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#1 dcflake

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:19 AM

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Please excuse any mistakes and the photography as this is my first review and I know everyone wants to know what this set is all about. Sorry if I've infringed on any rules

For a video review if this thing on youtube please click here: Lego Super Star Destroyer Review

Super Star Destroyer
Item : 10221
Ages: 16+
Pieces: 3152
Price: £350/$400 + shipping exclusive to Lego.com or Lego stores.

Hello, the Super Star Destroyer everyone has been waiting for has finally arrived and at £350/$400 for only 3152 pieces the final product better be worth it's hefty price tag.

I've been waiting for this model ever since I saw it preview on the Lego website and on the 26th I ordered it. This took me countless hours to build. Let's starts

Here is the box everyone has seen already so we will get it over and done with. They are big on showing the minifigs and boasting the length of this thing.

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And they show the opening 'bridge' section on the top of the box.

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Anyway enough about the box let's build this thing. What you see before you is all that comes in subsidiary box number 1 (like many of the UCS sets there are boxes inside boxes). Initially it is very daunting especially because this is the biggest set I have ever built (and own)

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Let's go through the minfigs first. They all come in box number one and bag number one (each box contains two or three numbered sets of bags) so you can get them right of the bat.

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Not much to say. It's excellent that you get figures in this set I didn't expect them at all. It's certainly not scaled. But one crappy exclusive and two rehashes? I guess they didn't want to annoy the minfig collectors who don't like UCS. Means you don't have to shell out loads for the elusive 4-lom figure everyone wants. We just get a bunch of old bounty hunters.

Here is the exclusive. Piett is nice and remarkably different to Grand Moff Tarkin from the 'other' Star Destroyer I have which was my one fear is that they'd just look the same.

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IG-88 is a improvement. And now we can't make him from painted spares. He had a specially printed face. He also has two guns which is awesome. Doesn't IG-88 have a gun are too? He really is packing.

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New Darth Vader... or at least new to me. He first came with the Tie Advanced but I never got that set I preferred the older one. Who is that in the background?

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And without the mask. The new face is better than the old.

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Yup, Bossk is idendicatal to the Slave 1 version way to go Lego.

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And the one you've all been waiting for New Dengar. Much better than old. No longer has the smiley face under the Ninjago mask. I love the body printing too. That's all the minifigs but I can't help feeling someone is missing. Anyone?

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Hey it's me! In Lego form. And an invited guest.

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Yeah, wouldn't this set be so much better with the best bounty hunter in the galaxy in it?

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So that's the minifigs. Overall I wasn't expecting a single one in this set so 10/10 wise move Lego giving some figures that only the hardcore fans would want because realistically, a 8 year old won't ever get his hands on this set and why deny him of a brand new figure?

Get your QC together Lego I'm missing one bit! And it's the first few bags. I suppose that's an email to Lego. (and yes I put every bag into separate bowls before I started the build so there would be no fear of missing bits)

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This is what I have after building all of bags labeled one. As Han Solo once said 'It may not look like much but... she isn't built yet so stop complaining Luke.'

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Onto bags labeled 2.

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Yes, a random grey piece. It's part of my spares so I guess it was an accident but who knows?

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After bags labeled 2 it's starting to take shape. And get very long.

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Onto bags labeled three and four.

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I had to admit it was fun putting the massive amount of details onto the bridge and deck on the ship. So many tiny bits. Although it has the problem of a lot of Lego sets, really you are making two or three detailed little bits and they just tell you to make up to 12 of them yes. 12!

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And the two stands are identical. They are really nicely detailed and show little to no studs, making them not look like Lego.

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Here is the section that covered the 'bridge'. You make it separately and like the details on the top of the ship it is so fun, so detailed and so intricate to make! A+ to Lego for that.

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Here is a close up of the bridge section with figures. A lot of stickers. If you hate stickers you will hate this part. I don't mind them but I prefer printed bricks like anyone sane. My major gripe with this is that anyone standing on the top deck (where Vader and bounty hunters are) will have to be removed if you want the lid on. They stand too tall to replace the lid when you have minifigers inside.

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With the stand applied the ship is now much more easily to maneuver as this thing feels like 8lbs they weren't joking.

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This is the point at which the day ended and I went to bed. Talk about a massive build there is no way you could do this in one sitting!

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Onto box 3. We are almost there. And the bags labeled 5!

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These pieces build the engines. Very distinctive and different to any other Star Destroyer I've seen it's why I love the SSD

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Onto bags labeled six we are almost there. These build the left hand side of the ship. I found it a very difficult build due to the length of the pieces. There is no simple way to handle a piece that long when constructing it and it will and did break many times during the process.

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And after a quick build there it is complete. Finished this set is rather unimpressive I expected much more...

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Oh I see what's wrong. There is another two sets of bags.

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Symmetry is a thing of beauty however not very fun to build. Basically I was building the same thing again only mirrored. A whole set of bags devoted to a build I already done. But wait? What is that blue thing?

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Yes they get you to stick it all together in the end. All the panels are connected and everything and for a UCS this feels sturdy!

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Just wow this thing is massive.

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My thoughts when this thing is finally together. Some good, some bad but most amazing.

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The mini city they were advertising really does look like a mini city! It's stunning. It's the best part of the set and a fun build. I love the UCS ISD but it has nothing compared to the complexity and diversity of the top of this one.

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Having said that I still prefer the overall look of the original ISD and I know I will never have it. But is still doesn't mean this SSD can't hold it's own. Yes it's still a big triangle in space but ' She may not look like much but she's got it where it counts'

But now it had come to the bad. I cannot ignore it. The metaphorical elephant in the room - the bottom.

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Yes, it's really flat. Almost unfinished in it's looks. Maybe the bottom of the ship isn't susposed to the focus (like the smaller ISD) but then why go to all that trouble making such detailed engines. Lego messed up. And I wouldn't be surprised if it is a deal breaker for some people. I've gotten used to it. The top is so well done the bottom would have to so ugly I'd stop building half way through.

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Minifig me was amazed.

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I'm glad to see no typo. I was looking forwards to a turoblaser though.

And Size comparison. (that AT-At is the walking one)

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And to finish of the price. This thing is so overpriced it's not funny. The ISD was cheaper than this at launch and I find that model better than this one. Saying that all Lego including minifig scale has shot up (I bought the Hoth Millenium Falcon for £100. RRP in the UK is £130). Unless you have a burning desire to get this thing I would suggest you wait. At the price it will be in stock for a while but I'm sure once they stop making this, this will become an expensive set. Moreso than the ISD which tops the $1,000 MIB. If I could sum up the value of this piece to me though I would say that the Death Star is £75 cheaper and comes with nearly 700 more pieces but I passed that and got this and I don't regret it. And besides where else will I get to act out my creepy Lego brick flick with minifig Princess Leia?

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Mandatory 'extra bits pic'

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Sorry for the long reveiw but this is a big set. It derserves it.

looks/detailing: 9/10 (the underside stops it from being a 10)
Price: 5/10 (Overpriced! Overpriced! Overpriced!)
Mini-figs: 10/10 (I didn't expect any.)
Playability: 5/10 (suprisingly durable
Pieces: 8/10 (nothing further to say)

Over all:37/50 Wait till a sale!

Edited by dcflake, 02 September 2011 - 07:01 PM.
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#2 lightningtiger

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:43 AM

Thanks for this review 'dcflake', pricey you bet 699 Oz dollars.....still it looks a solid build and it does look impressive, but missing Boba Fett is almost unforgivable ! :laugh:
The injection of some humour was a nice touch, may the Eurobrick be with you ! :wink:

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:12 AM

Nice review there!

Do you know approx how many hours the entire build took?

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:24 AM

I will definitely be buying this set once payday comes!

Great Review!

#5 dcflake

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:30 AM

View PostTitan, on 01 September 2011 - 04:12 AM, said:

Nice review there!

Do you know approx how many hours the entire build took?

About 12 or 13 maybe more. It was built over a series of three days and I'm not the fastest Lego builder. There is no way someone could do this in one sitting though so it'll keep you busy for many days.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:38 AM

I don't really see why anybody would buy this - $400 for a gallon of gray plastic and a small handful of non-exclusive figs?? It looks nice once it's built, but I'm not really seeing much value here.

Your review is great, though, and it's definitely an impressive set for sheer size if nothing else. Nice review!  :thumbup:

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:55 AM

Really enjoyed the review, thanks! There was no way I was ever going to buy this huge and expensive set, and highly unlikely that anyone I know will either, so this is the closest I will get to experiencing it.

BTW, I was wondering if you have the same Superman figure as me... does he pump his fists when you squeeze his legs together? :laugh: Had to ask.
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:07 AM

View PostArtanis I, on 01 September 2011 - 04:55 AM, said:

Really enjoyed the review, thanks! There was no way I was ever going to buy this huge and expensive set, and highly unlikely that anyone I know will either, so this is the closest I will get to experiencing it.

BTW, I was wondering if you have the same Superman figure as me... does he pump his fists when you squeeze his legs together? :laugh: Had to ask.
You must have a different figure to me cause mine has no such action. Its an old 80s one made by Toy Biz.

He was there because I had a joke about the fragilty of UCS sets but then it turned to be sturdier than I expected. Buzz Lighyear only cameos in this review he never had a part lol.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:49 AM

Thank you for the review!
As much as I want this, its way too expensive....and I need to get the Imperial Shuttle first! :tongue:
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:22 AM

The Boba issue is surely an irrelevance - he's £10 on bricklink and u bought this for £350 - talk about a minor issue!! Got Boba anyway - a second would hardly have made my day.

Think the set is glorious - but the flat bottom, argh, why Lego?!

Gang, how do we mod this? I need your expertise!
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 08:40 AM

View Postdcflake, on 01 September 2011 - 04:30 AM, said:

About 12 or 13 maybe more. It was built over a series of three days and I'm not the fastest Lego builder. There is no way someone could do this in one sitting though so it'll keep you busy for many days.

Great review!

i'm not so sure the falcon took me 3 and a bit hours to build.

anyway if i could get the set for £200 then i would buy it otherwise i shall spend my money elsewhere.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:29 AM

View Postdcflake, on 01 September 2011 - 02:19 AM, said:

looks/detailing: 9/10
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The only thing which is Ultimate on this model is the price.


But what is paradoxal is that the price himself is pretty normal for a 3152 part set of that size.
PPP : 0,1269 € or $ (depending on your country). It is similar to other SW sets.


The thing is that when a 400€ or $ has nothing of what a UCS model is supposed to have, then people feel ripped off.
Indeed, the details are very poor. I laugh when I look at the greebs on the top, and I cry when I see the greebs the absence of greebs on the back.
As for the finitions, it is definitely miserable with huge gaps everywhere.
So, at 400€/$, it is definitely a no go for me and for many other people.
I expect it to be on sale, sooner or later. You can quote. :o

I still can not understand how TLG succeeded to design something worse than the 10143 DS.


Lego, it is maybe time to remind you of your motto : Only the best is should be good enough.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:39 AM

Thanks for the excellent review, Dcflake! You sure have a lot of patience for taking all those pics and arranging them!

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:14 AM

Ok guys pls. stay on topic, negative criticisms are acceptable as long as it focuses on the review/set and not towards a member. If you have a problem with a certain member, use the PM function and communicate privately as the others don't want to read your ramblings against one another. Consider this a last warning.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:22 AM

Im a huge fan of this set, and cant wait for it to arrive on my doorstep.

Edited by harmacy, 01 September 2011 - 10:24 AM.

UCS does not mean 'Ultimate Collector Series', it means 'Unavoidable Cash Sucker'.


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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:12 AM

Excellent review, even if I've decided to buy this set only if it get a big discount. 400€ is way too expensive, even for an european collector like me. The set design quality itself is debatable.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 12:08 PM

I love this set but sadly don't have the budget for this kind of price  :cry_sad: .  I still might to be able to pick it up at a sale.  The no Boba is a big down point for me  :hmpf_bad:  :thumbdown:  but isn't the end of the world.  I just got my lego retail catalogue in the post today an the picture does look stunning though  :sweet:  Thanks for the review because this will help  :thumbup:
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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:05 PM

UCS sets are an investment more than anything, they hold their value really well.  Yeah, it's expensive now, but in 5-10 years it will be worth 2-3 times more than you paid for it.  Fretting about the price doesn't make a lot of sense, it just makes it that more valuable when others don't buy it.

As for the bottom, has anyone looked at the studio model?  It's practically flat.  Its not that big a deal to make the set flat and let people display or play with it without having the stands.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:10 PM

View PostStoutFiles, on 01 September 2011 - 01:05 PM, said:

UCS sets are an investment more than anything, they hold their value really well.  Yeah, it's expensive now, but in 5-10 years it will be worth 2-3 times more than you paid for it.  Fretting about the price doesn't make a lot of sense, it just makes it that more valuable when others don't buy it.

I fully agree with this.
In the end, if everybody waits for some nice rebate, the same story like with 10179 will happen. People will never stop waiting until LEGO will withdraw this set from catalogue, then they will freak out and buy it for triple price on BL or eBay.....

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:17 PM

View PostAnio, on 01 September 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

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The only thing which is Ultimate on this model is the price.


But what is paradoxal is that the price himself is pretty normal for a 3152 part set of that size.
PPP : 0,1269 € or $ (depending on your country). It is similar to other SW sets.


The thing is that when a 400€ or $ has nothing of what a UCS model is supposed to have, then people feel ripped off.
Indeed, the details are very poor. I laugh when I look at the greebs on the top, and I cry when I see the greebs the absence of greebs on the back.
As for the finitions, it is definitely miserable with huge gaps everywhere.
So, at 400€/$, it is definitely a no go for me and for many other people.
I expect it to be on sale, sooner or later. You can quote. :o

I still can not understand how TLG succeeded to design something worse than the 10143 DS.


Lego, it is maybe time to remind you of your motto : Only the best is should be good enough.
  
You may have a valid point and maybe its because its  my only big UCS model but compare this to any other Lego product and it is by far detailed. The walking At At is basically technic bricks in a shell. It doesnt even have a proper neck.

You could argue the price of this thing but i  wasnt rating the price i was rating the detail.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:49 PM

View Postdcflake, on 01 September 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

compare this to any other Lego product and it is by far detailed.
Precisely not, sorry.
Not well detailed, at least.

Compare it to other UCS sets, not to a "Technic" SW models.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 02:35 PM

View PostAnio, on 01 September 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Precisely not, sorry.
Not well detailed, at least.

Compare it to other UCS sets, not to a "Technic" SW models.
what other set has the level of details that this has on the top?

There are literally hundreds of tint pieces in a very concentrated area and i havent seen that done before.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:00 PM

Thanks Dcflake! For a first review you couldn't have picked a more challenging build. Good stuff! I look forward to building it myself sometime soon...

... and of course the set is detailed. Obviously not to everyones taste but so be it, diversity is a spice in life afterall! Love of 'greebles' is a noble thing but overkill with it at this scale could detract from the overall 'abstract' form and shape of the model. I think it works well- if 10221 were another 30 or 40 centimeters longer then it would have benefited from a different greebling approach altogether- something more like what is found on 10030 or 10179. Same goes for 10143 which is a wonderfully ambitious build in its own right but might have benefitted from having a larger circumference.

'More' is not necessarily 'better' and 'less' can quite often get the point across (without making you feel like you've been forced to listen to an obnoxious talk back radio host labour a poorly expressed opinion again and again and again...)

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 03:04 PM

View Postdcflake, on 01 September 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

what other set has the level of details that this has on the top?
Not necessarily on the top.
Look at the greebs of many models : 10030, 10179, 7191, 10019 and probably many playsets.

View Postdcflake, on 01 September 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

There are literally hundreds of tint pieces in a very concentrated area and i havent seen that done before.
There are 3 parts.


W00t ? Death Star, bigger ? @_O

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 04:09 PM

View Postcavegod, on 01 September 2011 - 08:40 AM, said:


i'm not so sure the falcon took me 3 and a bit hours to build.


5000 bricks in 3.5 hours (210 mins) equals 23.8 bricks used per min, or 1 every 3 seconds. Think we're daft?

Please remember some of the users of this site meet the 18 and above rule!

This set will take anywhere between 6-12 hours, so much the better
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