I don't know how much there is to learn about this, but here goes:
PS: If you don't want to bother reading through it all, then the only power role talk is at the end, but that is minimal at best. I still don't see how this will help us any, because, obviously, if I did claim a power role to her, I just wouldn't include that PM, but...
Palathadric, on 09 May 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:
Interesting post you made there. A lot of people have a problem with those kinds of posts, but I find it very informative, especially as I have never considered Ssiht particularly scummy looking, but another of my contacts had also told me similar things to what you said about Ssiht. This leads me to believe that you guys really may be onto something. Who else do you have as suspects. For me it just seems like the more obvious for now: Seosty, Moudama, and Windu.
fhomess, on 09 May 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:
This is the thing, I only posted about Ssiht because someone else had confirmed to me that they had problems with him. I had mentioned my issue with Ssiht to this other player without indicating who it was that I was suspicous about. They later came back and said, "It's not Ssiht is it?", at which point I decided to watch a bit longer and then post.
I don't think Seosty or Moudama are likely scum because they voted first. I actually think Seosty voted first out of enthusiasm or brain fart. Usually, scum don't like to cast the very first vote. That said, I don't really have any reason to trust Seosty, either.
Windu needs to speak up. He's been suspicious, too.
Ultimately, I don't have a problem with any of those as our lynch candidate for today, but don't feel as strongly about them, either. Ssiht really came across as trying to buddy up to me without good reason, so I'm more inclined to vote for him. I don't think he'll post for another 7 or 8 hours, though.
With just one vote, I don't think I'll cast it until closer to the deadline and people have had time to banter back and forth more.
Palathadric, on 09 May 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:
Okay, now I have to go through my list of PMs to see who it was that told me these things regard Ssiht. I agree with you that Seosty and Moudama voted first, but they could also have been doing that as scum to make it look like they weren't scum. There was already a "bandwagon" although no one had actually voted, against Ahsoka, so they could have jumped on it while starting at the same time. For me though, Moudama really seemed suspicious when she "realized her mistake," but we will see.
Ah, I found it now, it was actually Aayla who was claiming that Ssiht was suspicious.
fhomess, on 09 May 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:
I agree on Moudama's "oh what a mistake!" post. Sketchy at best. Like I said, I have no problem with him(?) as the lynch today, but I'm not confident in it.
Was Aayla basing that suspicion on in-thread stuff or in-private stuff? Aayla can be a bit quick to judgement sometimes, but wasn't the person I had been in touch with, so that bears a little more scrutiny.
Palathadric, on 09 May 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:
I think both, but honestly it wasn't too clear. She's not online right now, but I'm sure it'll become clearer when she does get online. I'm off to meditate myself. Thank you, R2D2. You are the droid I was looking for.
Palathadric, on 14 May 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:
Well, it seems that your feel on Ssiht could very well have been correct. I guess we'll see what the result turns up after the lynch...if he is indeed lynched, but I don't see why he wouldn't be.
fhomess, on 14 May 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:
Yes, I wonder if my accusastions yesterday caused our investigator friend to become suspicious and decide that Hugar would be a good target. We'll see.
Don't worry too much about Tammo and Flipz and Brickdoctor. I know town got burned in Bedtime Story by CK, but most of the time, the most vocal people who are leading the day threads end up being town. The campaign that those three are leading, and it's really more Tammo and Flipz, is pretty hard to maintain successfully over the course of a game if you're scum. It's certainly possible that there's a key scum player among them, but the rest of us need to trust their lead until it proves untrustworthy. Scum love a divided town. It's highly unlikely all of them are scum. If you don't trust them, don't tell them your role or too much information, but at some point you have to take a risk. Day 2 isn't necessarily that point in time.
Palathadric, on 14 May 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:
I guess I may just need to bite my tongue and say "Uncle" to them.
Ah, well, if they want to lead, let them lead. They are doing a good job of it for now, I'd say.
fhomess, on 18 May 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:
So much for them leading us in an unfailing way! At least Flipz was on the up-and-up. Now we have to figure out who between Tammo and BD are legit. Did any of them tell you anything that might help you identify them? Tammo sent me a note on Day 2 that confirmed some of what was in his play as it relates to Hugar, but nothing about BD. Any chance that they're both ok and Tammo's just wrong about BD? I'm having a hard time seeing that neither of them is scum, but I suppose it's possible.
Palathadric, on 18 May 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:
I have only had the shortest of conversations with C-3PO. Here it is:
palathadric, on 14 May 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:
I was just wondering, what do you think of Coryn and Corobb's desire to have the role powers contact them? Is this actually something to be suspicious of, or is it perfectly natural? Are you quite certain that they can be trusted?
Brickdoctor, on 14 May 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:
I'm not certain that they can be trusted, but my read on them is as Townie as any read is going to get for me, and I doubt that I'm going to get anywhere by being paranoid about it.
I think that some players are just the type that are good at analyzing claims and organizing actions. Obviously, if a PR claims to them, that PR either has some kind of Town read on them or is so naive or gullible that I wouldn't trust him not to give his role out to anyone, and I think that Tammo and Flipz realize that.
palathadric, on 14 May 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:
Okay...if you think so.
It doesn't seem to say a lot. I don't know about who we should lynch today, but I do think Master Monn should die at some point, possibly today if no new information comes out regarding C-3PO and Coryn, although I'm sure at least some will.
Palathadric, on 18 May 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:
If either C-3PO or Coryn are a Sith, I think it would probably be C-3PO.
fhomess, on 18 May 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:
It's possible that Coryn and 3PO are both Sith, but it's highly unlikely. It wouldn't make any sense for Coryn to bus 3PO at this point, having already lost 2 teammates, if that were the case. I lean towards Coryn being town. He hasn't done anything to this point to suggest he's Sith, so if he's not town, he's doing a good job of meeting his win condition by helping town. As for 3PO, my theory on him is that he's either town or was converted on night 1 to Sith. I don't think his behavior in public and private to me on day 1 suggest anything but pro-town. He and I had no contact on day 2, though, which now looks suspicious to me.
As for Monn, I think he's highly suspicious but only minimally dangerous. He's not coming off as townie at all, which suggests to me that if he is anti-town, he's not hiding it well. I'd rather go after someone like BD first if he looks scummy enough to see what we can learn and potentially remove a divisive figure from the game. Division aids scum.
Palathadric, on 19 May 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:
Ah, thanks! Yes, I said, I am leaning more towards Coryn being town rather than C-3PO, although I do still wonder if they both are town, but were setup by the Sith somehow.
I'm in communication with Coryn and C-3PO and they both seem convinced that the other has to be scum, so...it seems doubtful that they are both townies.
I'm still not convinced about this "Sherlock" though.
fhomess, on 22 May 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:
So... I'm now convinced that Coryn is scum. What do you think?
Palathadric, on 22 May 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:
I'll post what I think in the day thread. I'm really confused now because I just was beginning to really trust Coryn, but now all my trust is pretty much blown away. Oddly, Master Offee sent me a PM similar to this. He hasn't been in contact with me before, I just found it odd, you know.
Scorpiox, on 22 May 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:
Hello there Master Kenobi.
Do you believe Coryn in that he 'accidently' slipped Sherlock's identity to C-3PO? I was just wondering what you stance is, so that we can work out where to go from here.
fhomess, on 23 May 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:
Sorry, I thought I had responded to this awhile ago. Anyway, I don't have any read whatsoever on Barriss. Could be that he's just trying to find a way to get a better read on you and figured that this was a decent enough conversation starter. In general, it's easier to start conversations about other people than to directly ask someone something. That usually looks more suspicious, unless you're outright accusing them right away. I've done that in the past, too.
After a fair amount of conversation around Coryn today, I'm thinking he's worth the benefit of the doubt. I have a pretty detailed case against him I went through, and it ultimately falls down to a fairly daring gambit at the end (telling us all that Sherlock and Zane both died last night). I'm not prepared to lynch him over a risky play like that at this point given that he has appeared so pro-town until today. Do you think that makes sense?
You seem to be looking a bit in a different direction than the thread current of Euna. Are you just pursuing other leads, or do you have night action results that might lead you to think Euna is on town's side?
Palathadric, on 24 May 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:
Prying for information, are you? No, I'm have no night action (don't kill me!
I do think Euna is the "one to lynch" for today, but I guess I am trying to explore other possibilities so that we will have something to go entering tomorrow.
I also think it's worth giving Coryn the benefit of the doubt. If he can continue rustling up scum for us, that's great!
If he becomes useless, then we can lynch him.
fhomess, on 24 May 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:
I've spoken to some people today and the consensus is that we have enough of a core to catch Tammo if there's anything to catch. I also think that narrowing down the remaining scum is just a matter of time. So hopefully people are being honest with me and we're in good shape!
Palathadric, on 24 May 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:
Yep, lead the way, R2D2. I still don't know how you manage to communicate with us without C-3PO there to translate, but I guess it must work somehow.
I think Coryn is a bit nervous because he knows that his place as the leader of the town, or whatever you want to call it, could bring him to his end if he makes some wrong suspicions, I think the pressure is good on him though, and I really, really hope we get a scum today whether it's Euna or someone else.
fhomess, on 24 May 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:
Hopefully, Coryn will share enough of what he knows with the people he trusts so that we can continue on if he dies.
Palathadric, on 24 May 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:
Yes. I hope he is trusting someone somewhere with whatever information he has, because otherwise it would be pretty bad. If Euna turns up scum then I could imagine the scum would kill of Coryn, but if Euna turns up town, then they may leave Coryn to excite us into lynching him.
I should vote now.