and cut out all the offensive stuff. It doesn't have to be coherent.

[Scubacarrot]

Ok. Here is my problem with your story, Jones. The blocker said he got Feedback that said he succesfully stopped you from using your action. Now, say the block got redirected, to Walters, to be exact. It does not match up, because on night 1, it was exactly Walters that was blocked, and that time it was said that no night action was attempted.

So, if your story is true, and my story is true, there is really only one possibility: Walters attempted an action night 2, but he did not on night 1. Him claiming he has no action, makes him very much scum.

Until then, I want to hear what Holloway has to say...

Why could you not just pull a Windu?

[Brickdoctor]

Man, I'm still having trouble buying your story, but it actually does kind of fit. However, if it's true, we don't know who was blocked, and now we're up a creek without a paddle.

I think it fits too well. It seems too convenient to me. I still don't see any reason not to lynch Jones, though. This is a similar situation to an investigation result that turns up Scum. The suspect can claim that a number of things happened to wrongly implicate him (framing, being a Miller, the Cop being Paranoid or Insane, etc... and, yes, redirecting), but the general rule is that you still test the result by lynching the suspect.

[fhomess]

Um, actually if the story fits then you have been blocked. Again. Would you like to talk about it?

Yes, if the story fits, then I think Commander Walters jumps to the top of the suspect list.

That said...

Just post it and cut out all the offensive stuff. It doesn't have to be coherent.

I really want to hear this, too, Ensign Holloway.

[Flipz]

I think it fits too well. It seems too convenient to me. I still don't see any reason not to lynch Jones, though. This is a similar situation to an investigation result that turns up Scum. The suspect can claim that a number of things happened to wrongly implicate him (framing, being a Miller, the Cop being Paranoid or Insane, etc... and, yes, redirecting), but the general rule is that you still test the result by lynching the suspect.

You only do that when you're not going after a Power Role, though. Granted, for safety purposes, I'm going to have to self-target for the rest of the time we're here, limiting my options and making me a little less useful than I could have been, but it's still more than we'll have available to us if I'm dead.

[Tamamono]

Um, actually if the story fits then you have been blocked. Again. Would you like to talk about it?

I got no message on night 1 and no message last night, so, unless I have an action I don't know about that only works on even nights, there's nothing to talk about.

Honestly though, we should save the 'talking' for if Jones flips town. If he's scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well.

[Flipz]

Why could you not just pull a Windu?

Because I'm not Scum.

[CMP]

Gonna try to bulletpoint it.

• Yeah, I'm a neutral cop.
  
• Thought only Jones would actually believe me.
  
• Investigated Wheeler because at that point she was my only contact and I wanted to be able to trust her.
  
• Ended up getting caught up with Jones' ideas, the most me and Wheeler shared were early suspicions, sorta lost contact.
  
• Even though I asked him not to tell anyone, Jones told Wheeler she'd been investigated by a neutral cop, which she didn't believe, obviously...
  
• Jones made a big deal over a small clue at the end of Day Two, and made me switch my target, which I found slightly odd.
  
• Jones gets put under heat due to the block, tells me over and over it's my fault, I apologize, and then he reveals me in public.
  

I obviously haven't made the smartest choices, all starting with apparently claiming to a scum. It's unlikely I'll survive until tomorrow, but I at least want to get this idiot off the ship.

[Scubacarrot]

I got no message on night 1 and no message last night, so, unless I have an action I don't know about that only works on even nights, there's nothing to talk about.

Honestly though, we should save the 'talking' for if Jones flips town. If he's scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well.

Thinking it over. I think it's the best course of action, yeah, my vote is staying where it is. He himself has just said he is going to be useless from now on because he is going to forced to self target anyway.

[Flipz]

I got no message on night 1 and no message last night, so, unless I have an action I don't know about that only works on even nights, there's nothing to talk about.

Honestly though, we should save the 'talking' for if Jones flips town. If he's scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well.

And conversely, if you're Scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well. Why should we lynch a Town Power Role when the other possibility for Scum is a claimed Vanilla? Losing a Vanilla would be less harmful to us than losing a Power Role.

Also, just to let you all know, I'm going to be out for a few hours, taking a family member to a medical appointment.

[CMP]

And conversely, if you're Scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well. Why should we lynch a Town Power Role when the other possibility for Scum is a claimed Vanilla? Losing a Vanilla would be less harmful to us than losing a Power Role.

I still find it an astoundingly convenient claim, personally.

[Tamamono]

And conversely, if you're Scum, I'm confirmed to not be scum as well. Why should we lynch a Town Power Role when the other possibility for Scum is a claimed Vanilla? Losing a Vanilla would be less harmful to us than losing a Power Role.

Well aren't you slippery.

Like Wheeler said, you're not of any use anymore, so you're as good as vanilla from now on. Also, I hate to say it, but if you're town, we might actually be better off without you - we don't want you outing any more PRs.

But you're not town, so I don't have to say it. What I do have to say is that I'm incredibly impressed with your scum play! Awesome job, Jones!