Nagyzee, on 10 May 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:
I didn't call your opinion dumb. I said that you are playing dumb.
How is this not the same thing? I'm not playing anything; I'm giving you my honest opinions, and frankly, I find your notion quite rude.
And by that I mean that for the sake of your argument you deliberately and rather forcedly try to ignore that most everyone will associate the figure with a geisha and that TLG surely have taken that into account. They are not that ridiculously shortsighted to have missed that. So apparently they were okay with releasing a figure that to the average public looks like a geisha.
Your only arguments that I can recall are because it is viewed by others as a geisha
. The point of me creating this thread is so that I can provide evidence for the stance that TLG is not hypocritical with these decisions. There is nothing about prostitution or geisha in this figure. You're adding that spin to that minifigure; don't blame TLG for your interpretations. It really doesn't affect their boundaries. You can provide any spin you'd like to any minifigure; you can see it in any way you'd like, be it habitual or forced interpretation. TLG wouldn't have anything left to produce given enough spin.
(And my guess is that naming it Kimono Girl was not an attempt at making it a NON-geisha but stems simply from TLG favouring as generic names for their collectible minifigures as possible. See Grandma Visitor and Ocean King as recent examples.)
Let's take a look, shall we, at these minifigures, and their names.
- Tribal Hunter, Cheerleader, Circus Clown, Caveman, Zombie, Skater, Robot, Demolition Dummy, Magician, Super Wrestler, Nurse, Ninja, Spaceman, Forestman, Deep Sea Diver, Spaceman
- Spartan Warrior, Lifeguard, Witch, Pop Star, Weight Lifter, Ring Master, Explorer, Karate Master, Surfer, Pharaoh, Vampire, Traffic Cop, Mime, Skier, Disco Dude, Maraca Man
- Hula Dancer, Tribal Chief, Samurai Warrior, Tennis Player, Sumo Wrestler, Baseball Player, Fisherman, Elf, Rapper, Space Alien, Gorilla Suit Guy, Race Car Driver, Mummy, Snowboarder, Space Villain, Pilot
- Artist, Crazy Scientist, Hazmat Guy, Hockey Player, Ice Skater, Kimono Girl, Lawn Gnome, The Monster, Musketeer, Punk Rocker, Sailor, Street Skater, Soccer Player, Surfer Girl, Viking, Werewolf
- Boxer, Cavewoman, Detective, Egyptian Queen, Evil Dwarf, Fitness Instructor, Gangster, Gladiator, Graduate, Lizard Man, Lumberjack, Ice Fisherman, Royal Guard, Small Clown, Snowboarder Guy, Zookeeper
- Bandit, Butcher, Classic Alien, Clockwork Robot, Genie, Flamenco Dancer, Highland Battler, Intergalactic Girl, Lady Liberty, Leprechaun, Mechanic, Minotaur, Roman Soldier, Skater Girl, Sleepyhead, Surgeon
- Aztec Warrior, Bagpiper, Bride, Bunny Suit Guy, Computer Programmer, Daredevil, Evil Knight, Galaxy Patrol, Grandma Visitor, Hippie, Jungle Boy, Ocean King, Rocker Girl, Swimming Champion, Tennis Ace, Viking Woman
Now, let's see all of the ones that don't list a state of being, profession or hobby:
- Kimono Girl
- Bride, Grandma Visitor, Hippie
As you see, we're not let with much. Lego frequently used "races," if you don't mind a stretched term for this list, such as Elf, Caveman, Demolition Dummy, and Alien (19 altogether). Also removed were hobbies, like Tennis Ace and Maraca Man, in addition to professions (88 between Hobby and Profession).
Why is it that Lego used the term "Kimono Girl," rather than geisha, if roughly 78.6% of all the Collectable Minifigures are named strictly for their profession/hobby. Every other name is completely clear regarding what the Minifigure is. The ones left in the list above have nothing else to go by in terms of other labels. What does the Sleepyhead do for a living? What sport does the Hippie play? The Kimono Girl certainly falls into the category of these for me. There is nothing else remarkable about her. She's not on a skateboard. She's not wielding a sword. She's showing no signs of a profession or hobby, other than what it states in her official biography. She's wearing a Kimono, hence her name. With all of the other professions explicitly mentioned, she could've easily been labeled "Geisha," but she isn't.
And it's not racist. It's stereotypical. When you have only seen kimonos and white makeup on geishas in popular films (/books, etc.) then you'll associate that look with a geisha when you see it.
Might I suggest that you look up traditional Japanese women? Various cultures have traditional dress, and, in this case, it is shared with, but not limited to, geisha.
Omicron, on 10 May 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:
I'm not saying she is, but she may have been inspired by one.
And if you wanna talk about the past, then what about the other themes Lego has made which is known for its bad reputation? Like Vikings? The Western theme with the cowboys and indians? Pirates?
Pretty sure they are known for all the bad things.
I've never said that she couldn't have been inspired by one. In fact, I believe in one of my earlier posts I recognized that it could very well have been the case. This does not mean that it was
the case. The only evidence we have to go by has already been listed. She wears a kimono and has a white face; that's not anything to go by, as it was traditional garb.
Now, on to the subject of the past. Here's what TLG has to say that it won't accept that will matter with this argument:
- Death, killing, blood, terrorism, or torture
- Warfare or war vehicles in any situation post-WWII to present
I don't believe Vikings, Western, or Pirates falls into any of these categories. None of them are present warfare, as I feel there are aspects of armies in these lines, like the Cavalry and the Redcoats. Also, there is no actual death, killing, blood, terrorism, or torture involved in these original themes. There are no hangmen, there are no gallows, there are no corpses aside from skeletons. There are prisons in all three of the lines you mentioned to house the bad guys. The Western sets didn't even feature the cavalry in any Native sets; they were simply focusing on the culture of the Natives, and the laws of the land without ever crossing the two. The only violence really featured in these lines that I can see any real issue with lies within the sets of the Vikings. Here we have: Fafnir, Nidhogg, Jormungund, Fenris, and other such creatures, attacking and being attacked by our vikings. I feel that this is a quite safe line, as these are historical (in terms of Lego) encounters against fantastical creatures. The child understands that Fafnir won't swoop down in the middle of the night to steal his riches.
Edited by LRDark, 10 May 2012 - 08:06 AM.