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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:58 PM

Jedi Temple Mafia - Day Four
Murder In The Dark



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Saesee and Quinlan are having a chat in Saesee's room.

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When two dark figures enter with guns.


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"Oh crap."  They say.

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Neither of the figures answer.  They just blow holes in their heads.

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Yoda enters the room to give his daily report.


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"Unable I was, to find out the droids affiliation."  Someone in the crowd gasps.

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"And found two dead Jedi we have, Quinlan Vos and Saesee Tiin, both we loyal Jedi."

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Posted Image Ithra Srryn - Macoco

Posted Image Ili Seosty - Sisco

Posted Image Foul Moudama - Kadabra

Posted Image Euna Iladru - Jedi master Brick

Posted Image Voolvif Monn - JackJonespaw

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Posted Image Plo Koon - TheBoyWonder

Posted Image Kit Fisto - ADHO15

Posted Image Shaak Ti - Flare

Posted Image Luminara Unduli - Peanuts

Posted Image Ahsoka Tano - MacK

Posted Image Aayla Secura - Darth Nihilus

Posted Image Ki-Adi Mundi - Dannylonglegs

Posted Image Nahdar Vebb - Scubacarrot

Posted Image Obi-Wan Kenobi - Palathadric



The Dead:

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Posted ImagePosted Image Eeth Koth (Alex the Great) - Killed Night 1 Jedi

Posted ImagePosted Image  Hugar Ssiht (badboytje88) Lynched Day 2 Sith

Posted ImagePosted Image Roron Corobb (Flipz) - Killed Night 2 Jedi

Posted ImagePosted Image Anakin Skywalker (Swils) - Killed Night 2 Jedi

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Posted ImagePosted Image Saesee Tiin (Zakura) - Killed Night 3 Jedi

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1. Each player will be given a character to play, who will be aligned with either the Jedi or the Sith. To win the game, the Jedi must kill off all the Sith, while the Sith need to outnumber the Jedi. Third-Party (neutral) characters have their own win conditions as outlined in their roles.  Proxy votes are allowed if done in this format: Proxy: Character (Player).
2. Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player. Voting should be done in the following format; Vote: Character (Player).  You don't get to unvote your vote, you only get one shot. No other format will be accepted. The player with the most votes will be lynched. In the case of a tie, the first to achieve their vote will be lynched. Voting is mandatory. Failure to vote will incur a vote penalty the following game day.
3. A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end when a majority vote has been reached. After the day has concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host in the first 24 hours of the night stage.
4. The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night, will be revealed at the beginning of the next day.
5. You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to you by the game host via PM. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage.
6. Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game.
7. If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on.
8. You may not edit your posts.
9. You must post in every day thread.
10. If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the host via PM.
11. Violation of the above rules will result in a 5 vote penalty against you on your first offense, and the death of your character on your second offense.


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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:09 PM

So no reveal for C3PO's affiliation? The scum must have a janitor... They would not janitor him of he was town.  A few were defending the droid yesterday. We should look at them.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:19 PM

View PostTheBoyWonder, on 22 May 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

So no reveal for C3PO's affiliation? The scum must have a janitor... They would not janitor him of he was town.  A few were defending the droid yesterday. We should look at them.

I think you forgot to include Coryn on your suspect list. Since we don’t actually know C-3PO’s affiliation we cannot rule out the possibility that this is one huge scum plot.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:20 PM

That is a fair point,  Padawan Tano.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:21 PM

Well, that's odd, isn't it? I would understand if the scum would take down Quilan. It could be that they were trying to frame Euna, but from the holographic images, it appeared as if the scum took down Saesee. I'm actually not too surprised the C-3PO turned up neutral, or so it seems. He is a robot after all. :shrug_oh_well: The serial killer really seems to be making his business to knock down the quieter sort. Still, I don't really understand why the scum would kill either of those two. Well, anyway, two more jedi down, and one neutral or something. Still it's not bad figures.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

Master Obi Wan, we don't know the droids affiliation. He could be town or scum.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:07 PM

Hmmm, the scene seems to show that Quinland Vos and Master Tiin were lovers, or something along those lines, anyway, they were connected, it would seem. Looks like a blocker managed to block the droid with the vibroblade, the assumed serial killer, or it's target got protected, of course...

That the scum decided to Janitor C-3PO, tells me two things. 1: Coryn is probably safe, (sure you can figure the logic for that out yourself), and C-3PO was probably scum, would they waste the action otherwise? We can't tell for sure, but yeah...

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:10 PM

I hate to say it Vebb, but look in the second picture. A commando droid.
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:15 PM

Wow, ok, you are right. Way to make it unseeable :hmpf:.

Ok, You can forget what I said about lovers :blush: Unthinkable, of course, in the jedi temple!

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:30 PM

View PostScubacarrot, on 22 May 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hmmm, the scene seems to show that Quinland Vos and Master Tiin were lovers, or something along those lines, anyway, they were connected, it would seem. Looks like a blocker managed to block the droid with the vibroblade, the assumed serial killer, or it's target got protected, of course...

That the scum decided to Janitor C-3PO, tells me two things. 1: Coryn is probably safe, (sure you can figure the logic for that out yourself), and C-3PO was probably scum, would they waste the action otherwise? We can't tell for sure, but yeah...
I don't know about the lovers or the Sk being blocked. After all, the Droid seems to be the same, just with another weapon. Which is strange.
The assumed scum killer apparently has killed Quinlan, while it appears the other killer has killed Master Tiin. I understand why the SK would kill Tiin, as he was pretty much useless so far. But why kill Quinlan? The only reason for the scum to kill him I imagine would be if he had had a night action. Which would make one wonder, why they knew. Has anyone been told by him or anyone else about his night action?

About the MO of the droid, I wonder, why it has changed? One reason I could imagine would be, that the Sk has been cured and is now a vigilante. But I am sure we would have known about that, so that's very unlikely. Another reason would be, that the scum killer has died/the scum have a shared kill and there's another person executing the kill now. Which would mean, that the Droid is a scum killer, which makes next to no sence regarding his targets so far. Or, maybe, that the SK has been converted to the scum, which would explain why they're working together. Or that the MO is meaningless and this is done only to add symmetry by the host.

And about the two deaths tonight, I think it might have been worse. Sure, we lost two Jedi, but let's be honest, these were both potential suspects of me. I'm still suspicious of Monn and Euna, as well as Ili. Unless something comes up, I'd be more than willing to lynch one of them. Especially Monn has been around for far too long now. :hmpf_bad:

Oh, yeah, I forgot: It makes sence to janitor C-3PO. If he was scum, Coryn would have been cleared. If he was Town, Coryn would get lynched today. That's one of the main reasons I was voting for him, to get clarity. It's a smart move of the scum to use their role on 3PO.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:31 PM

Damn it! :wall: Master Vos was Sherlock! :ugh: I honestly have no idea how the megabluck they could have possibly found him so easily. :wall: megabluck!

Not to mention the fact that the scum apparently janitored 3PO. :wall: This is definitely not a good start to the day. :hmpf:

View PostMacK, on 22 May 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I think you forgot to include Coryn on your suspect list. Since we don’t actually know C-3PO’s affiliation we cannot rule out the possibility that this is one huge scum plot.

Yes, I understand that since 3PO's affiliation has yet to be revealed, I'll probably be under scrutiny today. :sceptic:

View Postpalathadric, on 22 May 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Well, that's odd, isn't it? I would understand if the scum would take down Quilan. It could be that they were trying to frame Euna, but from the holographic images, it appeared as if the scum took down Saesee. I'm actually not too surprised the C-3PO turned up neutral, or so it seems. He is a robot after all. :shrug_oh_well:

You're not making any sense. :wacko: If they wanted to frame Euna, why would they do it with a night kill? I mean, really, why would Euna kill the person she FoS'd most? :hmpf:

Secondly, neutrals don't turn up 'Unknown'. They turn up 'Neutral'. I think it's quite obvious that 3PO was janitored last night. :wall:

As for why they killed Quinlan, I can't see it being dumb luck. He was the kind of guy we'd normally have lynched because of his inactivity, so there's no reason for them to take him down unless they knew his action.

Here are the possibilities I see:

1. The scum have a role cop who just happened to find Sherlock early on
2. 3PO was scum, and somehow he knew who Sherlock is
3. Sherlock apparently lied to me about telling someone else about his action, he told a scum, and that scum killed him

View PostScubacarrot, on 22 May 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

That the scum decided to Janitor C-3PO, tells me two things. 1: Coryn is probably safe, (sure you can figure the logic for that out yourself), and C-3PO was probably scum, would they waste the action otherwise? We can't tell for sure, but yeah...

Jedi Vebb makes a good point. Why would they janitor a townie? :wacko: I still firmly believe that 3PO was scum, but the lack of a reveal makes things less concrete, which will make today's lynch difficult.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:34 PM

View PostPeanuts, on 22 May 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

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I think you might be reading too much into it, if a curing or conversion had taken place, I think something other than a change of weapon would be visible, I don't know.

Euna is a target to look at, she was basically defending C-3PO the whole time, and suddenly switched and voted for him when it was long and clear there was nothing to be done about it.

Have nothing against the other two for a lynch as well, although I think Ili is just an incredibly useless townie, don't think a scum team would allow a fellow scum to contribute so little to the day thread. Monn has done nothing to relieve himself of my suspicion from yesterday...

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostTheBoyWonder, on 22 May 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

So no reveal for C3PO's affiliation? The scum must have a janitor... They would not janitor him of he was town.  A few were defending the droid yesterday. We should look at them.
Good call on that janitor bit :thumbup: Either that or he was the mafia boss and even after death his affiliation can't be divined. This makes me doubt the conversion theory more, and makes it seem more likely that the blocker/protector was accurate night one. However, if C-3PO was townie, and the janitor hid his alignment, it could either mean two different things.
A. Coryn is scum, and wants to appear as if he helped us lynch another scum yesterday by hiding the true alignment of C-3PO.
B. Coryn is a true Townie, and the scum want to make it look like A is true to make us all trust him less, therefor contributing to the downfall of our organized attack against the scum.

I'll bet it's the latter (B), because to me it seems more reasonable. He has the names of at-least two townie night-actiony types (Sherlock, and whatever he called the blocker), so unless these people start dying, I see no reason to mis-trust him yet.

About the Janitor thing: If it's true, I certainly hope it's a one shot, because it's bloody annoying!

View PostScubacarrot, on 22 May 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Hmmm, the scene seems to show that Quinland Vos and Master Tiin were lovers, or something along those lines, anyway, they were connected, it would seem. Looks like a blocker managed to block the droid with the vibroblade, the assumed serial killer, or it's target got protected, of course...

That the scum decided to Janitor C-3PO, tells me two things. 1: Coryn is probably safe, (sure you can figure the logic for that out yourself), and C-3PO was probably scum, would they waste the action otherwise? We can't tell for sure, but yeah...
:wacko: I think you're confused. I don't think they're lovers. They do seem to be conferring, perhaps one was blocking/investigating the other? I believe the reason you thought they were lovers is because you failed to see Mr. Commando kill the other bloke with a gun (Is that a hint as to changed alignment? Could the shrink have successfully turned him into a vig?) so I'll give you a pass on this really confusing and confused post. You're usually pretty logical.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:38 PM

Now hold on, Vos was Sherlock, does that mean Tiin was Zane?

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:wacko: I think you're confused. I don't think they're lovers. They do seem to be conferring, perhaps one was blocking/investigating the other? I believe the reason you thought they were lovers is because you failed to see Mr. Commando kill the other bloke with a gun (Is that a hint as to changed alignment? Could the shrink have successfully turned him into a vig?) so I'll give you a pass on this really confusing and confused post. You're usually pretty logical.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:43 PM

Oh my God, I feel like such an idiot. :wall: :wall: :wall: I accidentally told 3PO who Sherlock was. :ugh:

Master Corobb and I had been openly talking about him in my room, but when we went to his room to talk with 3PO as well, I completely forgot to use Vos' code name. :wall:

Tamamono, on 14 May 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

However, I really do think still think you and Doc are town, I just can't get around it. :sceptic: I don't know, if it's any of us, it's most likely to be Doc. I guess we could have Vol investigate him tonight to be sure, but Nightshroud did say he was the Godfather.

View PostScubacarrot, on 22 May 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Now hold on, Vos was Sherlock, does that mean Tiin was Zane?

Yes, Tiin was Zane.

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View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Damn it! :wall: Master Vos was Sherlock! :ugh: I honestly have no idea how the megabluck they could have possibly found him so easily. :wall: megabluck!

Not to mention the fact that the scum apparently janitored 3PO. :wall: This is definitely not a good start to the day. :hmpf:

Yes, I understand that since 3PO's affiliation has yet to be revealed, I'll probably be under scrutiny today. :sceptic:

You're not making any sense. :wacko: If they wanted to frame Euna, why would they do it with a night kill? I mean, really, why would Euna kill the person she FoS'd most? :hmpf:

Secondly, neutrals don't turn up 'Unknown'. They turn up 'Neutral'. I think it's quite obvious that 3PO was janitored last night. :wall:

As for why they killed Quinlan, I can't see it being dumb luck. He was the kind of guy we'd normally have lynched because of his inactivity, so there's no reason for them to take him down unless they knew his action.

Here are the possibilities I see:

1. The scum have a role cop who just happened to find Sherlock early on
2. 3PO was scum, and somehow he knew who Sherlock is
3. Sherlock apparently lied to me about telling someone else about his action, he told a scum, and that scum killed him

Jedi Vebb makes a good point. Why would they janitor a townie? :wacko: I still firmly believe that 3PO was scum, but the lack of a reveal makes things less concrete, which will make today's lynch difficult.
Okay, that changes things. A lot. I'll have to get my thought together, but consider yourself FoSed. It's nothing personal, but as you said yesterday, there were three people to know that the Cop was also the Shrink, and two of them knew who he was, and one of them is cleared, and the other one is you. I agree that killing Sherlock can't have been coincidence. And I don't see why Sherlock should have lied or how C-3PO would have known. Your role cop excuse is valid, but how likely is it? I'll have to think about this some more, but you're now also on my suspect list.

What about Zane, by the way?

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I think you might be reading too much into it, if a curing or conversion had taken place, I think something other than a change of weapon would be visible, I don't know.
Yeah, I propably am. The last possibility is the likeliest, that it's meaningless.

View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Yes, Tiin was Zane.
Okay, that's one possible leak less. Of course, unless you're telling the truth.
May I ask, what's the connection between Tiin and Vos? I still don't get what's the deal with Zane.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

View PostPeanuts, on 22 May 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

May I ask, what's the connection between Tiin and Vos? I still don't get what's the deal with Zane.

I can anwser that, they once told me they knew each other "in real life". Whatever that means.

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View PostScubacarrot, on 22 May 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

I can anwser that, they once told me they knew each other "in real life". Whatever that means.
Oh, yeah, of course. I know. Some people named Isamu, Momoe and Kenta had some problems with that in a holovid I watched. :hmpf_bad:

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

That could be a problem for us. Let's hope Vos did not know anything else of value .
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:05 PM

View PostPeanuts, on 22 May 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Okay, that changes things. A lot. I'll have to get my thought together, but consider yourself FoSed. It's nothing personal, but as you said yesterday, there were three people to know that the Cop was also the Shrink, and two of them knew who he was, and one of them is cleared, and the other one is you. I agree that killing Sherlock can't have been coincidence. And I don't see why Sherlock should have lied or how C-3PO would have known. Your role cop excuse is valid, but how likely is it? I'll have to think about this some more, but you're now also on my suspect list.

Yes, I completely understand. :sadnew: The fact that 3PO was janitored coupled with Sherlock's death definitely makes me look bad. :sceptic:

However, do keep in mind that if I was scum, would I really reveal that the investigator that no one knew about was dead? :hmpf: No, I'd pretend he was alive and use him to clear me.

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View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Oh my God, I feel like such an idiot. :wall: :wall: :wall: I accidentally told 3PO who Sherlock was. :ugh:

Master Corobb and I had been openly talking about him in my room, but when we went to his room to talk with 3PO as well, I completely forgot to use Vos' code name. :wall:

Yes, Tiin was Zane.

Well, that pretty much clears up the fact that C3PO is scum. Unless... There is one unlikely possibility: the sith wanted to fog up C3PO's identity so that we would think that he is scum, but in reality it is Coryn who is scum, but since we think that C3PO is scum then we assume that Coryn is fine. I doubt this is the case, and I don't think it is as reasonable an assumption as that C3PO is scum.

Um... sorry for not knowing, but what is Zane?  :blush:

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However, do keep in mind that if I was scum, would I really reveal that the investigator that no one knew about was dead? :hmpf: No, I'd pretend he was alive and use him to clear me.

Excellent point, and I think that pretty much clears out my previous conspiracy theory  (although it wasn't a completely serious theory) :grin:

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View PostTheBoyWonder, on 22 May 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

That could be a problem for us. Let's hope Vos did not know anything else of value .
Please clarify, what exactly could be a problem? And why should we hope he didn't know anything else of value? He's dead, so it's pretty much irrelevant what he knew.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

If our friend Vos told Tiin some information, and Tiin was in contact with a Scum, who had told Tiin he was a town power role, what's to say Tiin did not spill all that Vos told him?
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#24 Dannylonglegs

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:29 PM

The theory about the SK being turned scum is a viable one, but I still doubt it. Mostly because There would be no point at all (IMO) in killing Zakura. I was highly suspicious of him yesterday, and would gladly have voted him off today. It looks more like the work of a vig, or an SK acting like a vig because the scum are losing and he/she wants to win.

View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Yes, Tiin was Zane.
I didn't see that coming! *huh* I guess that explains their proximity. (I take it they live together?)

View PostPeanuts, on 22 May 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

The assumed scum killer apparently has killed Quinlan, while it appears the other killer has killed Master Tiin. I understand why the SK would kill Tiin, as he was pretty much useless so far. But why kill Quinlan? The only reason for the scum to kill him I imagine would be if he had had a night action. Which would make one wonder, why they knew. Has anyone been told by him or anyone else about his night action?
I imagine indeed. I didn't suspect that he had a night action, there could be plenty of reasons to kill him (kill an inactive player to mess with our heads, kill an inactive player to frame someone, kill an inactive player to simply cut down our ranks and focus on an active player in the day.) but it's kind of suspicious, to me at least, that you off the bat guessed "night action." I didn't read him as anything special at all. I'm actually really surprised that he was Sherlock. *huh*

Now I know what I said earlier:

View PostDannylonglegs, on 22 May 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

so unless these people start dying, I see no reason to mis-trust him yet.

But this actually just makes me trust him more. :sceptic: As 'apparently' the only one who knew the identity of Sherlocks, he could have easily hid this info to avoid suspicion, but he came out with it. This is not (in my opinion) the move of a scum.

However,

View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Oh my God, I feel like such an idiot. :wall: :wall: :wall: I accidentally told 3PO who Sherlock was. :ugh:

Master Corobb and I had been openly talking about him in my room, but when we went to his room to talk with 3PO as well, I completely forgot to use Vos' code name. :wall:

It is kind of 'convenient' that the only person who could have confirmed this is now dead. :hmpf_bad:

Still,

View PostTamamono, on 22 May 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

Yes, I understand that since 3PO's affiliation has yet to be revealed, I'll probably be under scrutiny today. :sceptic:

I would be more willing to believe that this whole shebang is more aimed at getting you lynched than you getting out Scott free. If it is the latter, you did a sucky job. :hmpf:

The reason I suspect no one tried to kill you last night is because they didn't have to. The way events seem to be conspiring against you would make you a good target for them to try and Lynch. Also, since you let out the identity to C-3POp (apparently  :hmpf_bad: ), they could save you for last after dealing with Corob, the big coordinator, and Sherlock.  :sadnew:

Because of this, I'm actually more suspicious of Luminara, who seems to be A. starting a Fos Bandwagon against Coryn and B. supporting Euna by saying she was probably framed, therefor making her less suspicious. Now, I'm probably wrong. My suspicion mostly stems from her suggestion that Vos had a night action before Coryn came out and said it.

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#25 ADHO15

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:34 PM

Hmm, not a good night at all. :sceptic:

If Threepio's allegiance was hidden by a Janitor, why have we not seen any of his work previously? Is it likely to only be a one-time ability?
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