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#1 badboytje88

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:21 PM


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Shizuko just returned from the kitchen.
She found a nice and tender steak.
She was just on her way to Lizzys bedroom to bring it to her.
She was feeling kind of guilty for lynching the big lizards mother.
A nice steak would probably fix everything!


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Suddenly she fell a sharp pain in her neck.
Her head was chopped of with a katana.
The red ninja had struck again!

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After the kill the ninja took the steak and hid the body.






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Posted Image Nobuo – Played by MetroiD
Posted Image Akio – Played by Rumble Strike
Posted Image Noriko – Played by Eskallon
Posted Image Lizzy – Played by Capt. Redblade
Posted Image Shiro – Played by Alopex
Posted Image Hanako – Played by Professor Flitwick
Posted Image Akira – Played by Bob
Posted Image Kin – Played by Rick
Posted Image Maniko – Played by Swils
Posted Image Norio – Played by Def
Posted Image Daisuke - Played by K-Nut


Deceast
Posted Image Yasu – Played by TheBoyWonder - Lynched on day 1 - Mutineer
Posted Image Lloyd Jr – Played by ADHO15 & KielDaMan - Murdered on night 1 - Yakuza
Posted Image Ichirou – Played by Tamamono - Lynched on day 2 - Yakuza
Posted Image Tadao – Played by The Legonater - Murdered on night 2 - Yakuza
Posted Image Yasuko – Played by RileyC - Mod Killed on night 2 after RileyC decided it was for the best to quit the game - Yakuza
Posted Image Minoru - Played by VolcanicPanik - Lynched on day 3 - Secret Agent
Posted Image Jirou - Played by JimButcher - Murdered on night 3 - Yakuza
Posted Image Yoshiko - Played by Cecilie - Murdered on night 3 - Yakuza
Posted Image Isamu - Played by Peanuts - Murdered on night 3 - Secret Agent
Posted Image Hiroki - Played by Etzel - Lynched on day 4 - Mutineer
Posted Image Momoe - Played by Rufus - Murdered on night 4 - Secret Agent
Posted Image Aiko - Played by Iamded - Died of grief on day 4 - Neutral
Posted Image Tamiko - Played by Zakura - Died of grief on day 4 - Yakuza Mason
Posted Image Cherry Blossom - Played by WhiteFang - Lynched on day 5 - Yakuza
Posted Image Kenta – Played by Nightshroud99 - Murdered on night 5 - Secret Agent
Posted Image Manga - Played by CorneliusMurdock - Murdered on night 5 - Yakuza
Posted Image Chieko - Played by Scubacarrot - Murdered on night 5 - Mutineer
Posted Image Setsuku - Played by Fhomess - Lynced on day 6 - Mutineer
Posted Image Saburo - Played by Masked Builder - Murdered on night 6 - ???
Posted Image Emi - Played by Brickdoctor - Lynched on day 7 - Yakuza
Posted Image Shizuku - Played by CallMePieOrDie - Murdered on night 7 - ???

The Rules

  • Each player will be given a character to play who will be aligned with either Yakuza (town) or the Mutineers (scum). To win the game the Yakuza must eliminate all of the Mutineers. While the Mutineers need to outnumber the Yakuza. Any other party characters will have their own win conditions outlined in their roles.

  • Each day you will be able to vote to lynch a player Voting should be done in the following format: Vote: Character (Player). Similarly, unvoting is to be done in the format; Unvote: Character (Player). No other format will be accepted. Each player gets one unvote a day. The player with the most votes at the end of a game day will be lynched. If there is a tie then the first player to achieve this vote count will be lynched.

  • A game day will last a maximum of 72 hours. You may not vote in the first 24 hours. The day will end after 72 hours, unless the group are decided on a lynch. After the day has concluded, a night stage will commence, which will last a maximum of 48 hours. Night actions must be sent to the host, using the initial character PM thread only, in the first 24 hours of the night stage. They will not be accepted after this deadline has passed or if the player doesn’t use the initial character PM.

  • The alignment of lynched players, as well as those that died during the night will be revealed at the beginning of the next day.

  • You may not quote or pretend to quote anything sent to you by the game hosts via PM. This includes all the details of your character and role, as well as any night action results. Role claims and reporting of night action results are acceptable, but in your own words only. Do not attempt to use the structure of your role PM to your advantage.

  • Do not play the game outside the thread. Similarly, do not post out of character inside the thread. Game tactics and roles may only be discussed in the game thread or via PM with other players. Private discussion is done at your own risk and should be treated as part of the game. Metagame at your own risk.

  • If you are dead, you may not post in thread or discuss the game with any of the players. Any information you had becomes void, and may not be passed on.

  • You may not edit your posts.

  • You must post in every day thread.

  • If you encounter a problem or have a question, please contact the hosts using your character information PM. No other communication with the hosts will be accepted or acknowledged.

  • Violation of the above rules will result in a 5 vote penalty against you on your first offence, and the death of your character on your second offence. Plus losing your right to vote for that day.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:45 PM

Well at least we know the Red Ninja has the ability to hide the body of it's victim, which is un-nerving. :sceptic: Norio spoke of lynching Akira yesterday because of his "buddy-buddy" relationship with Hiroki, so I assume that the investigation result last night (assuming there was one) is related to Akira.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:48 PM

*sniff* Another missing cadaver? This is getting annoying. Particularly on top of the fact Emi was innocent.

Now then before any revelations come out from the previous night, I'd like to ask for a favour from Noriko. You said two days ago that you'd start being more active. Fancy starting today?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

So, the Red Ninja is most definitely a Janitor-ish role, and since he has made an appearance two nights in a row, I am now convinced that he is a replacement for the Scum killer. The bastard must be found. And not just because of the threat he poses to the rest of us, but because he would be so evil as to steal my steakums. :cry_sad: I just lost my mother, and Auntie Shizuko, and now my steak?  :cry3:

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:08 PM

View PostK-nut, on 25 March 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Norio spoke of lynching Akira yesterday because of his "buddy-buddy" relationship with Hiroki, so I assume that the investigation result last night (assuming there was one) is related to Akira.
And I spoke of lynching you yesterday because of your blahdee-blahdee contributions. You could, of course, retain your hopes that the investigation results would aim the vote elsewhere, it's only logical and I'd pretty much expect that. I'm not changing my stance though, and your lack of any reaction to my accusations substantiates those even more.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:24 PM

This Janitor thing is nasty...   :cry_sad:  I hope that when the night action results start rolling in we will be able to get rid of the scum!

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:51 PM

View PostK-nut, on 25 March 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Well at least we know the Red Ninja has the ability to hide the body of it's victim, which is un-nerving. :sceptic:

View PostProfessor Flitwick, on 25 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

*sniff* Another missing cadaver? This is getting annoying.

View PostAlopex, on 25 March 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

This Janitor thing is nasty...   :cry_sad:
Are you even doubting the red ninja is killing Yakuza at night? Of course we're not entirely sure, but I think it's safe to assume the victims are Yakuza.

It's a shame we were wrong about Emi, but the list of suspects is getting shorter. We're all waiting for Norio to hear the results of the investigations tonight. If nothing comes up, I think it's good to continue where we left off yesterday.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:01 PM

Hey Emi  :wall: Next time, work with the team, please, for all our sakes.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:07 PM

View PostMetroiD, on 25 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

And I spoke of lynching you yesterday because of your blahdee-blahdee contributions. You could, of course, retain your hopes that the investigation results would aim the vote elsewhere, it's only logical and I'd pretty much expect that. I'm not changing my stance though, and your lack of any reaction to my accusations substantiates those even more.
The lack of reaction was work was busy as hell me thinking over the events of the day. By the time I was back, you had changed your vote, and there was no need for a reaction. And if I did post a reaction, somebody would accuse me of "over reacting" and consider it scummy, then attempt to lynch me today. :hmpf:
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:34 PM

View PostMetroiD, on 24 March 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

I know who I'm voting against tomorrow though! :angry:

View PostK-nut, on 25 March 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

By the time I was back, you had changed your vote, and there was no need for a reaction. And if I did post a reaction, somebody would accuse me of "over reacting" and consider it scummy, then attempt to lynch me today.
Sure, accuse you of overreacting. Right. How about I accuse you of overthinking what might look scummy and trying very hard not to do it, just because you are actually as scum as they come? You really don't seem to be too keen on defending yourself, or you're not taking me seriously. Either way, you're also obviously none too talkative either - so I'd most definitely like to let your snot do the talking for you. You've managed to fly under the radar for long enough now, and that half-baked excuse just won't work. I was wrong to change my vote yesterday and help vote off a loyal member of this Family; I should have just kept my course steady!
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:36 PM

View PostK-nut, on 25 March 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

The lack of reaction was work was busy as hell me thinking over the events of the day. By the time I was back, you had changed your vote, and there was no need for a reaction. And if I did post a reaction, somebody would accuse me of "over reacting" and consider it scummy, then attempt to lynch me today. :hmpf:

Do you perhaps have a reasonable defense now, then?  I don't think it would be overreacting, as we've got a fresh table for lynching today  :sweet:

View PostCapt. Redblade, on 25 March 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

So, the Red Ninja is most definitely a Janitor-ish role, and since he has made an appearance two nights in a row, I am now convinced that he is a replacement for the Scum killer.

By "replacement", do you mean that you believe it is a new role that emerged/was created after the death of the previous killer left a void, or the previous role got upgraded due to circumstances?  No trap here, just trying to figure out your meaning.

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Losing Emi was a shame, but not one we can't come back from.  Knowing that Emi was a loyal yakuza, I am at least relieved to know that I wasn't mirroring a mutineer's or agent's suspicions these last few days, though, by her own admission, for the most part she only knew as much as what was said in public, so we may both just be/have been ill-informed.  With this second clean kill, it doesn't appear as though the red ninja will be losing any momentum in the coming days.  Setsuku, a mutineer, tried to call out Shizuku from the chopping block, so I think it's fair game to say that the red ninja is, indeed, going after non-mutineers (if not yakuza).  What's the word from our favorite anonymous investigator, any progress on that list?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:44 PM

View Postswils, on 25 March 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

By "replacement", do you mean that you believe it is a new role that emerged/was created after the death of the previous killer left a void, or the previous role got upgraded due to circumstances?  No trap here, just trying to figure out your meaning.
I think after the previous killer was lynched, a new role emerged/was created and passed onto another Mutineer, thus creating the Red Ninja. Perhaps the Red Ninja role was a condition that would come into effect should the Black Ninja be caught.   :def_shrug:

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#13 Bob

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

Honestly I'm not surprised that Emi turned out to be a Yakuza. Norio, I'm willing to believe that whoever identified Hiroki and Setsuku for you as "scummy" is most likely not working for you anymore.

Who's next on the character list, Norio? Who are we going to lynch while we blindly follow you?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 12:33 PM

View PostBob, on 26 March 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Honestly I'm not surprised that Emi turned out to be a Yakuza. Norio, I'm willing to believe that whoever identified Hiroki and Setsuku for you as "scummy" is most likely not working for you anymore.

Who's next on the character list, Norio? Who are we going to lynch while we blindly follow you?
What are you talking about?  I voted for Emi based on her behaviour, and not because she was labeled as scummy by an investigator.  And I was very clear about that from the start.  :wall:

And now you want to get in a huff and say people are blindly following me  :facepalm: Anyway, I helped lynch an agent on day 3, lynched a mutineer on day 4, and lynched another mutineer on day 6.  What's Akira done for us?  Oh, Akira 'forgot' to send in night actions in  :facepalm:  I think your attitude here is pretty poorly thought through, so hopefully you're scum, and not just a townie with their panties in a knot.

Anyway, I may as well lay out the case against Akira, since he's the best choice we have today...Lizzy is a fair bet, but Lizzy doesn't actually have much against her other than an apathetic attitude.

The case against Akira]
1) Combative attitude today, for no other reason than that he knows I'm thinking of voting for him.
2) He claimed Hiroki was his role cop feeding him info on day one.  Which I find very unlikely that Hiroki would choose Akira to trust on day one.  What did Akira do on day one to earn such trust?
3) Akira was in contact with Jirou, Jirou was a Follower, who saw Akira's role.  I contacted Akira about what the heck was up, around day three, and without prompting, told me Jirou's role.  But, upon further questioning, wouldn't tell Hiroki's identity.  He didn't reveal Hiroki's identity until after there had been an investigation of him, when it didn't make a difference.
4) He claimed a protection role, which is well enough, but it is supposedly only alternate nights, and has only been used once.  He 'forgot' the other time.  Let's look at the timeline... I contacted him when the day was ending.  I think gramps has been really lenient about letting us get actions in, offering to let us get them in before the day ends... So, this is how he 'forgot'

def, on 17 March 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

Hi,
If you could protect ****** again tonight.  He's one of the few cleared Vanilla, so he's good to guarantee to keep around  :classic:
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Bob, on 17 March 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Alright.
A few days later, I get this:

Bob, on 22 March 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

What do you think of the quieter townies? Who hasn't been cleared by your ability?
Huh?  What ability  :wacko:  I have no ability, and haven't claimed one to Akira.  Sounds like he's using some black market information.

Bob, on 22 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

I didn't get my night action in on time, since Badboy has the strict 24 hour deadline.
I think it's more likely that Akira wasn't able to protect because he had to step in and become a killer for the scum.  Scum have been known to have protectors.

Sounds like a heaping pile of scumbag lies to me.  And if Akira isn't scum, he owes the town an apology for lazy, sloppy townie behaviour.  This is not based on an investigation.  It's based on the scumminess wafting through the temple with a stench of Akira on it.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:44 PM

View Postdef, on 26 March 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

The case against Akira]
1) Combative attitude today, for no other reason than that he knows I'm thinking of voting for him.
2) He claimed Hiroki was his role cop feeding him info on day one.  Which I find very unlikely that Hiroki would choose Akira to trust on day one.  What did Akira do on day one to earn such trust?
3) Akira was in contact with Jirou, Jirou was a Follower, who saw Akira's role.  I contacted Akira about what the heck was up, around day three, and without prompting, told me Jirou's role.  But, upon further questioning, wouldn't tell Hiroki's identity.  He didn't reveal Hiroki's identity until after there had been an investigation of him, when it didn't make a difference.
4) He claimed a protection role, which is well enough, but it is supposedly only alternate nights, and has only been used once.  He 'forgot' the other time.  Let's look at the timeline... I contacted him when the day was ending.  I think gramps has been really lenient about letting us get actions in, offering to let us get them in before the day ends... So, this is how he 'forgot'
I'm sure Akira can at least shed some more light on why Hiroki contacted him on day 1 (point 2) and why he had no trouble giving up Jirou's name, but kept Hiroki's identity a secret (point 3). That sounds pretty scummy to me indeed.

This even/odd night thing doesn't sit well with me either. Are we supposed to believe Akira doesn't leave his bed on the other nights? It's an unfortunate 'coincidence' that Akira forgot his night action the same night the red ninja killer appeared.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:24 PM

A tad bit early today but you may start voting.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:29 PM

Alright then,
Vote: Akira (bob)

He smells the scummiest :sick:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

That info on Akira being active on odd nights and then forgetting to do his part for our Family does sound very odd indeed!
I already said who I'm voting against today though and I'm not changing my mind, especially considering how he's done absolutely nothing to make me reconsider my stance.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:25 PM

View Postdef, on 26 March 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

What are you talking about?  I voted for Emi based on her behaviour, and not because she was labeled as scummy by an investigator.  And I was very clear about that from the start.  :wall:

And now you're voting for me based on my behaviour. We all know how good your gut feeling was yesterday, don't we?

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And now you want to get in a huff and say people are blindly following me  :facepalm: Anyway, I helped lynch an agent on day 3, lynched a mutineer on day 4, and lynched another mutineer on day 6.  What's Akira done for us?  Oh, Akira 'forgot' to send in night actions in  :facepalm:  I think your attitude here is pretty poorly thought through, so hopefully you're scum, and not just a townie with their panties in a knot.

I've done plenty for the town. I helped you lead the charge against two mutineers and I reassured you when you were nervous about targeting Isamu. I also used my ability to protect/block Momoe on night two. That's when Jirou investigated my role and found me to be a protector. Yes everyone, I have been investigated and cleared. 

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Anyway, I may as well lay out the case against Akira, since he's the best choice we have today...Lizzy is a fair bet, but Lizzy doesn't actually have much against her other than an apathetic attitude.

The case against Akira]
1) Combative attitude today, for no other reason than that he knows I'm thinking of voting for him.

Yes, I'd like to defend myself because I'd rather not fry to death. I'd hardly say I'm combative, I'm just really surprised that after all the help I've given you, you instead turn on me and claim that I'm scum. Even though I was investigated by Jirou, it's your gut feeling that's causing you to lead another crusade against an innocent Yakuza.

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2) He claimed Hiroki was his role cop feeding him info on day one.  Which I find very unlikely that Hiroki would choose Akira to trust on day one.  What did Akira do on day one to earn such trust?
 
I also earned the trust of Tadao on Day One. I was forming an alliance with myself, Emi, Tadao, and Ichirou. Hiroki knew this because I also approached him when I was starting to network. We discussed several things until Tadao was killed. When I learned this I started to suspect Emi, but then I learned that Hiroki was actually the scum that betrayed us. 

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3) Akira was in contact with Jirou, Jirou was a Follower, who saw Akira's role.  I contacted Akira about what the heck was up, around day three, and without prompting, told me Jirou's role.  But, upon further questioning, wouldn't tell Hiroki's identity.  He didn't reveal Hiroki's identity until after there had been an investigation of him, when it didn't make a difference.

Yes, I wouldn't tell you because I wanted to see if I could trust you with Jirou's role. It turns out trusting you with it was a bad idea. And yes, since you apparently knew the other roles, I felt that you should know this too.

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4) He claimed a protection role, which is well enough, but it is supposedly only alternate nights, and has only been used once.  He 'forgot' the other time.  Let's look at the timeline... I contacted him when the day was ending.  I think gramps has been really lenient about letting us get actions in, offering to let us get them in before the day ends... So, this is how he 'forgot'

Here's where you're wrong. I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two, since she was my wife and I figured I could try and see if she had an action based on how I blocked her.  Then I protected ********, a vanilla townie. I saw no reason to protect this person again, their role was vanilla. And yes, I have obligations outside this temple/forum I attend to. I can't be expected to immediately send in my action and sit idly by at my door/computer for the next day to show up. I wouldn't have protected him even if I got my action in. 

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Huh?  What ability  :wacko:  I have no ability, and haven't claimed one to Akira.  Sounds like he's using some black market information.

I'm took a wild guess that you're the investigator because it's common for the real investigator to pretend like he's a third party talking to the investigator. 

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I think it's more likely that Akira wasn't able to protect because he had to step in and become a killer for the scum.  Scum have been known to have protectors.

Seems like a good synopsis, but I refer to my point where I had been cleared. 

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Sounds like a heaping pile of scumbag lies to me.  And if Akira isn't scum, he owes the town an apology for lazy, sloppy townie behaviour.  This is not based on an investigation.  It's based on the scumminess wafting through the temple with a stench of Akira on it.


Akira, still want to complain about the investigator, or people blindly following me  :grin:

Oh, just like Emi owes the town a behaviour. Just like you said, it's not based on investigation. It's based on your good feeling that managed to get Emi killed yesterday. 

I'm not going to vote for you, since you seem like a good townie that's confused that he got his gut feeling rejected yesterday.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostBob, on 26 March 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

I've done plenty for the town. I helped you lead the charge against two mutineers and I reassured you when you were nervous about targeting Isamu. I also used my ability to protect/block Momoe on night two. That's when Jirou investigated my role and found me to be a protector. Yes everyone, I have been investigated and cleared. 
You most certainly weren't cleared.  Lying doesn't make you look more town.  Jirou had the ability to see what action someone used, not what their allegiance was.

I think it's amazing after days of playing the fool, you've all of a sudden decided you know what you're doing  :sceptic:

Bob, on 22 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I've just been a bit busy.

At any rate, I'm not sure what to do at this point. I mean, everyone is making compelling cases and I don't know how to vote. I'm confused.

I'm glad you are able to vote for Daisuke with confidence  :sweet:  I'm glad you're no longer confused.

As for the rest of your defense, it's incredibly scummy, claiming you weren't intending to protect the person you'd agreed to, saying it was a bad idea to trust me when I've been a part of most of the scum deaths, and yes, knowing that I, Norio, am the investigator. The scum already know, so there's no harm in saying it.  But you claiming you put two and two together?  Not likely  :laugh:

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

View PostBob, on 26 March 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

I've done plenty for the town. I helped you lead the charge against two mutineers and I reassured you when you were nervous about targeting Isamu.
Well, if you're scum you're likely a Mutineer, so of course you'd have no objection against targeting Isamu, an Agent.

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I also earned the trust of Tadao on Day One. I was forming an alliance with myself, Emi, Tadao, and Ichirou. Hiroki knew this because I also approached him when I was starting to network.
'Trust' on day 1? Really?

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Yes, I wouldn't tell you because I wanted to see if I could trust you with Jirou's role. It turns out trusting you with it was a bad idea. And yes, since you apparently knew the other roles, I felt that you should know this too.
So, you were willing to give up a Yakuza, but not a Mutineer. Of course - if you're town - you didn't know their alignment, but this little 'experiment' certainly works against you right now.

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Here's where you're wrong. I protect/blocked Momoe on Night Two, since she was my wife and I figured I could try and see if she had an action based on how I blocked her.  Then I protected ********, a vanilla townie. I saw no reason to protect this person again, their role was vanilla. And yes, I have obligations outside this temple/forum I attend to. I can't be expected to immediately send in my action and sit idly by at my door/computer for the next day to show up. I wouldn't have protected him even if I got my action in.
So, you're a jailkeeper? What better way to use your action than to protect (and in the process block) a confirmed vanilla townie. Surely, you're not suggesting that you're better used to protect an investigator?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:44 PM

I really can't believe that after all that, Emi was Yakuza.  I know she was paranoid but that ended up costing her because no-one could vouch for her.  As Norio has outed himself as the investigator, it's interesting that he was going on "gut feeling" by going for her and not seeing if she could be confirmed.  Which brings us on to today, and Akira.  I think the most telling thing here is the fact that they have a power role but didn't make it count.  Very sloppy for a Yakuza.  Is that worth a vote to lynch?  Norio's copybook has been blotted a little bit, but nobody's perfect with their "scum-dar".
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

View Postdef, on 26 March 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

You most certainly weren't cleared.  Lying doesn't make you look more town.  Jirou had the ability to see what action someone used, not what their allegiance was.

I think it's amazing after days of playing the fool, you've all of a sudden decided you know what you're doing  :sceptic:

I was never playing a fool. I networked and reached out with others. And yes, Jirou's action could see the role but also it could see where your loyalties are. I should know, he specifically told me so. 

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I'm glad you are able to vote for Daisuke with confidence  :sweet:  I'm glad you're no longer confused.

As for the rest of your defense, it's incredibly scummy, claiming you weren't intending to protect the person you'd agreed to, saying it was a bad idea to trust me when I've been a part of most of the scum deaths, and yes, knowing that I, Norio, am the investigator. The scum already know, so there's no harm in saying it.  But you claiming you put two and two together?  Not likely  :laugh: 

Enjoy the dragon's mouth

I'm not dumb, I can put two and two together. Of course I was able to deduce your role. Your logic is flawed, mostly because you're taking me for a simpleton. 

View PostRick, on 26 March 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

'Trust' on day 1? Really?

Trust used rather loosely. We revealed our roles and talked with each other. We shared our first day suspicions and then spoke about other things.

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So, you were willing to give up a Yakuza, but not a Mutineer. Of course - if you're town - you didn't know their alignment, but this little 'experiment' certainly works against you right now.

You say it right, I didn't know that Hiroki was a Mutineer. In hindsight I can see that I was used as a patsy and this upsets me. 

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So, you're a jailkeeper? What better way to use your action than to protect (and in the process block) a confirmed vanilla townie. Surely, you're not suggesting that you're better used to protect an investigator?

I suppose, but now knowing that it's a rather annoying role I see no reason to use it. 

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:21 PM

View PostBob, on 26 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I was never playing a fool. I networked and reached out with others. And yes, Jirou's action could see the role but also it could see where your loyalties are. I should know, he specifically told me so.
That seems awfully powerful and I'm not really inclined to believe that. It seems Norio was in contact with Jirou as well, so I'll wait what he has to say about this.

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Trust used rather loosely. We revealed our roles and talked with each other. We shared our first day suspicions and then spoke about other things.
I don't think there can be a reason to trust someone enough on day 1 to share your role with them.

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You say it right, I didn't know that Hiroki was a Mutineer. In hindsight I can see that I was used as a patsy and this upsets me.
If you didn't trust Norio, protecting the identity of your source was a responsible thing to do. What now works against you is that you outed Jirou, but not Hiroki.

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I suppose, but now knowing that it's a rather annoying role I see no reason to use it.
It's still a pretty useful role: it can be used to block someone you suspect of being scum or to protect a vanilla townie.

Or do you see no reason to use it because you're busy killing people and hiding their bodies at night nowadays?

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:50 PM

View PostRick, on 26 March 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

That seems awfully powerful and I'm not really inclined to believe that. It seems Norio was in contact with Jirou as well, so I'll wait what he has to say about this.

Jirou specifically told me he didn't trust Norio that much. I doubt that Jirou would spill everything to him the moment they first started talking. Jirou only told me everything because he found out that I was a Yakuza Protector. It later turned out I was a jailkeeper.

View PostRick, on 26 March 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

I don't think there can be a reason to trust someone enough on day 1 to share your role with them.

What can I say? Apparently, according to Norio, people had flocked to him so he could lead them as a united Yakuza front. I tried my own little organization of Yakuza and it worked until Ichirou screwed everything up by telling the entire temple that Tadao was the blocker. Then it was just me, Hiroki, and Emi. After Hiroki died Emi sort of left the group seeing as how we had been duped the entire time.

View PostRick, on 26 March 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

If you didn't trust Norio, protecting the identity of your source was a responsible thing to do. What now works against you is that you outed Jirou, but not Hiroki.
I outed Jirou because I wasn't sure if I even trusted him myself. Sure, he told me he investigated and found I was a protector, but at the same time I had been talking to Hiroki, who was also a similar role. I decided to tell Norio the person I trusted less, Jirou, because I was sure that he would investigate and ensure that my and Jirou's claims were sound.

View PostRick, on 26 March 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

It's still a pretty useful role: it can be used to block someone you suspect of being scum or to protect a vanilla townie.

Or do you see no reason to use it because you're busy killing people and hiding their bodies at night nowadays?

I suppose it can be used to protect a vanilla townie, but I'm not killing people at night nor am I hiding their bodies. Tonight is an even night, I should be able to use my jailkeeper ability again.

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