2013 Train Sets
Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:38 PM
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:06 PM
Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:36 PM
In my experience people such as elderly relatives will not even think of buying LEGO as a gift, they would much rather give me a shirt that is two sizes to small, or some crappy soap that i am never going to use.Even though they know full well what i like they will not buy it!! It is very infuriating indeed, I have often said I want money as I am saving to buy X or Y. Then when the time comes I get a woolly jumper! Hideous!!
But in all seriousness, I don't think things are that bad, we have access to bits ourselves which we can buy on-line easily. Not only that, I don't know about anyone else, but if LEGO brought out say a dozen train sets or creator trains even, every year would we have enough funds to buy them all? I am pretty sure I would not, certainly not at the rate of £60-£70 a train and another £30-£40 to get it running!!
Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:46 PM
what I really appreciate is the passion and dedication you are putting into this discussion. There are a lot of good points in both of your replies. As far as I am concerned both of you are right. I also believe that the folks at TLG have made their homework. Well, homework sometimes should go directly into the trash - at least with my students that is. And yes, that we should build our very own models, since this is what LEGO is all about. And that the internet is a reality - even a lot of grand parents have figured it out. Bley, ditching 9V trains, making train noses that resemble Playmobile rather than LEGO parts ... they not only survived but they are doing well right now.
One thing that is always important to me: TLG folks are just that: Folks running a high powered company. Sometimes I have the feeling, they function like any other large company that somewhat lifted off the ground: Super smart financial power players from Denmark at the top, ingenious builders dwelling somewhere, and then all the people making it happen. But they are not necessarily logically responding to our very own observations and wishes - the folks at the top apparently see the big picture, which is apparently much more complicated then we all believe. I doubt that. It is just the pieces of information they have that we don't have. Or at least I don't have. Don't know about you guys, I am to no extent in any reliable information loop if there is any.
Again: From a purely logical standpoint I can easily follow almost every of your arguments. Provided the numbers we are all speculating about would not be just that: Speculations. At this point the discussion may always take sharp turns; provided this is right then that is wrong etc. TLG wisely hides this critical information; too much competition and blah blah.
One thing though is certainly true: They are the Gods of LEGO bricks, yes, but that really is all. Everything else is pretty much business ground work. And of course some lucky or unlucky decisions - we have seem them all, including bringing TLG to the verge of going out of business ...
I enjoyed your discussion very much! I learned a lot form both of you. This is another good reason to be a proud member of the Eurobricks community.
Thanks a lot and best regards,
Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:08 AM
Edited by Kaila, 30 October 2012 - 07:09 AM.
Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:05 AM
Yeah lol guess we do Funny thing for me is I picked that moster train set up locally thanks to a stocking error for only $59 Au.. posted about it on our local forum and heaps of people then bought it for the same price and started running 9v conversions
Edited by Kaila, 31 October 2012 - 07:05 AM.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:33 AM
And, I'm actually thinking of using it as a "template" for enlargement to 10-wide (my preferred scale to design in, it's 1 stud = 1' and roughly the right scale to have a minifig-compatible 'scale' model), with an eye toward if I can ever find enough data on it recreating the 1893 Empire State Express that made New York Central & Hudson River Railroad engineer Charlie Hogan the Chuck Yeager of his day, the first man to break 100 miles per hour. The locomotive itself, NYC&HR 999, still exists today and is on display at Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago, but has considerably changed from its configuration that day--the original 86" drive wheels were replaced with 79's when downgraded into commuter service, and the connecting rods that once ran from piston to main-rod have been disconnected if not outright removed and scrapped. The real barrier to modeling is the train behind, and the utter lack of information about passenger cars of all types, not just coaches but parlors, diners et cetera, from that time--right up to the end of private passenger rail it was rare that any two railroads ever ordered cars to an exactly identical design, closest to it being the Pullman 4140 10-roomette/6-double bedroom sleeper and its stainless-steel Edward G. Budd-built counterparts, and I would expect that back in the 1800s it was even WORSE without assembly-line techniques, possibly even to no two individual CARS in the same TRAIN being built identically.
Whoa, Holy Data Vomit, Batman! LOL
Edited by Diamondback, 02 November 2012 - 08:42 AM.
Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:41 PM
I would like the PF components to get as far as possible away from the trains! I would like 9V reintroduced along with the 12V accessories (ofcourse converted to 9V).
I second that.
Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:16 AM
Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:30 AM
Edited by Phoxtane, 04 November 2012 - 12:30 AM.
Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:31 AM
Easy: Because that system was superior to everything else coming about.
(I know, I know, don't beat me up, it is simply like that - Money money money, always funny, in a rich men's world ...)
Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:51 AM
I'll politely disagree. I think that the PF system has its own challenges - namely, how to add a battery box without making it obvious you've done so - but it's got advantages over the 9v system as well.
For example, you can run multiple trains in different directions on the same loop or section of rail, and you don't get current drop-off in far sections of the track. The track is cheaper to make for Lego, and you don't have to worry about the rails oxidising over the years. The new drive wheels can be mounted to more things than the train wheels, like custom drive units for locomotives that require a bit more torque.
What's most important in my eyes is that Lego doesn't make the 9v train stuff anymore. You can buy brand-new PF train equipment relatively cheaply - If you want a new 9v motor, you'll have to shell out 65 USD for a new one!
Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:10 AM
Shoot, I saw this one coming ... but you are right of course! There are many, many up and downsides of PF and they have been amply discussed. What you said is entirely true. The only thing is that IF 9V would not have been discontinued then you would not have to pay +60€/$ for a 9V motor; track in these days was also reasonably priced, and so on. But it has been and so this is all history.
I can very well live with the PF stuff as well. Actually I really like it. But as an add-on rather than a replacement. Recently baught some 9V straights in perfect condition for €2.30 a piece ...
Posted 04 November 2012 - 01:59 PM
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:32 PM
Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:35 PM
Edited by Steinkopf, 05 November 2012 - 01:37 PM.
Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:51 PM
That is an awesome idea. But I do wonder if that much space could have been removed and still fit the batteries in.
Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:07 PM
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:58 AM
I argued almost the same point when the rechargeable box came out (though I had not thought about narrowing the box by one plate width). I would still like to see studs on the side. Even if they can't make the box any smaller, it would be fantastic if lego produced a second mold for the AAA box that had studs on the side. Alternatively, they could inset a full plate at the bottom and add two rows of studs there. Then one could cover these two rows with tiles or plates depending on whether you wanted studs or not. You would still be a little constrained to snotting tiles vertically, but it would be a lot more versatile than the current box (just look at the huge tiles on the Maersk engine). Though I think we could replicate that effect now by pitching the box itself and just using the AAA top.
Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:41 AM
Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:12 AM
The issue is how do you conceal the quite bulky cable from the B-unit to the cab?
Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:47 AM
Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:59 AM
Can you find the rechargeable battery box?
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