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[sok117]

I would like this set a whole lot better if they just got rid of anakin, that could nock down the price like 5 dollars, and make it more justifiable to be spending that much money.  I'm gonna buy it nonetheless for those awesome figs, and the ship doesn't look that bad to me, but I'll probably still modify the hell out of it!

[Stegoceras]

Thanks for the review. Saesee Tiin is definitely going to be a must have for me, I mean look at the detailing on him both front and back, very nice indeed.

and it's good to see I'm not the only one with a complete disregard for bag numbering. A big pile beats all.

[Soulgem]

great review.. thanks. I've been thinking of this set, but I'm still not sold on it. looks unfinished, and too small for the price. but that shaakti figure makes it almost worth the price  

[TheWarden]

Neat set, though I do have to ask the more knowledgeable (or inventive) persons out there... is there any advantages, (tactical, space-oriented, construction, etc.) to have wings that can be rotated to a vertical position in a spacecraft?

I'm a sci-fi builder myself, but drawing a blank here.

Edited by TheWarden, 29 December 2010 - 03:01 AM.

[sok117]

TheWarden, on 29 December 2010 - 03:00 AM, said:

Neat set, though I do have to ask the more knowledgeable (or inventive) persons out there... is there any advantages, (tactical, space-oriented, construction, etc.) to have wings that can be rotated to a vertical position in a spacecraft?

I'm a sci-fi builder myself, but drawing a blank here.

no, but if done right, it looks cool  

[KielDaMan]

Thanks for sharing this great review DarthPineapple! It's nice to finally see this set up-close, and I have to say the shuttle is not that bad, it's quite decent. But obviously, we all know the selling point of this set is the new Saesee and Shaak figs. I've yet to see someone declare that they want the shuttle and another Anakin/Obi-Wan. And for such a steep price just to get those two new jedi figs? I don't think it's worth it, and seeing this review just reinforced my decision to forego buying the whole set and just purchase the figs individually.

DarthPineapple, on 28 December 2010 - 06:26 PM, said:

*snip*
I have to say Saesee's face is quite ugly
*snip*

With all due respect to our Iktotchi Jedi Master, I think people are forgetting the fact that Seasee is not the most handsome jedi around.

[fff]

This wouldnt have been so overpriced if QV was instead of AS... as we all thought initially...

[DarthPineapple]

Thanks for the replies everyone!

Roncanator, on 29 December 2010 - 12:38 AM, said:

And no one has fixed the typo in the title yet?

I spotted it after I posted it, but for some reason I can't edit it myself?

[Brickdoctor]

DarthPineapple, on 29 December 2010 - 08:44 AM, said:

I spotted it after I posted it, but for some reason I can't edit it myself?

Only staff can edit titles.

[indyman09]

What a great set! Thanks for the very good review. I love that ship . That cockpit is awfull, you're absolutely right about that one!

[Stardusty]

Thank you for review!
It's great (review)!

I love the shuttle, it looks pretty cool.
I'll get it, because I don't have any minifig form that set.
Can you give us few better pictures of Shaak Ti and Saesee (or only Shaak Ti, I don't care so much about Saesee).

[lightningtiger]

AWESOME review for a really cool set....on the shopping list only because of the two new Jedi's which look totally AWESOME.
May the brick be with you !

[Ravenclaw2010]

Great review(although my iPhone would only show the pictures for the first three quarters)! I love that Shaak Ti figure, and the ships pretty cool, but I'm not really into SW, so I probably won't get it. Thanks for the review!

[brickmack]

Good review. I might get it just for the parts, I see some useful ones in there, but the set itself doesn't look good at all. Especially the wings. It probably would have made it more expensive, but on a ship that can flip the wings that way, both sides should look the same, as it would probably look on a real ship. Also the cockpit looks   but I do like the new printed windscreen. Even with the good parts and stuff, I'll wait until its on sale to get it. Seems a bit expensive, especially since I probably wouldn't even bother building it.

[Strand]

Interesting looking ship. It's a shame they committed too much to gimmicks like the cockpit detaching instead of giving it a bit more room inside (especially a ship of that size).

[Gryphon Ink]

TheWarden, on 29 December 2010 - 03:00 AM, said:

Neat set, though I do have to ask the more knowledgeable (or inventive) persons out there... is there any advantages, (tactical, space-oriented, construction, etc.) to have wings that can be rotated to a vertical position in a spacecraft?

I'm a sci-fi builder myself, but drawing a blank here.

I'm drawing a blank myself, but then again, is there any advantage to having the original X-Wing's wings separate to an X configuration in combat situations?  Or for it even having wings, since they are completely non-aerodynamic and have no flight control surfaces?  Or for having droids pilot droid ships and control droid weapons?  And don't even get me started on the impracticality of AT-ATs.  It's Star Wars.  It's completely full of ships that do nonsensical things for the sole purpose of looking cool.  This is why I enjoy Star Wars, but don't classify it as science fiction.  Yes, I know this is heresy to most SW fans, but you'll get the same answer from just about anybody who reads a lot of real science fiction.

Regarding the Jedi Shuttle itself, I dig the rotating wings even though it' nonsense - but if the wings are going to be vertical most of the time, I think the "bottom" of the wing should look a lot better than it does in this model.

[Brickdoctor]

Gryphon Ink, on 31 December 2010 - 07:20 AM, said:

I'm drawing a blank myself, but then again, is there any advantage to having the original X-Wing's wings separate to an X configuration in combat situations?  Or for it even having wings, since they are completely non-aerodynamic and have no flight control surfaces?  Or for having droids pilot droid ships and control droid weapons?  And don't even get me started on the impracticality of AT-ATs.  It's Star Wars.  It's completely full of ships that do nonsensical things for the sole purpose of looking cool.  This is why I enjoy Star Wars, but don't classify it as science fiction.  Yes, I know this is heresy to most SW fans, but you'll get the same answer from just about anybody who reads a lot of real science fiction.

Regarding the Jedi Shuttle itself, I dig the rotating wings even though it' nonsense - but if the wings are going to be vertical most of the time, I think the "bottom" of the wing should look a lot better than it does in this model.

I think I remember reading the X-wing splits its wings to increase surface area and allow the engines to cool faster, enabling them to stay at attack speed for extended periods of time. The AT-AT was designed to intimidate and as a troop transport, not as an all-around tank. AT-STs are normally deployed to cover the larger walker's bottom and rear areas, and anything big enough to take on the scout walkers normally can't get past an advancing battle line of AT-ATs. As for the T-6, the wings would have to rotate for it to land on its belly.

[DarthPineapple]

Brickdoctor, on 31 December 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

I think I remember reading the X-wing splits its wings to increase surface area and allow the engines to cool faster, enabling them to stay at attack speed for extended periods of time. The AT-AT was designed to intimidate and as a troop transport, not as an all-around tank. AT-STs are normally deployed to cover the larger walker's bottom and rear areas, and anything big enough to take on the scout walkers normally can't get past an advancing battle line of AT-ATs. As for the T-6, the wings would have to rotate for it to land on its belly.

That is correct, here's a quote from SW the visual dictionary about the AT-AT: "These gigantic machines are used as terror weapons. Their powerful walking controls can only be operated by pilots of great physical strenth. Until the Battle of Hoth, AT-ATs were widely regarded as invincible in combat, and there mere appearance was often enough to drive enemy forces into fearful retreat."
Same goes for the Death Star, there's no point in having such a slow enormous space station, except for it's ability to destroy planets. Also from the dictionary, about Tarkin: "The Imperial Outlands contains systems too scattered to police effectively, but the fear of the Death Star will subjugate systems across the galaxy."

[Gryphon Ink]

I don't mean to deface an icon, and it's certainly possible to enjoy things that don't make any sense, but the fact is that AT-ATs don't make any sense even in the context of Star Wars, much less in real-world military logic.  Why would you build a terror machine or warship that walks on elongated, giraffelike legs that make it easy to knock over, when you have so many better means of locomotion? SW has repulsor technologies, seen in every movie since ANH, that would do the job better and give the craft a better combat profile. In the real world, we have wheeled and tracked vehicles that are far less vulnerable.

The AT-AT is basically the SW version of a tank, and you don't build tanks as tall as possible. You build them squat, so you get a wide base for stability and a less visible profile. Even in the SW universe, the PT version of the AT-AT - whatever you call that long vehicle with six legs - is a far more realistic combat vehicle.

I get that it's SW canon, but there's no realistic way AT-ATs could ever be thought invincible. They have clear and obvious weaknesses, as shown by the fact that a whole group of them suffers major losses in the Battle of Hoth - beaten by towing cables and a guy with a lightsaber and a grenade! Eventually they do accomplish part of the mission, destroying the rebel's generators, but not without heavy losses and not before almost all of the key Rebel personnel are evacuated.  That's pretty much complete failure in real military terms. The real version of Darth Vader wouldn't kill Admiral Piett (or whoever it was that bungled the invasion) - he'd be ordering a complete redesign of the AT-AT, rethinking Imperial military doctrine from the ground up, and sending that whole division of ground troops for six months of intensive training.

[Brickdoctor]

That would be Admiral Ozzel who 'brought the fleet out of hyperspace too close to the system.' Repulsorlifts aren't as reliable as legs because they can be subject to gravity well generators that render them stationary. And wheels can't step over a 10' high wall. Anyways, it doesn't have to make sense, it just has to 'break the enemy before it engages them.'

This is getting off topic, so we'd better stop.

[BrickArtist]

KielDaMan, on 29 December 2010 - 06:14 AM, said:

With all due respect to our Iktotchi Jedi Master, I think people are forgetting the fact that Seasee is not the most handsome jedi around.

That pic made me jump! Scared the megablocks out of me!     

Did anybody else get the new lego catalog and notice that the top of Shaak Tis headgear isn't shown in the pic? Pg. 49.

How did an AT-AT conversation even start??  

[Walter Kovacs]

I have a question about how the wings rotate.  Is there anything to make them stop at 90 degrees?  Or even at 0 degrees when in landing mode?  I know the new V-wing has stops for it's wings, but I don't see any here.  

Also, do the wings turn by "the hand of God", or is their a gear mechanism somewhere on the back of teh ship that you turn to rotate the wing?  

If it wasn't for Shaak Ti and Saessee Tiin, I wouldn't even give this set a second look, from what I've seen.  There was a lot of potential in this set, and it just falls flat in my eyes.

[OneSnowTrooper]

Thanks for the review!

Not my thing this set but Shaak Ti is super,  not worth to buy the set so I bought the MF on ebay.

[Cad Bane]

Great Review! Love this set. The colors, the shape... It's unfortunate that they didn't pattern the underside as the ship is meant to spin (displaying both sides). Hopefully some will provide an easy solution to the cockpit problem. It's really supposed to fit four people and it should. If not, then I'll have to figure it out myself when I get it.
On another note, can Shaak Ti sit down (in a chair or on the ground)? It doesn't look like she can, it would appear that her (not sure what to call them) head-tail-things stretch below the waist.
Thanks,

-Cad Bane

[Lego-Freak]

Thanks for the review!  

I got this set too and I really like I have to say even though I would have prefered dark red parts over the red ones we got instead. The new minifigs are truly stunning, but unfortunately the Shaak Ti minifig I got looks terribly garbled  

I mean, feast your eyes on this:



That should be enough nightmare fuel for the next two weeks