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28 replies to this topic  – Started by El Bucanero , Oct 15 2006 08:28 PM

#1 El Bucanero

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 08:28 PM

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I am surprised there was no thread about this wonderful ship before. So I made one...
Behold the Scimitar, a 24 gun frigate from the hand of Stephen Rowe, known as ratmfan on BS.

Isn't it a beauty!
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A view on the upper deck, the cannons are very cramped, caused by the ships tumblehome, although if there was no tumblehome, the ship wouldn't be such a beauty.
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I love the look of the stern, it looks very authentic.
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Enjoy it, like I did!

#2 Mister Phes

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Posted 15 October 2006 - 08:30 PM

Look at all those non shooting cannons - they're going to be screwed if someone attacks them...

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 05:55 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Oct 15 2006, 08:30 PM, said:

Look at all those non shooting cannons - they're going to be screwed if someone attacks them...

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Don't forget the guns on the gun deck *skull*
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It is unclear to me, wheter it are all shooting, or non-shooting cannons, but I do see some shooting cannons.
I like the look of the non-shooting guns better then the look of a shooting cannon...Have you ever see a real cannon with a pin inside?

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 06:51 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Oct 16 2006, 07:55 PM, said:

Don't forget the guns on the gun deck *skull*
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It is unclear to me, wheter it are all shooting, or non-shooting cannons, but I do see some shooting cannons.
I like the look of the non-shooting guns better then the look of a shooting cannon...Have you ever see a real cannon with a pin inside?

A non-shooting cannon can be recognized by the crossed cannons mark on top. I have 2 or 3 non-shooting cannons that I purchased some time ago with a shed load of minifigs, horses and rowboats. One non-shooting cannon that I own does not have the "casted" crossed cannons markings but it has a different color end pin. I prefer the euro cannons myself with the 1x1 round bricks. All of my ships have that and the non-shooting cannons are my reason for not buying ships from US sellers.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:08 PM

It doesn't really matter that it has mostly nonshooting cannons (these look better anyway).  I mean, Lego flintlocks don't shoot either; that's for your imagination. :-D

View Postjamtf, on Oct 16 2006, 11:51 AM, said:

All of my ships have that and the non-shooting cannons are my reason for not buying ships from US sellers.
The older ships do come with shooting cannons in the US.  I've gotten 3 Caribbean Clippers from US sellers and each one had a different type of cannon.

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:31 PM

View PostGovernor Broadside, on Oct 16 2006, 07:08 PM, said:

It doesn't really matter that it has mostly nonshooting cannons (these look better anyway).  I mean, Lego flintlocks don't shoot either; that's for your imagination. :-D

A gun once talked to me in my imagination... must have been the booze  X-D

View PostGovernor Broadside, on Oct 16 2006, 07:08 PM, said:

The older ships do come with shooting cannons in the US.  I've gotten 3 Caribbean Clippers from US sellers and each one had a different type of cannon.

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:32 PM

View Postjamtf, on Oct 16 2006, 06:51 PM, said:

A non-shooting cannon can be recognized by the crossed cannons mark on top. I have 2 or 3 non-shooting cannons that I purchased some time ago with a shed load of minifigs, horses and rowboats. One non-shooting cannon that I own does not have the "casted" crossed cannons markings but it has a different color end pin. I prefer the euro cannons myself with the 1x1 round bricks. All of my ships have that and the non-shooting cannons are my reason for not buying ships from US sellers.
Thanks I know that, but I can look trough the deck right, I can't see the cannons on the gundeck! *pirate*

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:37 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Oct 17 2006, 04:55 AM, said:

I like the look of the non-shooting guns better then the look of a shooting cannon...Have you ever see a real cannon with a pin inside?

Why no I haven't sir!  But really the shooting cannons are only a gimmick they don't actually serve a purpose in the apperance of the set - unless you like the crossed cannon emblem found on the non shooting ones.


View Postjamtf, on Oct 17 2006, 05:51 AM, said:

All of my ships have that and the non-shooting cannons are my reason for not buying ships from US sellers.

Is there are a particular reason you prefer shooting cannons?


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:54 PM

Yes, the reason is that is the way Lego intended it. The non-shooting cannons were introduced due to restricted laws in the US. They were supposedly hazardous to little children and prohibited. Lego was forced to make a change, I prefer originality and purity as it was meant to be.

Probably a crap reason but hey, I needed to come up with something!
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:10 PM

I Prefer shooting since it doesn't have the cross thing. The ship has a couple shooting ones, at least the can pop a whole in another ship or, uhm something. They'd be better throwing the canon balls than have non-shooting canons on board, just look at all that dead weight!
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:10 PM

I've heard something similiar in the past but I haven't heard anything official.  However, there is obviously a reason behind it, but what I don't understand is shooting toy cannons are considered unsuitable for children in the US but its easy (easier than a lot of other places that is) to obtain a lethal firearm.  Why is this so?


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:15 PM

They just wanted their own ''unique american style'' cannon or so... |-/

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:16 PM

With these shooting canons, I think you could really poke an eye out with these. Differiential of laws possibly, US laws are strict, lots of shooting items have that symbal with a kid getting poked in the eye with whatever. If the us laws were really strict, they'd require an orange circle on the edge of the shooting item :-D .
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:28 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Oct 17 2006, 07:15 AM, said:

They just wanted their own ''unique american style'' cannon or so... |-/

Are you being serious Mr Tiber, or is that sarcasm/cyncism or something to that effect?


View PostImperialScouts, on Oct 17 2006, 07:16 AM, said:

With these shooting canons, I think you could really poke an eye out with these. Differiential of laws possibly, US laws are strict, lots of shooting items have that symbal with a kid getting poked in the eye with whatever.

A real fire arm would poke a lot more than just an eye...


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:32 PM

View PostImperialScouts, on Oct 16 2006, 08:16 PM, said:

With these shooting canons, I think you could really poke an eye out with these.
If you said choke, I would agree (although you don't need a shooting cannon to choke in a cone)
But poke an eye out? I think the cannons used in technic, EXO Force and 4+ pirate sets can do a lot more damage, even with the soft top.

View PostMister Phes, on Oct 16 2006, 08:28 PM, said:

Are you being serious Mr Tiber, or is that sarcasm/cyncism or something to that effect?
Well, like the answer on ImperialScouts quote, I think the technic cannons can do a lot more damage, so you can say that I'm serious...

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:38 PM

Well, if your saying poking an eye out is just nothing much, why not I poke yours. :-P
What more damage can this thing do!?! I mean, it's a rubber/brick thing, it possibly can't do much on skin, it's like a fly shootting a minscul gun at you, the miniscul bullet will just bounce off.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:38 PM

Anyway, lets get back to the Scimitar since this is what the thread is really about!


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What do we think of the stern?  After seeing Sir Scott's stern and Mr Tiber's stern from the Acheron, this one looks rather modest I think....


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 08:42 PM

The stern is quite nice, IMO, the color scheme doesn't blend too well.




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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:07 PM

You don't think it looks too "bricky"?

There aren't enough bricks above the windows leaving gaps - is that intentional or is it a mistake?


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:35 PM

Actually yes, bricky, but, nothing you can do to really fix it, can you?
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:45 PM

Me personally?  No, can't do a damn thing to fix this one I can't.  However, the builder might be able.  Sir Scott seems to have found ways of designing a rather awesome stern without any "brickyness", have you seen what I'm referring to Imperial Scouts?

I've never built a stern before but I assume reversed slopes may provide a smoother alternative...


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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:47 PM

View PostMister Phes, on Oct 16 2006, 09:45 PM, said:

Me personally?  No, can't do a damn thing to fix this one I can't.  However, the builder might be able.  Sir Scott seems to have found ways of designing a rather awesome stern without any "brickyness", have you seen what I'm referring to Imperial Scouts?

I've never built a stern before but I assume reversed slopes may provide a smoother alternative...
can you post a pic of that stern?

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Posted 16 October 2006 - 09:58 PM

please  :-) .There are smooth slopes, but interpreting them into the rest of the cabin is quite hard.
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Posted 18 October 2006 - 10:30 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Oct 16 2006, 08:38 PM, said:

What do we think of the stern?  After seeing Sir Scott's stern and Mr Tiber's stern from the Acheron, this one looks rather modest I think....
Mister Phes!! SirScott made a lot of ships, and every ship has his own stern! So which one do you mean?

And does that means that you like the Acheron's stern??

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 02:38 AM

i don't really speak phes-anese but i think he means that he likes the stern of the acheron... but i'm still not sure. i'll go get my phes-anese to english dictionary...
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