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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:38 AM

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The Full Moon Festival is in full swing and this citizen is regretting dressing as a mime.

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As every Full Moon Festival before it, this night is filled with drinking, debauchery and other immoral activity.

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Everyone's getting very drunk and having a great time...

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...except for the Musketeer, who is having a weird night.

"I'm having a weird night." The Musketeer says.

See? Told you so. The Musketeer turns to R2-D2

"What a great costume," he tells it, "but who in our Town is small enough to fit in that suit?"

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"Beep Bop Boop, Mother-Megablocker." R2 says as it raises a tommy gun and shoots the Musketeer in the face.

Ratatatatatatatatatatat!

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The Musketeer lays dead in the street.

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The cannibal and Padme stumble upon the Musketeer's body.

"Oh my!" says the cannibal.

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"Padme?" the cannibal drunkenly asks, "Out of all of the great female characters in the Star Wars universe, why would you choose to dress up as the most boring one?"

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Bang!

"That's why, bitch!" Padme says as he/she shoots the cannibal.

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The cannibal lays dead in the street next to the dead Musketeer...

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...but the party is so loud and everyone is so drunk that they don't notice the two murders that had just taken place. They don't even notice Padme walking past them with the gun still drawn.

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In the morning, Ivan and Agent Veronica are having breakfast on Ivan's balcony and notice the bodies in the street. They call Steve and The Cross-Dressing Construction Man down from their apartment above Fogo de Chao to investigate.

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Everyone gathers to see what citizens of Moonlight were lost in the night.

"Citizens of Moonlight," Ivan addresses the crowd, "We have lost two friends last night during the drunken debauchery of Full Moon Festival. We should all feel guilty for not being the more diligent."

He asks Steve and The Cross-Dressing Construction Man to unmask the dead.

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Steve unmasks the Musketeer and reveals he is Yuri (badboytje88), who was a member of the Town.

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The Cross-Dressing Construction Man unmasks the cannibal and reveals that he is...

"Ginny Weasley?" The Cross-Dressing Construction Man asks.

No, Cross-Dressing Construction Man...

"Bridget Darwin?" The Cross-Dressing Construction Man asks.

No, Cross-Dressing Construction Man, it's Elena (Inconspicuous) who was also a member of the Town.

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"This is the very bad news," Ivan tells them, "We must be ever-vigilant today and be careful to look at everything. Our lack of concentration last night could've lead to anything being changed. We are not sure the full effects of the Full Moon Festival until we look around."

And the citizens of Moonlight once again begin discussing who amongst them could be scum.

Day Three has begun. You may not vote within the first 24 hours.

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Barbara, a yoga instructor, married to Boris, played by Bob The Construction Man

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Boris, a pawn shop owner, married to Barbara, played by Brickdoctor

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Catya, a college student, engaged to yan, played by The Crazy One

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Denis, a construction worker, played by def

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Dmitri, a highway patrol officer, married to Raya, played by Dragonator

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Donil, a police officer, brother of Nika and Timur, played by Waterbrick Down

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Falicia, a delivery woman, married to Patrick, played by Fugazi

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Irene, an artist, married to Benji, played by iamded

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Max, a lawyer, played by Masked Builder

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Nika, a firefighter, sister of Donil and Timur, played by CorneliusMurdock

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Patrick, a firefighter, married to Falicia, played by Pandora

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Petr, a construction worker, played by Zepher

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Petra, a nurse, played by Peanuts

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Polina, a Moonlight Transit Authority (MTA) employee, played by CallMePieOrDie

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Raya, a real estate agent, married to Dmitri, played by Rick

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Ruslana, the chief of Police, played by Quarryman

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Ruxana, a pilot, played by Roncanator

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Samuel, retired mechanic, married to Sarah, played by Sandy

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Stanislav, brewery manager, played by Shadows

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Timur, a firefighter, brother of Donil and Nika, played by Captain Tamamono

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Vera, a highway patrol officer, played by KartoffelViking

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Yan, a college student, played by Jim Butcher

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Benji, a businessman, married to Irene, played by Big Cam - convicted on Day One (Town)

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Eugene, a manager of The Green Door Tavern, played by Eskallon - murdered on Night One (Town)

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Sarah, a retired piano teacher, married to Samuel, played by Sirius Black - died mysteriously during Day Two (Town)

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Yuri, a personal trainer, played by badboytje88 - Murdered on Night Two (Town)

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Elena, a college professor, played by Inconspicuous - murdered on Night Two (Town)

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:52 AM

MegaBloks! Two more dead. :angry:

At least I think we know one thing: Night One's kill was a scum kill. The scum is R2 with the Tommy Gun and the vigilante is probably Padme with the pistol.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:15 AM

I don't know about that Boris.  Petr mentioned yesterday that Yuri told him Ruxana had an ability.  Even though Yuri played it down at the end of the day, we can probably at least assume that any scum would think he had an ability.  The way I see it, Petr may have gotten Yuri killed (though now I'm more convinced he's town.  A scum would have kept Yuri's statement private and gotten rid of him without letting on).  I think a vigilante would have gone after the one mentioned as having the "nasty ability".

But yes, losing two townies is megabloks indeed.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:16 AM

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:29 AM

Damn. Elena was one of my closest allies, and now she's dead.  :angry: And Yuri... the scum will pay.

One thing to note is the presence of a second killer tonight. Were they restricted from killing the night before last, or can they choose to kill or poison? I suppose we'll find out before lunchtime, but I sure hope we don't have three killers on our hands here.

One thing to note is that after the fact that Yuri knew something about Ruxana was revealed, she was killed. This leads me to believe one of two things:

- She was killed by scum trying to frame Ruxana, or

- She was killed by a vigilante due to her odd claim yesterday. After all, how would she know about Ruxana's action on Day/Night 1?

Now I'm not defending Ruxana here, but to me it seems highly unlikely that if she were scum she would risk putting all of this attention on herself by killing Yuri.

As for Petr, I am now convinced that I was mistaken and that he is town. After listening to the words of Samuel, Petr, and Donil, I believe that his plan really was an attempt to unite the town (even if it was simple-minded). Meanwhile, the scum were probably laughing their a$$es off watching us argue.

Also, we should heed these words from Ivan:

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"We must be ever-vigilante today and be careful to look at everything. Our lack of concentration last night could've lead to anything being changed. We are not sure the full effects of the Full Moon Festival until we look around."

Notice how he said "vigilante" instead of "vigilant". Could this be a clue, one saying that the vigilante killed tonight? That could support the theory that the tommy gun killer is the scum killer. Also, what does he mean, changed? Have the night actions somehow been changed, as our punishment for not convicting yesterday?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:38 AM

View PostJimButcher, on 19 August 2011 - 03:29 AM, said:

Notice how he said "vigilante" instead of "vigilant".
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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:45 AM

I am a hundred percent sure I got Yuri killed, for which I am deeply apologetic.  However, perhaps we can use his final piece of information?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 03:51 AM

View PostCorneliusMurdock, on 19 August 2011 - 03:15 AM, said:

I don't know about that Boris.  Petr mentioned yesterday that Yuri told him Ruxana had an ability.  Even though Yuri played it down at the end of the day, we can probably at least assume that any scum would think he had an ability.  The way I see it, Petr may have gotten Yuri killed (though now I'm more convinced he's town.  A scum would have kept Yuri's statement private and gotten rid of him without letting on).  I think a vigilante would have gone after the one mentioned as having the "nasty ability".
It is a good point.

I notice god has now changed the records of last night's events, so that R2 shot Yuri with the Tommy Gun and Padme shot Elena with the pistol. This would appear to make it seem as if the scum killed Yuri, which would make sense if they heard that he had the 'nasty night action' and, knowing he wasn't one of them, killed him. What I can't figure out is if that's true why did the vigilante kill Elena? I realize there could be conversations going on in private that I don't know about, but Elena's death seems to be a scum kill. The best theory I can come up with is that the vigilante is wielding the Tommy gun, the scum the pistol, and the vigilante killed Eugene for his behavior and Yuri because of the 'nasty night action'.

Wait a minute. I'm thinking too fast here. I forgot that Yuri wasn't the one with the 'nasty night action'. :blush: Scratch the entire above theory and let me rethink this...

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:21 AM

Poor Elena and Yuri! :cry_sad: I assume one of them was killed by the scum, while the other was killed by the vigilante. The question is, which one? Whoever killed Eugene also killed Yuri, so I guess that means that Padme is the vigilante. If the scum killer really is the one with the tommy gun, then the poison killer must belong to some sort of third party, so we may very well have another poison-related death later.

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Petr mentioned yesterday that Yuri told him Ruxana had an ability. Even though Yuri played it down at the end of the day, we can probably at least assume that any scum would think he had an ability.

Good point, Nika. I think the scum would've interpreted Yuri's claim that Ruxana had a 'nasty night action' as him trying to reveal investigation results of some sort. Maybe he was a Role Cop?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:32 AM

View PostCaptain Tamamono, on 19 August 2011 - 04:21 AM, said:

Good point, Nika. I think the scum would've interpreted Yuri's claim that Ruxana had a 'nasty night action' as him trying to reveal investigation results of some sort. Maybe he was a Role Cop?
That's the same conclusion I arrived at. Either the scum killed Yuri because they thought he had a Night Action, or the vigilante killed him because he thought Yuri was trying to get Ruxana killed with the revelation.

What I can't figure out is Eugene's death. It would appear that the same person killed Yuri and Eugene. But I don't see any reason whatsoever for the scum to kill Eugene. My best guess there is that either it was the scum who killed Yuri thinking he had an action and had revealed something harmful to them, or god's messing with the weapons to mess around with our heads.

Not to accuse anyone at this point, but if the scum killed Yuri, I think Ruxana becomes our top suspect.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 04:59 AM

2 town kills!!! I can't believe we are at it again... I noticed something very strange last night based on the closing, mentioning something about full moon. I wonder if its anything related to something phenomenal or transformation.

I am also very worried that by mid-day, if one of us might actually get poisoned too? At this rate we are going, we are starting to lose more townies than we can afford to.  :cry_sad:

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:20 AM

Now that the weapons were switched, I'm not so sure of what has happened here. All I know is that it is of vital importance that we figure out which killer is which.

Let's think about the poison yesterday for a moment. Would it make more sense that the scum have interchangeable actions, to confuse us? I'm thinking back to one particular film, called Dr. Bloodbrick's insane asylum, where all of the scum would change who did the killing each night. If that were true in this case, their killing methods might differ from killer to killer.

This theory would indicate that the pistol killer and the poison killer are both scum, and the Tommy gun killer is the vigilante. Some might argue that the choice of weapon will be an indicator, such as the Tommy gun traditionally being a mobster weapon, but can we really rely on such notions?

It would also make more sense that a vigilante would kill Eugene because of his erratic behavior, and not scum who know that Eugene is already on his way to getting lynched for that behavior.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:23 AM

Who said the weapons were switched?

There were two kills yesterday.  It looks like there may be three today, I'm predicting the poison will still be in play.  I think the pistol is someone new, probably still scum.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:26 AM

View PostJimButcher, on 19 August 2011 - 05:20 AM, said:

Let's think about the poison yesterday for a moment. Would it make more sense that the scum have interchangeable actions, to confuse us? I'm thinking back to one particular film, called Dr. Bloodbrick's insane asylum, where all of the scum would change who did the killing each night. If that were true in this case, their killing methods might differ from killer to killer.
If there is a poison thingy happening again in mid-day, then I am certain that it is part of the killings too.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:27 AM

View PostZepher, on 19 August 2011 - 05:23 AM, said:

Who said the weapons were switched?

Oops, I mean corrected in God's vision.  :blush:

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There were two kills yesterday.  It looks like there may be three today, I'm predicting the poison will still be in play.  I think the pistol is someone new, probably still scum.
Like I said, we'll find out in a few hours whether or not there will be a third killing, but what makes you think that the pistol killer is scum? Do you think the Tommy gun killer is a vigilante?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:27 AM

Great another two deaths :wacko: and we're hardly any closer to finding the scum then we were yesterday.

It seems animal control went out of business, so I'm calling the zoo before that crocodile starts devouring living town members :tongue:

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2 town kills!!! I can't believe we are at it again... I noticed something very strange last night based on the closing, mentioning something about full moon. I wonder if its anything related to something phenomenal or transformation.

I am also very worried that by mid-day, if one of us might actually get poisoned too? At this rate we are going, we are starting to lose more townies than we can afford to.  :cry_sad:
Point taken Wilem, as there is a possibility that one of us will die at noon, if someone has pressing evidence from the night, I would suggest that they either get it out in the public or find someone to pass it on to before we possibly lose them. I'm curious as well as to the penalty, even while I think we should share any evidence before one of us dies, I think we should also consider the possibility that those among us with night actions may have been effected in some negative way.

It sounds like Yuri might have been on to something the other day, even though it was only the 2nd day. So Ms. Ruxana would you care to elaborate upon the statements that were presented concerning you yesterday? I know that it may smell like a setup against you but I am still curious.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:39 AM

View PostJimButcher, on 19 August 2011 - 05:20 AM, said:

Does anyone else want to take a guess at who's who in this sick killing game?
I did:

View PostBrickdoctor, on 19 August 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

That's the same conclusion I arrived at. Either the scum killed Yuri because they thought he had a Night Action, or the vigilante killed him because he thought Yuri was trying to get Ruxana killed with the revelation.

What I can't figure out is Eugene's death. It would appear that the same person killed Yuri and Eugene. But I don't see any reason whatsoever for the scum to kill Eugene. My best guess there is that either it was the scum who killed Yuri thinking he had an action and had revealed something harmful to them, or god's messing with the weapons to mess around with our heads.

Not to accuse anyone at this point, but if the scum killed Yuri, I think Ruxana becomes our top suspect.

I arrive at the conclusion that if the two Tommy gun kills were by the same person, that person was probably the vigilante killing Yuri thinking that Yuri was trying to frame Ruxana.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:45 AM

Petr, could you clarify, when exactly did Yuri tell you about Ruxana?

I don't think the tommy gun killer is the vigilante.  I don't see why a vigilante would go after Yuri when he said that it was Ruxana that had the "nasty" action.  As for Elena, I don't know why she would have been targeted by scum but I don't know of anything she did to warrant the vigilante's attention either.  Whatever happened there was either in personal conversation or was just a random killing.  

Maybe there are two groups of scum?  And maybe the one the pistol killer belongs to was blocked or recruited the first night.  It does seem odd to me that while we are hunting the Russian mafia, there would not be a presence from the Baritones as well.  Every situation in Moonlight's history has dealt with them.  Maybe they are still around.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:48 AM

View PostCorneliusMurdock, on 19 August 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:

Maybe there are two groups of scum?  And maybe the one the pistol killer belongs to was blocked or recruited the first night.  It does seem odd to me that while we are hunting the Russian mafia, there would not be a presence from the Baritones as well.  Every situation in Moonlight's history has dealt with them.  Maybe they are still around.
That would make sense. Either that, or god just decided to have each gun killing make use of a random gun, just to pay us back for trying to find clues in his pictorial account of last Night.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:48 AM

So here is what we've got thus far:

Eugene: Killed by Tommy Gun on Night 1

Scum/Serial Killer Motive: Quick to accuse and stick by accusation.

Vigilante Motive: Erratic behavior, wouldn't budge from accusation even when given logical reasons to do so.

Sarah: Killed by Poison on Day 2

Scum/Serial Killer Motive: ?

Vigilante Motive: Flying under the radar

Yuri: Killed by Tommy Gun on Night 2

Scum/Serial Killer Motive: Possible night action, possible frame against Ruxana because he claimed she had a "nasty night action"

Vigilante Motive: Thought Yuri was trying to frame Ruxana, because there was a low probablility that he could have actually found out anything incriminating against her on night 1

Elana: Killed by a Revolver on Night 2

Scum/Serial Killer Motive: Logical and slightly contributive, ?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:55 AM

View PostBrickdoctor, on 19 August 2011 - 05:39 AM, said:

I did:

I arrive at the conclusion that if the two Tommy gun kills were by the same person, that person was probably the vigilante killing Yuri thinking that Yuri was trying to frame Ruxana.
Ah, I missed that, thank you for reminding me. I do agree with your theory, that the Tommy gun killer is the vigilante.


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Maybe there are two groups of scum?  And maybe the one the pistol killer belongs to was blocked or recruited the first night.  It does seem odd to me that while we are hunting the Russian mafia, there would not be a presence from the Baritones as well.  Every situation in Moonlight's history has dealt with them.  Maybe they are still around.
This is a good thought, and we can't ignore the possibility that we may be dealing with more than one group of scum here.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 05:58 AM

View PostCorneliusMurdock, on 19 August 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:


Maybe there are two groups of scum?  And maybe the one the pistol killer belongs to was blocked or recruited the first night.  It does seem odd to me that while we are hunting the Russian mafia, there would not be a presence from the Baritones as well.  Every situation in Moonlight's history has dealt with them.  Maybe they are still around.


Now that is a theory that I, Petr, like.  Well, I do not like what it could mean for us, but it makes sense.  On the other hand, until we start to catch mafia, I'd hate to think that, and with five dead already, it seems if there were two mafias we might have found at least one by now.  But thank you for actually thinking.

I do not know if I've suggested it yet, or just thought it, but honestly I can not figure out why the deaths are happening as they are.  I can't figure out who is on who's side.  Is it possible that there is no vigilante?  No, that is not a good thought process.  I can't tell who to assign to what, and am so not going to boggle my mind with these thoughts.  I think Roxana is what we should be looking towards.  Some people may say that Yuri being killed could frame her, but I don't think that's the case.  I think that Yuri found her out, and the mafia figured she was already found out, so why not kill Yuri, who had some sort of action, and then it would look like Roxana was being framed, and thus take suspicion off of me.

Also, though no one else can know this for certain, I beg everyone to listen to me.  I had this thought in the night, and shared it with some allies in the case that I died.  Here is my thought:

The vote came down to the wire yesterday, and the final votes of the day were flying fast.  The people who saved me are cleared in my book, it would have been so so easy for the scum to push me over the edge, and while those trying to get me convicted aren't necessarily scum, I have no idea why the scum would work so hard to try to save a townie when they could have simply pleaded bandwagon.  It honestly does not make sense for the scum to not vote me if they had the chance to vote.

Which actually gives me a list...

Bear with me for a moment. Suppose for a second that I am town (which I am, but sadly you can only suppose). I was close enough to a conviction for it to make sense for the scum to try to vote me off. So let's look at the votes.

Sandy, Peanuts, Brickdoctor, Captain Tamamono, Fugazi, def, badboytje, Waterbrick Down, Pandora, and iamded all could have voted me but didn't, or unvoted me, or voted Barbara.  Think about it.  IT HONESTLY MAKES NO SENSE FOR THE SCUM TO NOT KILL ME AT THAT POINT.  No one would have pointed fingers, would they?

That leaves us with CallMePieOrDie, JimButcher, Quarryman, Shadows, Bob the Construction Man, Dragonator, The Crazy One, CorneliusMurdock, Roncanator, WhiteFang, Masked Builder, KartoffelViking, and Rick as suspects.

And yes, for a list this long, I gave everyone in the town a nick name!

So that leaves us with a list of thirteen likely candidates.  One of whom has an unexplained night action.

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:06 AM

Ivan told us to look around carefully, does this include looking back at last night's festivities? I seem to remember that someone dressed like a crazy scientist poored Padme a drink. Could it be that she has been poisoned? By the vigilante? And Elena was carrying a magnifying glass shortly before she was killed, did the scum get our investigator already? :sad:

Or am I just seeing things that aren't there?

Also, who could fit in the R2-D2 suit? A contortionist? Are any of these clues/ideas significant?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:14 AM

View PostCorneliusMurdock, on 19 August 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:

Petr, could you clarify, when exactly did Yuri tell you about Ruxana?
I believe Petr already said yesterday that Yuri passed on this information after night 1.

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I don't think the tommy gun killer is the vigilante.  I don't see why a vigilante would go after Yuri when he said that it was Ruxana that had the "nasty" action.
Agreed, and if we assume Yuri got his information through a night action, it would make sense for the scum to kill him, because it looks like an investigative night action seen in that light.

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As for Elena, I don't know why she would have been targeted by scum but I don't know of anything she did to warrant the vigilante's attention either.  Whatever happened there was either in personal conversation or was just a random killing.
That may have simply been a guaranteed kill for the scum. I don't see why a vigilante would target her either, so that makes the possibility of two scum factions all the more likely. I remember Ruslana and Patrick bringing up this possibility already on the first days. The strongest clue are agent Sky's passing words (he died in the confirmation and discussion thread before sunrise on day 1).

View PostBrickdoctor, on 19 August 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

That would make sense. Either that, or god just decided to have each gun killing make use of a random gun, just to pay us back for trying to find clues in his pictorial account of last Night.
I'm a little worried about Ivan's words. I have no idea what might have changed by the Full Moon Festival. I'm afraid it might not be as simple as switched MOs.

View PostWaterbrick Down, on 19 August 2011 - 05:48 AM, said:

Eugene: Killed by Tommy Gun on Night 1

Scum/Serial Killer Motive: Quick to accuse and stick by accusation.

Vigilante Motive: Erratic behavior, wouldn't budge from accusation even when given logical reasons to do so.
In what Petr quoted he claimed to have 'information'. Although that was on day 1 and Eugene could not have had a lot of information yet, could that be a reason for the scum to kill him?

So far none of the kills really make sense for a vigilante. Maybe the vigilante did not go out at night yet. Or maybe the vigilante has a limited number of kills and decided not to use them yet.

View PostZepher, on 19 August 2011 - 05:58 AM, said:

The vote came down to the wire yesterday, and the final votes of the day were flying fast.  The people who saved me are cleared in my book, it would have been so so easy for the scum to push me over the edge, and while those trying to get me convicted aren't necessarily scum, I have no idea why the scum would work so hard to try to save a townie when they could have simply pleaded bandwagon.  It honestly does not make sense for the scum to not vote me if they had the chance to vote.
The votes were flying fast right after the mid-day mark, not so much towards the end of the day. The bandwagon simply didn't roll fast enough and it's not that obvious the scum could easily vote someone off, especially if we're dealing with two scum families here, who maybe start out small and have to recruit their way to taking over this town.

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Bear with me for a moment. Suppose for a second that I am town (which I am, but sadly you can only suppose). I was close enough to a conviction for it to make sense for the scum to try to vote me off.
It was never exactly close enough. If, say, half of the scum got the bandwagon rolling, I don't think they had enough votes to seal the deal in the end. If we are dealing with two (smaller) scum families here, they wouldn't be able to coordinate their voting and individually they probably would not have a large enough number of votes to use anyway.

And I really doubt they would desperately try to vote off a townie every day. So far, we're only losing townies and the scum haven't exactly had anything to worry about. Concealing themselves at this point is likely a better option for them then desperately trying to vote a townie off every day.

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So that leaves us with a list of thirteen likely candidates.  One of whom has an unexplained night action.
Huh? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

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Posted 19 August 2011 - 07:28 AM

View PostRick, on 19 August 2011 - 07:14 AM, said:

The votes were flying fast right after the mid-day mark, not so much towards the end of the day. The bandwagon simply didn't roll fast enough and it's not that obvious the scum could easily vote someone off, especially if we're dealing with two scum families here, who maybe start out small and have to recruit their way to taking over this town.


It was never exactly close enough. If, say, half of the scum got the bandwagon rolling, I don't think they had enough votes to seal the deal in the end. If we are dealing with two (smaller) scum families here, they wouldn't be able to coordinate their voting and individually they probably would not have a large enough number of votes to use anyway.

And I really doubt they would desperately try to vote off a townie every day. So far, we're only losing townies and the scum haven't exactly had anything to worry about. Concealing themselves at this point is likely a better option for them then desperately trying to vote a townie off every day.


Huh? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Ah, but you see friend, they were not desperate.  Not in the least  It would have been EASY to send me over the edge, and if I had turned up town, would any of you have pointed fingers at the voters, claiming them to be scum?  No.  no, not at all.  So there was no conceivable reason for the scum to not vote me.  And if I wasn't voted off, then there was no harm in voting me, as there was enough of a bandwagon that the voters wouldn't be scrutinized.  You say they wouldn't vote for me so as to conceal themselves.  It would, in this case, be just as easy for them to conceal themselves in a bandwagon vote.   As for the smaller scum families theory, well, why believe something that hasn't been confirmed in any shape or form yet?

As for my thirteen suspects, those are the people who are not on my cleared list.  You must certainly agree that with a townie so close to death, the scum would not unvote him, nor would they place a vote for someone else when they could have easily voted for me instead.  We needed two more votes, if there are six scum, or even more perhaps, they wouldn't have any trouble getting enough votes for me.  My list of suspects are those who voted for me, or did not have the opportunity to vote at the end of the day.

Do all my points seem valid?  Boiled down, those who in the last moment unvoted me, or did not vote for me but Barbara instead, simply would not have done so if scum.  It just doesn't make sense for them to do that.  Seriously no sense.  So everyone who did not take those actions are still viable scum.  Make sense?

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